Squeaks, rattles and noises.

[Schmingie]

I have found my Yaris to have lots of rattles and noises from the interior.

The glove box was rattling - sounding like it was coming from the a-pillar. I still have rattling from the back somewhere, in the dash somewhere and both front doors.

Anyone else experiencing this?

You would figure working at a dealer this would be looked after, but as an employee my car always comes in last and its tough to get it in to be looked at.

S.

[Ziv]

strange, my Yaris goes softly as a cloud, unless of courze, if I am goin' over 3500rpm.... I would suggest you bring it back for a check up.

[why?]

Are the rattles happening all of the time, or only certain times? Like maybe at certain speeds?

[Polar_Yaris]

My instrument cluster rattles like crazy when the car is moving!! Only has 3000km!! It is driving me crazy...

[yariman]

Should'nt rattle at all Schminqie, give em sh--! Tell em to treat you better or you'll go to the garage across the street LOL.:wink:

[Schmingie]

LOL - hehe thinking of quiting so that I can just be aregular customer - it will get looked after then.

S.

[as400g33k]

had ours for about 3 months now. no problems whatsoever. you should have yours looked at.

[echo_hrs]

I have found my Yaris to have lots of rattles and noises from the interior.

The glove box was rattling - sounding like it was coming from the a-pillar. I still have rattling from the back somewhere, in the dash somewhere and both front doors.

Anyone else experiencing this?

You would figure working at a dealer this would be looked after, but as an employee my car always comes in last and its tough to get it in to be looked at.

S.

If there's a rattle in the back, check the sub-floor in the hatch, my RS wheel lock socket was bouncing around in the tray...

If you have stuff in the bins/gloveboxes, then they will bounce around...

[paco]

Eeek! My 2002 Cooper is a rattle-king... and the local MINI dealerships do not really care about rattles unfortunately.

I am thinking about a switch to the Yaris, but rattles are driving me crazy... especially on a brand new car! :(

As a positive note, the demo car was super quiet during my test drive (at least compared to my current car)!

I think you should have them look at it!


--
paco

[swng]

My RS is not completely free from squeaks and rattles but fortunately they happen only on rough road surfaces and are at an acceptable level.

[GabL]

I found rattling from my dash as well, and when I was starting up, heard some resonance noise (metal noise) from the back as well, everything was tied up, and I check the spare tire area, nothing should be moving. Probably is something outside the car. Brought it back to the dealership, and the technician said it's a Yaris, don't expect the quietness in Camry or higher class cars... ... :thumbdown:

[swng]

This morning I discovered that when I engaged the reverse gear, there was a low level rattle of some kind, sounding like some metallic part was vibrating because of lack of proper harnessing/cushioning. It did not appear to be important. I will mention it to the dealership when the car is due for service.

[echo_hrs]

Another contributor to rattles is if you have upgraded to larger (16-17") aftermarket alloys with low profile tires...

[as400g33k]

I found rattling from my dash as well, and when I was starting up, heard some resonance noise (metal noise) from the back as well, everything was tied up, and I check the spare tire area, nothing should be moving. Probably is something outside the car. Brought it back to the dealership, and the technician said it's a Yaris, don't expect the quietness in Camry or higher class cars... ... :thumbdown:

thats :bs: , man... have no problems with noise on ours and we've had ours for 3 months now. to illustrate the problem to the technician, have him ride both your dealer's demo car and yours. I doubt the dealer demo car will also have those rattles.

a car is the 2nd most expensive thing (next to a house) that a person will buy in his lifetime.

even if its not a camry, you have the right to get 100% satisfaction from your purchase.

[GabL]

This morning I discovered that when I engaged the reverse gear, there was a low level rattle of some kind, sounding like some metallic part was vibrating because of lack of proper harnessing/cushioning. It did not appear to be important. I will mention it to the dealership when the car is due for service.

I have the same rattle with mine, it seems to come from under the car, strange. I assume that's from the heat shield around the muffler or stuff making the noise.

[GabL]

thats :bs: , man... have no problems with noise on ours and we've had ours for 3 months now. to illustrate the problem to the technician, have him ride both your dealer's demo car and yours. I doubt the dealer demo car will also have those rattles.

a car is the 2nd most expensive thing (next to a house) that a person will buy in his lifetime.

even if its not a camry, you have the right to get 100% satisfaction from your purchase.

Well, I did have a 10 mins drive with the technician, and that's what he said to me. He said what he heard is normal... blah blah blah... :mad:

[Ziv]

Yo, which dealer did you went to in Toronto?

[as400g33k]

time to lay the smackdown on that dealership. get a 2nd opinion on a different service center. if they confirm that it is a default, bring it up with your service station manager, then to your dealer manager then to toyota canada customer service.

never give up!

[GabL]

I went to Richmond Hill Toyota...

But strangely, some of the rattling were gone after a while, I guess it takes time for the compenents to settle down to their place? :iono:

However, when I start running the car, there are still some noise coming from the back, tried removing all the stuff at the back including those in the spare tire area, still happening...

I'll try again at another dealership, but it really takes time! :biggrin:

[Ziv]

I went to Richmond Hill Toyota...

But strangely, some of the rattling were gone after a while, I guess it takes time for the compenents to settle down to their place? :iono:

However, when I start running the car, there are still some noise coming from the back, tried removing all the stuff at the back including those in the spare tire area, still happening...

I'll try again at another dealership, but it really takes time! :biggrin:

Really? ha ha. I brought mine in Richmond Hill Toyota also. I have yet to encounter any problem with my Yaris yet. At least not any strange noise.

[Ziv]

and oh yeah, if you were gonna try another dealer, try don valley, I heard they have pretty good service.

[GabL]

and oh yeah, if you were gonna try another dealer, try don valley, I heard they have pretty good service.

Well, I have heard something opposite! haha!! My co-worker brought his Corolla there for service, and he has rattling at his dash as well. Don Valley claimed they have changed the dash for him, but apparently it's still the same dash. DV just invoice that to Toyota Canada and get the $$ out of it without actually changing the dash...

But I had my Camry service there before I sold it, didn't have any problem with them.

[Ziv]

Well, I have heard something opposite! haha!! My co-worker brought his Corolla there for service, and he has rattling at his dash as well. Don Valley claimed they have changed the dash for him, but apparently it's still the same dash. DV just invoice that to Toyota Canada and get the $$ out of it without actually changing the dash...

But I had my Camry service there before I sold it, didn't have any problem with them.

Serious? damn. It's a good things there is tons of people out there do service instead of just goin' back to the dealer. ha ha.

[GabL]

Well, I guess every dealer is just the same! haha!! That's where the dealership gets the $$, they can sell you the car with $100 profit, all they want is your service business.

[swng]

I have the same rattle with mine, it seems to come from under the car, strange. I assume that's from the heat shield around the muffler or stuff making the noise.

Thanks for the response. When I bring the car to the dealership for service, I will mention to them your observations.

[GabL]

Thanks for the response. When I bring the car to the dealership for service, I will mention to them your observations.

Actually I think you should just let them figure where is the problem.

When you tell them what's wrong, they will only look into that particular area. And if nothing is wrong there, they'll tell you that's the way it is. Just tell them there is rattle and let them figure! :wink:

[Ziv]

Oh yeah, by the way, GabL, I went back to the Richmond Hill Toyota yesterday. One of their guy said we should get somethin' from the mail about a NEW user guide or we might even have to bring the Yaris back for some minor shit, they said since it's new, we might have to bring it back. Not sure when or what it's about yet.

[GabL]

New user guide? That doesn't sound too bad.

But bringing back the car sounds bad, that's a recall... no wonder they stopped production for '06 and rolling out '07 models in Feb 2006 while the car was just on the market for 4 months...

I actually brought the car back to dealer a month after delivery as the keyless entry is not working, they have to re-program it...

[Ziv]

o well, i guess we'll have to see what happen, so far I have no problem with mine yet, other than passager door won't unlock during the coldest day here.

[swng]

Actually I think you should just let them figure where is the problem.

When you tell them what's wrong, they will only look into that particular area. And if nothing is wrong there, they'll tell you that's the way it is. Just tell them there is rattle and let them figure! :wink:

Thank you. I agree and will do just as you suggested.

[swng]

New user guide? That doesn't sound too bad.

But bringing back the car sounds bad, that's a recall... no wonder they stopped production for '06 and rolling out '07 models in Feb 2006 while the car was just on the market for 4 months...

I actually brought the car back to dealer a month after delivery as the keyless entry is not working, they have to re-program it...

Unfortunately recalls happen all the time and that is bad. Even the Echo, which in effect is the last generation Yaris, has been subjected to recalls in the past. I hope the coming one(if there is one) for the Yaris will not be for a serious problem.

[Polar_Yaris]

Rattles are not as annoying as my car, hums at speed 90km/h and up.....I will get the dealer to look at it tomorrow......

And the engine bay has some rattling noise when I have the brakes press and it's in reverse ....auto tranny

[swng]

My sympathy! Please keep us posted.

[Schmingie]

There is a TSB ( technical service bulleting ) out for automatic vehicles that have a rattle from the engine bay. There is an A/C line that is rattling against the fire wall and needs to be moved.

S.

[Ziv]

blah, guess it happen to all new model of cars......

[hhcchen]

look at these rattling complaints...
i started to feel that if yaris is quality built or...
could it be they water down some noise insulation to keep things cheap...?
this questions have to ask the Japanese vitz owners on board...
see if they also notice rattles and vibrations...:iono:

[kralmrax]

keep me updated if anyone finds out the cause of the rattling of an automatic yaris in reverse, my yaris has less than 2000km on it but rattles like a mofo when in reverse . . . . . like a splinter underneath the fingernail . . . . . .

[Polar_Yaris]

Okay guys, just came back from service. Rattling noise is from "poor fit of a/t cable bracket at firewall" Fixed by "insulated bracket with silencer kit"....well one thing fixed.
The humming at hwy speed...the technician said it might be the resonance from the engine and the exhaust system, however, there was not much he can do now unless there are more ppl making the complaint and toyota will issue a service recall or something.......

WELL I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD GET THEIR YARIS ON HWY SPEED TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM

[swng]

Thanks for the info. Has the dealer explained why the rattle occurred only when the car was in reverse gear?
As for humming at highway speed, I have not noticed any yet but I will pay more attention from now on. If I hear any, I will let you know. The car is not too quiet on highway anyway.

[Polar_Yaris]

Swng, well...they just said the cable is knid of routed in less than perfect position......the humming is very noticeable when cruising at hwy speed you can even feel the vibration on the steering wheel.......:frown:

[yariman]

With my stock tires/wheels I have no problems at highway or any speeds. I have a little vibration going onto the highway when my Toyos are cold which quickly disappears.

[swng]

Swng, well...they just said the cable is knid of routed in less than perfect position......the humming is very noticeable when cruising at hwy speed you can even feel the vibration on the steering wheel.......:frown:

I will pay attention to the steering wheel and let you know my observation in due course. May take a week or so. Really no impression right now about the hum and vibration described by you. My car was delivered in mid-Oct 05. May be the problem had been dealt with before it was delivered.

[swng]

I drove about 45kms on highway yesterday and did not notice any unusual humming noise. There were no abnormal vibrations at the steering wheel too. I am beginning to feel lucky.
NB-I had my windows closed and tire pressure was at 33 lbs psi all around.

[GabL]

The humming at hwy speed...the technician said it might be the resonance from the engine and the exhaust system, however, there was not much he can do now unless there are more ppl making the complaint and toyota will issue a service recall or something.......

WELL I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD GET THEIR YARIS ON HWY SPEED TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM

hmm... I tried running around 100-120 km/h on the hwy during the weekend, didn't notice the hmm...ing noise? I just heard the wind noise and the normal engine sound...

[GabL]

Did anyone else bring their vehicle back to the dealer for the noise while reversing problem? I'm wondering, if I mentioned to the service rep about "hearing some rattling from the front when I put into reverse gear", will they know immediately there's a TSB out there for this? I don't want them to say "it's normal for a Yaris, you shouldn't expect Camry quality there..." blah blah blah...

Thanks!

[Ziv]

Dammit, after roughly 2100 clicks my Yaris start making noise that it have not before. I have no idea why, could have been the freezing rain last week. Gotta bring back to shop for check tonight.
Noise such as:
apply breaks -- like marbles juggling
front glove department -- ticking noise
gear change -- clicking noise that WAS NOT there before..
however, i did not hear anything 'unusual' for reverse.

[GabL]

Actually I have one new squeak noise to add to the list...

Last night it was very cold in Toronto, and I set the fan to level 2, and I was in a plaza's parking lot waiting for parking. Then I heard some squeezing noise like those you found on old beat up cars, I did not notice that was from my car. Then after a while I finally figured the noise is actually from my car, then I turn off the fan and then back on again, the noise is gone. Wondering if the fan motor needs some oil already?

[p2filz]

it seems to be a common prob with all small engines... not sure why myself but im guessing its the revving of the engine since only one cylinder is goin through its pwer stroke at a time my truck (2.4L) does it too it must be the number of cylinders thats why motorcycles have such high and sometimes vicious shaking even at higher revvs

[yariman]

Keep an eye, or ear on it GabL and get to the dealer.

[why?]

Actually I have one new squeak noise to add to the list...

Last night it was very cold in Toronto, and I set the fan to level 2, and I was in a plaza's parking lot waiting for parking. Then I heard some squeezing noise like those you found on old beat up cars, I did not notice that was from my car. Then after a while I finally figured the noise is actually from my car, then I turn off the fan and then back on again, the noise is gone. Wondering if the fan motor needs some oil already?

From the description it sounds like it might be the fan belt getting itself out of place.

[GabL]

Keep an eye, or ear on it GabL and get to the dealer.

Yeah, it will be in the dealership next week! I'll keep you guys posted on what's going on.

[AutoTech1]

I have found my Yaris to have lots of rattles and noises from the interior.

The glove box was rattling - sounding like it was coming from the a-pillar. I still have rattling from the back somewhere, in the dash somewhere and both front doors.

Anyone else experiencing this?

You would figure working at a dealer this would be looked after, but as an employee my car always comes in last and its tough to get it in to be looked at.

S.

Tell them how crappy of a job they are doing. :laugh: Allright... So don't say that... But hey... This is one of those things where I say "You get what you pay for." That's the only explanation for that, that I can think of. Manufacturers are thinking "The bang for the buck." When most people look at a car they consider looks... They don't really care how things work... And manufacturers know this stuff... If it looks cool, it has to be awesome, right? Cars and the materials that they are being made of aren't so strong as compared to the vehicles in the past, though they make them look all nice... There are bound to be few a rattles from that stuff inside... No big deal... As long as it doesn't sound like you whole cars is going to fall apart... Toyota seems to be one of the companies that uses slightly better materials in their cars than it's competitors, so it could be worse... And remember... This is one of the cheaper cars on this side of the spectrum... That's not to say it's no good, but it sure isn't a Lexus.:wink: And the car is also breaking itself in... It's brand new... It has to get use to running, so noises you never heard before, are going to appear... As long as they aren't out of the orindary... Don't second guess yourself though... If it sounds bad, take it in.

[swng]

Yes, I agree. At this price, a little rattle and harshness should be expected. However, I will check out with other members first to see if they have the same kind of problems before I decide whether to take any action. If they don't, I will be more concerned. It is wonderful to be able to "listen" to different views from different members on this forum.

[yariman]

Sorry gang but I disagree! Yes it is the cheapest Toyota but it still is a Toyota, in my opinion one of the best built cars in the world. It still costs 20K all said and done and there better not be anything wrong with it! Including squeaks and rattles. If a dealer hopes that he can brush people off with an excuse, well there just are no excuses for a new car under warranty! My Yaris is solid as a rock and if it wasn't there would be sh-t to pay!

[as400g33k]

The idea of 'getting what you paid for' doesnt sit well with me. As a paying consumer, I expect to get satisfaction from any purchase that I make, be it $1 or $1,000,000.00.

And for the record, we've had our yaris since nov05. Now nearly 2k kms later, and it has give us no problems at all.

[swng]

Let me make myself clear if I have not. I will not ask for a Lexus when I pay for a Yaris. But a Yaris is not cheap. I have come across claims that a well equipped Yaris costs not much less than a similarly equipped Corolla. Needless to say such a Yaris is more expensive than some cars of the same class by a significant margin. So, when I pay for a Toyota, I expect to get Toyota quality. I will accept small imperfections such as a little rattle or harshness if other people's Yarises are not free from them in one way or another. This should be a good way to determine whether I have had a fair deal. Here is where "you get what you pay for" comes in and that is what I can agree to. A Yaris is never meant to be a perfect car, but it should be quite good, if not excellent. However, if after I have checked out in this and other forums that I am the only one having a particular problem, I will not feel guilty bringing my car back to the dealership to ask for a solution. I like rational discussions with fellow members and I have encountered many nice fellow members this far:smile:.

[AutoTech1]

The idea of 'getting what you paid for' doesnt sit well with me. As a paying consumer, I expect to get satisfaction from any purchase that I make, be it $1 or $1,000,000.00.

And for the record, we've had our yaris since nov05. Now nearly 2k kms later, and it has give us no problems at all.

Just expect to get what you pay for and in todays market's where manufacturers are watering down their offerings even more, you shouldn't be too surprised...

[why?]

When buying a brand new car what you should get is a car that is well packaged and squeak and rattle free. There is no excuse, especially when the model and chassis are brand new.

[SmellyTofu]

The idea of 'getting what you paid for' doesnt sit well with me. As a paying consumer, I expect to get satisfaction from any purchase that I make, be it $1 or $1,000,000.00.

And for the record, we've had our yaris since nov05. Now nearly 2k kms later, and it has give us no problems at all.

So it's OK for a $20k Lexus to produce rattles yet a $20k Yaris is not? Ever been to the markets and bought a big box of oranges for $5 and get a few rotten ones at the bottom? Are you going to go back and complain and demand they give you the most sweetest and juiciest the earth has ever grown out of the ground picked out of the ground by Miss Universe? Go catch a Qantas plane and expect them to give you a 5 star meal and a bed on the plane? I got a sausage roll for dinner on a Virgin Atlantic flight but I paid a reasonable price for it but did that mean that there was problems?? I got what I paid for... if I wanted a good meal, I would have travelled business class. Same goes for your salary. If a job paid peanuts, of course you're going to attract monkeys rather than someone that has relevant experience and qualifications. You get what you paid for. If I cut your salary to $20k, you're not going to do as good of a job as you would if I paid $100k (ceteris parabus - all things being equal)?

Go check out the last Wheels magazine and see what was on offer 10 years ago for $20k brand new. Also think of how much easier it is to buy a $20k car compared to 10 years ago.

Come back to reality. You DO get what you paid for. That's not to say you get crap but it's at an acceptable level that you won't get in many other manufacturer for the same price.

[OKJeeper]

What you SHOULD get when you buy a car in this price range is a decent small car. They skimp on a lot of things to get the car to this price like features, they keep the design fairly simple, they skimp on sound deadening, smaller engines, smaller wheels and tires, etc. That doesn't mean that the car should be a rattle box. They still have to be responsible for designing the car so that it doesn't shake itself apart. If I have a rattle that I can't fix myself you better believe I'm going to be at the dealership making them fix it.

[Polar_Yaris]

The Yaris is priced above the competitors in its class. Even a Cobalt, Accent...doesn't make that kind of noise...well, I'm just comparing orange to orange. I work for a rental car company and I drove a lot of inexpensive cars. You don't need to expect less from an expensive car.

[jcove]

:eek: I guess I'm lucky. My baby doesn't have any squeaks or rattles, unless I put things in the glove compartment. Sorry to hear that some of you are having problems.

[as400g33k]

So it's OK for a $20k Lexus to produce rattles yet a $20k Yaris is not?

Funny, I said nothing of the sort nor implied in any of my posts. What I am trying to say is that you should get satisfaction on your purchase.

Ever been to the markets and bought a big box of oranges for $5 and get a few rotten ones at the bottom? Are you going to go back and complain and demand they give you the most sweetest and juiciest the earth has ever grown out of the ground picked out of the ground by Miss Universe?.

I couldn't care less if it was picked by a Miss Universe or a backpacker nor do I care if its the most sweetest and juicest on the planet. What I do expect is for it to be rotten-free. What? I can't go to the grocer and say nicely: 'Dude, I got a couple of bad ones from the bunch you sold me. Could you do something about it?' What do you think the grocer would say? Probably something like: ' Sorry about that mate. Here's a couple for those rotten ones.'

Go catch a Qantas plane and expect them to give you a 5 star meal and a bed on the plane? I got a sausage roll for dinner on a Virgin Atlantic flight but I paid a reasonable price for it but did that mean that there was problems?? I got what I paid for... if I wanted a good meal, I would have travelled business class.

If Qantas advertised a 5-star meal, a bed, a foot rub and free drinks for $99 and I bought a ticket and got none of those, would I complain? Hell, yes! Wouldn't you? If a B&B inn advertised a room with a spa, king-sized bed, airconditioning and spectacular views and you go and paid for one and got instead a room with no windows, a broken bed and a smelly airconditioner, would you complain?

Same goes for your salary. If a job paid peanuts, of course you're going to attract monkeys rather than someone that has relevant experience and qualifications. You get what you paid for. If I cut your salary to $20k, you're not going to do as good of a job as you would if I paid $100k (ceteris parabus - all things being equal)?

Go check out the last Wheels magazine and see what was on offer 10 years ago for $20k brand new. Also think of how much easier it is to buy a $20k car compared to 10 years ago.

Come back to reality. You DO get what you paid for. That's not to say you get crap but it's at an acceptable level that you won't get in many other manufacturer for the same price.

I am in reality. I expect to get what I paid for, nothing less. If I paid for a product, I expect the product to be free from defects or faults and to contain the features that was advertised for it. In short, I expect a fair trade.

I'm confused though. If there are squeeks, rattles or noises from your brand new car that you find out that is not on other brand new cars of the same make and brand, isn't there obviously something wrong with it? Maybe a fault or a defect? Shouldn't you complain? Or should you just bear it and suffer it for its entire life and be not satisfied with it when others are?

Since you are fond of examples, how about this: Say you bought a no-name brand widescreen plasma tv worth about $2000 from K-Mart and found there is a permanent horizontal white line across the screen. When you tried to return it, they tell you: 'Sorry we can't replace it since its a no-name cheap brand. You should expect defects on its since it is cheap. If you wanted something without defects, you should've bought a Sony or a Pioneer.'

I wonder what you will do...

[SmellyTofu]

You got a new Yaris with airbags, ABS, nice looks and it didn't deliver?

Sony? a good brand? ever heard of the PSP? Anyway, even if I did consider a no-name brand or even a name brand for that matter, if I paid pittens for it, I'd expect it to fall apart on me very soon and hope that some other poor bugger falls apart before mine does. You don't expect a Yaris for $5k would be better than one that cost $20k (ceteris parabus).

[as400g33k]

Apparently, we have different values when it comes to fair trade. We'll just leave it at that.

And yes, I have heard of the PSP. I have also heard of the psOne, PS2, PS3, Trinitron, Walkman, and the Bravia. What does that have to do with this? Wait, are you trying to imply that all Sony products are crap because of the PSP? Ok. I don't see how that helps your point though.

Since most consumer goods have mandatory warranties nowadays, I will return a defective product to the seller/maker if it broke down within its warranty period. If not, then tough luck, chuck it in the bin and buy a new one.

And yes, I will return a crap PSP if it breaks down (through no fault of my own) within its warranty period.

[SmellyTofu]

At the end of the day, a car is a commodity. The closer you feel attached to it coz of little things you can solve yourself, the more it runs your life rather than the other way around. Life still goes on.

[Polar_Yaris]

At the end of the day, a car is a commodity. The closer you feel attached to it coz of little things you can solve yourself, the more it runs your life rather than the other way around. Life still goes on.

One can take it easy at everything but anything should have a standard.

[swng]

Yes, and Toyota's standard is usually quite high........

[AutoTech1]

Yes, I agree. At this price, a little rattle and harshness should be expected. However, I will check out with other members first to see if they have the same kind of problems before I decide whether to take any action. If they don't, I will be more concerned. It is wonderful to be able to "listen" to different views from different members on this forum.

This vehicle is going to be very good with materials. I am a litte confused though... Are we talking about the hatch starting at around 10k or the sedan toping out at 13 give or take some? Where do you even get 20K out of that whole deal? Are you in a differnt country? As for USM (United States Market) even though the car will start at 10 or so, the materials in it are upscale looking... That's Toyota for you.:smile: I'm going to say it one more time. More affordable car on the spectrum... Bound to be some rattle. But even though this is said, the car (when driven at highway speeds) shouldn't suffer to much from noise outside, except for tire and engine noise. It's pretty good on stopping outside noises from intruding as well as having good materials on the inside for this price.:wink:

[AutoTech1]

Apparently, we have different values when it comes to fair trade. We'll just leave it at that.

And yes, I have heard of the PSP. I have also heard of the psOne, PS2, PS3, Trinitron, Walkman, and the Bravia. What does that have to do with this? Wait, are you trying to imply that all Sony products are crap because of the PSP? Ok. I don't see how that helps your point though.

Since most consumer goods have mandatory warranties nowadays, I will return a defective product to the seller/maker if it broke down within its warranty period. If not, then tough luck, chuck it in the bin and buy a new one.

And yes, I will return a crap PSP if it breaks down (through no fault of my own) within its warranty period.

Hey... The PSP is actually quite good... Though I also don't see what this has to do with that.:biggrin:

[swng]

This vehicle is going to be very good with materials. I am a litte confused though... Are we talking about the hatch starting at around 10k or the sedan toping out at 13 give or take some? Where do you even get 20K out of that whole deal? Are you in a differnt country? As for USM (United States Market) even though the car will start at 10 or so, the materials in it are upscale looking... That's Toyota for you.:smile: I'm going to say it one more time. More affordable car on the spectrum... Bound to be some rattle. But even though this is said, the car (when driven at highway speeds) shouldn't suffer to much from noise outside, except for tire and engine noise. It's pretty good on stopping outside noises from intruding as well as having good materials on the inside for this price.:wink:

I am in B.C.,Canada(see left) and I have paid more than 20k(Canadian) for my car(I have optional features on it). In the first few sentences of my post which you have quoted, I already said that I would accept a little rattle or harshness. However, if after checking out with fellow Yaris owners, I find out that I am the only sufferer of a particular problem, I will liaise with the dealership to see if the problem can be fixed. That stand should probably also be many fellow members' bottom line and is very reasonable, and that is one of the reasons why so many of us join this forum.
Although disagreement is not always a bad thing, we are in fact not in any big disagreement:wink:.

[jcove]

You got a new Yaris with airbags, ABS, nice looks and it didn't deliver?

Sony? a good brand? ever heard of the PSP? Anyway, even if I did consider a no-name brand or even a name brand for that matter, if I paid pittens for it, I'd expect it to fall apart on me very soon and hope that some other poor bugger falls apart before mine does. You don't expect a Yaris for $5k would be better than one that cost $20k (ceteris parabus).

Here's my experiance. If you bought a Focus or Cavalier ( I guess it's called a Cobalt now) and you heard rattles, then you got what you paid for. I totally agree that if there are rattles in the Yaris you have, then go back to the dealer and demand that they do something. The Toyota standard for suppliers is much higher than most of the "Domestic" brands. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to go in screaming, just keep cool and see if they handle it reasonably. If not, then take it up a step, talk to the sales person's manager. If that still doesn't help take it up a notch again, up to Toyota Canada if neccesary. I don't feel that if you've purchased something brand new that you should feel you need to put up with something like that. My Yaris is very solid. I purchased the 2dr LE. Paid less than 20K, but I still would have complained if my brand new car was sqeaking and rattling. Remember, squeaky wheel gets the grease. Good news travels fast, but bad news travels faster. Just remind them of that.

[Speedz]

I totally agree !!!

My car also currently suffering from irritating rattle at the back...

Still yet to be determine where the noise are coming from...

[AutoTech1]

The Yaris is priced above the competitors in its class. Even a Cobalt, Accent...doesn't make that kind of noise...well, I'm just comparing orange to orange. I work for a rental car company and I drove a lot of inexpensive cars. You don't need to expect less from an expensive car.

I'm sorry, but for someone who works for a car rental company that's all you do... You work for a car rental company... You obviously don't know much about cars. And if you're talking about some other country, I'm talking about the ones that are coming to the USDM... So you probably aren't following what I'm saying correctly.

[AutoTech1]

I am in reality. I expect to get what I paid for, nothing less. If I paid for a product, I expect the product to be free from defects or faults and to contain the features that was advertised for it. In short, I expect a fair trade.

I'm confused though. If there are squeeks, rattles or noises from your brand new car that you find out that is not on other brand new cars of the same make and brand, isn't there obviously something wrong with it? Maybe a fault or a defect? Shouldn't you complain? Or should you just bear it and suffer it for its entire life and be not satisfied with it when others are?

Since you are fond of examples, how about this: Say you bought a no-name brand widescreen plasma tv worth about $2000 from K-Mart and found there is a permanent horizontal white line across the screen. When you tried to return it, they tell you: 'Sorry we can't replace it since its a no-name cheap brand. You should expect defects on its since it is cheap. If you wanted something without defects, you should've bought a Sony or a Pioneer.'

I wonder what you will do...

I don't quite understand if you're agreeing with me or against me... What I'm saying is this though:

OK. Let's say you have two game systems... Both are handheld. One is a poker game that cost lets say three bucks. This stands for the Yaris. The other handheld system is the PSP starting at 249.00. This stands for a Lexus. Which one do you think is better? Hmmmm? Which one will satisfy you more? Which one do you think will last longer (not including if you dropped it). There goes my point that I'm trying to get across. If you pay 10k for a car, it's going to be cheaper. And cheaper means rattles... Not as good materials... There ya go.

[AutoTech1]

I am in B.C.,Canada(see left) and I have paid more than 20k(Canadian) for my car(I have optional features on it). In the first few sentences of my post which you have quoted, I already said that I would accept a little rattle or harshness. However, if after checking out with fellow Yaris owners, I find out that I am the only sufferer of a particular problem, I will liaise with the dealership to see if the problem can be fixed. That stand should probably also be many fellow members' bottom line and is very reasonable, and that is one of the reasons why so many of us join this forum.
Although disagreement is not always a bad thing, we are in fact not in any big disagreement:wink:.

Yes. I totally understand you.:wink: It's just ridiculous... It's kind of like beating a dead horse. It's not going anywhere. People always want more and want to pay less, like here for example... That doesn't happen, and that's the point I'm trying to get across. Expect some rattles is all I'm saying. If you really don't want to worry about rattles, go buy a 40 thousand dollar car and stop the damn complaining.

[why?]

Wow, you have problems.

NO brand new car should have ANY rattles or squeaks or noises.

Car manufacturers spend hundreds of millions developing new models, they do not want there brand new state of the art vehicles making noises they should not.

The Yaris is a brand new model in every sense of the word. If there is any squeaks or rattles there is a problem.

If you want to buy a low quality car, go buy a chinese one. When I buy a Toyota I expect a high quality car no matter what the price point is.

[swng]

Yes. I totally understand you.:wink: It's just ridiculous... It's kind of like beating a dead horse. It's not going anywhere. People always want more and want to pay less, like here for example... That doesn't happen, and that's the point I'm trying to get across. Expect some rattles is all I'm saying. If you really don't want to worry about rattles, go buy a 40 thousand dollar car and stop the damn complaining.
You have made your point and I fully respect your view as well as your right to express it. On this board, all are welcome to express themselves as long as they follow the rules and are friendly and polite to fellow members. Right adminstrators?.
I am not the one who complains about rattles. My car does rattle a little(literally a little) but I think I can put up with that. I, along with some fellow members, have been dicussing with a certain member who had found some rattles on his car which he thought could be abnormal. We are all very civilized and friendly people. We are just rationally dicussing what to do in case we hear some apparently abnormal rattles. Doing nothing is an option but it is up to the member who is having the problem. While friendly suggestions are welcome, here, no one is superior to the others and no one is entitled to tell people what to and what not to do, so I personally have not attempted to do that. Right adminstrators? Since the cars are so new and still under warranty, it is normal and totally acceptable for members to check it out if there is any remedy available.
As for buying a 40k car, I do have bought a Mercedes E-320 4-matic(that has effectively become my second Mercedes) and I am enjoying it. Though it has been heard rattling sometimes, I have been very reasonable in my dealings with the dealership which sold me my car. No car can be completely free from rattles anyway and it would be naive for me even to think that expansive cars do not rattle at all. I have travelled in my friends' Lexus top models and I have heard them rattling in some situations. So, it is only whether it is reasonable under the circumstances when cars are heard to be rattling.

[swng]

Wow, you have problems.

NO brand new car should have ANY rattles or squeaks or noises.

Car manufacturers spend hundreds of millions developing new models, they do not want there brand new state of the art vehicles making noises they should not.

The Yaris is a brand new model in every sense of the word. If there is any squeaks or rattles there is a problem.

If you want to buy a low quality car, go buy a chinese one. When I buy a Toyota I expect a high quality car no matter what the price point is.

Why?, I enjoy reading your posts though I may not agree with you 100% e.g. under the thread for air bags. Views can be correct or incorrect but it is your rational thinking and untiring research that I admire. Let's carry on our discussions with our friendly and unoffensive tradition.

[jcove]

I'm sorry, but for someone who works for a car rental company that's all you do... You work for a car rental company... You obviously don't know much about cars. And if you're talking about some other country, I'm talking about the ones that are coming to the USDM... So you probably aren't following what I'm saying correctly.

:rolleyes: :bs: Easy buddy. Don't offend people. This is just a place to discuss things. This guy could own the rental car company for all you know and his other car could be a BMW. I personally could have afforded more, but the Yaris was what I decided to buy now.

I still stand by my comments that the Yaris is a very solid car, not a cheap "$3 game". I don't agree that ANYONE purchasing a brand new car, be it $15,000 or 150,000, should put up with a problem if it's obvious that it SHOULD NOT rattle. Some members have cars that are making more noise than they should. Most here agree. My car doesn't rattle at all. I took other cars for a test drive before I picked up mine and these didn't have rattles either.

[jcove]

Wow, you have problems.

NO brand new car should have ANY rattles or squeaks or noises.

Car manufacturers spend hundreds of millions developing new models, they do not want there brand new state of the art vehicles making noises they should not.

The Yaris is a brand new model in every sense of the word. If there is any squeaks or rattles there is a problem.

If you want to buy a low quality car, go buy a chinese one. When I buy a Toyota I expect a high quality car no matter what the price point is.

I agree 110% with you on this one. :thumbup:

[swng]

:rolleyes: :bs: Easy buddy. Don't offend people. This is just a place to discuss things. This guy could own the rental car company for all you know and his other car could be a BMW. I personally could have afforded more, but the Yaris was what I decided to buy now.

I still stand by my comments that the Yaris is a very solid car, not a cheap "$3 game". I don't agree that ANYONE purchasing a brand new car, be it $15,000 or 150,000, should put up with a problem if it's obvious that it SHOULD NOT rattle. Some members have cars that are making more noise than they should. Most here agree. My car doesn't rattle at all. I took other cars for a test drive before I picked up mine and these didn't have rattles either.

And I agree with you!

[yariman]

WOW!!

[why?]

rofl.:drinking: :evil:

[AutoTech1]

Wow, you have problems.

NO brand new car should have ANY rattles or squeaks or noises.

Car manufacturers spend hundreds of millions developing new models, they do not want there brand new state of the art vehicles making noises they should not.

The Yaris is a brand new model in every sense of the word. If there is any squeaks or rattles there is a problem.

If you want to buy a low quality car, go buy a chinese one. When I buy a Toyota I expect a high quality car no matter what the price point is.

No. You're wrong. If anyone has a problem, it is definitely you. You have no clue about the word value. But like I said it's no use for me to explain to you, because it's like me beating a dead horse... It still goes no where.

Why don't you grow up and get a life.

[AutoTech1]

:rolleyes: :bs: Easy buddy. Don't offend people. This is just a place to discuss things. This guy could own the rental car company for all you know and his other car could be a BMW. I personally could have afforded more, but the Yaris was what I decided to buy now.

I still stand by my comments that the Yaris is a very solid car, not a cheap "$3 game". I don't agree that ANYONE purchasing a brand new car, be it $15,000 or 150,000, should put up with a problem if it's obvious that it SHOULD NOT rattle. Some members have cars that are making more noise than they should. Most here agree. My car doesn't rattle at all. I took other cars for a test drive before I picked up mine and these didn't have rattles either.

I wasn't implying that the yaris is cheap. I was using the 3 bucks to show how different it is from 249 bucks. That's a big difference, isn't it?

And even if the car is brand new, and it's an 11,000 thousand dollars, I'd still feel safe to say that it's bound to have rattles, whether it's at the beginning of ownership or miles down the road... As for 150,000... It should have no rattles what so ever, but even then, those cars tend to have tiny rattles that you may not notice until you continue to own the vehicle. Cars these days are made of cheaper materials. So what do you expect? Anyone who can't understand that, just shouldn't buy a car. I know we all want to "baby" our cars, but face it already. You can't stop the rattles...

[AutoTech1]

You have made your point and I fully respect your view as well as your right to express it. On this board, all are welcome to express themselves as long as they follow the rules and are friendly and polite to fellow members. Right adminstrators?.
I am not the one who complains about rattles. My car does rattle a little(literally a little) but I think I can put up with that. I, along with some fellow members, have been dicussing with a certain member who had found some rattles on his car which he thought could be abnormal. We are all very civilized and friendly people. We are just rationally dicussing what to do in case we hear some apparently abnormal rattles. Doing nothing is an option but it is up to the member who is having the problem. While friendly suggestions are welcome, here, no one is superior to the others and no one is entitled to tell people what to and what not to do, so I personally have not attempted to do that. Right adminstrators? Since the cars are so new and still under warranty, it is normal and totally acceptable for members to check it out if there is any remedy available.
As for buying a 40k car, I do have bought a Mercedes E-320 4-matic(that has effectively become my second Mercedes) and I am enjoying it. Though it has been heard rattling sometimes, I have been very reasonable in my dealings with the dealership which sold me my car. No car can be completely free from rattles anyway and it would be naive for me even to think that expansive cars do not rattle at all. I have travelled in my friends' Lexus top models and I have heard them rattling in some situations. So, it is only whether it is reasonable under the circumstances when cars are heard to be rattling.

Now. I will admit you are someone who is 100% correct. I agree with you whole heartedly.:wink:

[swng]

Friends, may be the issue is how we approach the problem. If rattles are difficult enough to notice and are not heard often under day to day use, I will call it practically non-existent. This should happen with new and well maintained expansive cars. However, if there are rattles that seem to suggest that something is wrong with the car somewhere e.g. suspension, I will suggest to deal with that, at least for safety. With that in mind may be I can agree with everbody here.

[swng]

Now. I will admit you are someone who is 100% correct. I agree with you whole heartedly.:wink:
How can I thank you? We are all members trying to help one another and everybody's input, including of course yours, should be valuable.

[GabL]

Just found out that the high mount brakelight bracket is not fastened tightly, and that's why when I was driving the car, there are always some little rattling noise coming from the back. It only happens occasionally, but it's annoying. haha! So you might want to check to see if your bracket is mounted tightly or not.

If not because I sit at the back for one trip to see how it's like back there, I won't be able to find out where the noise come from. I always thought it was those tools in the trunk or those heat shield thing around the exhaust.

Will try to bring the car to the dealer this week and ask them to fix this. As well as the rattling when in reverse, anyone else beside Polar Yaris got their vehicle fixed on the rattling in engine bay??

[GabL]

How can I thank you? We are all members trying to help one another and everybody's input, including of course yours, should be valuable.

At the end, this forum is to allow people to post their experience on the BSR issues. As you can see, this is one of the most viewed thread in the forum, so apparently these problems do raise certain concern to all the owners. I myself do work in the automotive industry, and these BSR issues is one of the most brought up problem for us. OEMs make their best effort to eliminate BSR, they install dampeners and bumpers to stop them. However, they can't find all the BSR, that's why we're all here!

Obviously these BSR issues do happen in most of our Yaris, and the purpose of this thread is to let other people know if there is a fix to some of these issues. Just as if Polar_Yaris didn't post there is a TSB from Toyota to fix a wire routing in the engine bay that will fix one of the rattling issue, I believe no one will know there is this solution to the problem.

Even if you're expecting rattle in this "low class" vehicle, I don't think you'll leave the car rattling like no tomorrow when you know there is a fix for that.

Just my 2cents.

[why?]

No. You're wrong. If anyone has a problem, it is definitely you. You have no clue about the word value. But like I said it's no use for me to explain to you, because it's like me beating a dead horse... It still goes no where.

Why don't you grow up and get a life.

Ok, you are really trying to anger me, no?

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Toyota spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the Yaris.

That is a lot of money.

You are saying that Toyota is too stupid to spend that much money and create a quality product.

Again I say you are wrong.

My father owns a 1982 Toyota Supra. It has over 250,000 miles on it. It is not in perfect shape. Brand new is costed about 12 grand. Even to this day their are NO squeeks or rattles.

You claim you know what you are talking about.If their are regular squeeks and rattles, I say Toyota did not get the value out of its workers that it deserves. If I spent a few hundred million dollars on developing a product, I know I'd want the product to be defect free.

That is what you have to understand. The consumer is not the one who paid to create the vehicle. Toyota did. The consumer is just paying to purchase a vehicle that is endowed with all the quality and value that Toyota has placed in these vehicles when they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to create the vehicle.

As to your pathetic analogy, if I purchased any product for 3 bucks, it damn well better be defect free or I would return it.

Squeeks, rattles, and other constant noises are NOT to be expected, they are defects. They are to be fixed.

People like you who expect low quality products are the reason GM makes crappy vehicles and expects them to sell. They think all consumers want are crappy low quality vehicles. It is also the reason Toyota is going to become the #1 World Wide Car Manufacturer this year. They create high quality products and everyone knows it.

[jcove]

Ok, you are really trying to anger me, no?

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Toyota spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the Yaris.

That is a lot of money.

You are saying that Toyota is too stupid to spend that much money and create a quality product.

Again I say you are wrong.

My father owns a 1982 Toyota Supra. It has over 250,000 miles on it. It is not in perfect shape. Brand new is costed about 12 grand. Even to this day their are NO squeeks or rattles.

You claim you know what you are talking about.If their are regular squeeks and rattles, I say Toyota did not get the value out of its workers that it deserves. If I spent a few hundred million dollars on developing a product, I know I'd want the product to be defect free.

That is what you have to understand. The consumer is not the one who paid to create the vehicle. Toyota did. The consumer is just paying to purchase a vehicle that is endowed with all the quality and value that Toyota has placed in these vehicles when they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to create the vehicle.

As to your pathetic analogy, if I purchased any product for 3 bucks, it damn well better be defect free or I would return it.

Squeeks, rattles, and other constant noises are NOT to be expected, they are defects. They are to be fixed.

People like you who expect low quality products are the reason GM makes crappy vehicles and expects them to sell. They think all consumers want are crappy low quality vehicles. It is also the reason Toyota is going to become the #1 World Wide Car Manufacturer this year. They create high quality products and everyone knows it.

Well said!:clap: :thumbsup: :thumbup: I think we should just leave this guy on his own. I won't say what I want to say about him here or I'd get myself in trouble. As I said, I work in the automotive industry in the manufacturing side of things. I know how things should work and how strict Toyota is when there are any issues. They want to avoid any problems with vehicles and will look after you if you raise the issue to their attention. That's why I bought a Toyota. There are some people out there that should educate themselves before they open their mouths and have the guts to admit when they are wrong.

[jcove]

I wasn't implying that the yaris is cheap. I was using the 3 bucks to show how different it is from 249 bucks. That's a big difference, isn't it?

And even if the car is brand new, and it's an 11,000 thousand dollars, I'd still feel safe to say that it's bound to have rattles, whether it's at the beginning of ownership or miles down the road... As for 150,000... It should have no rattles what so ever, but even then, those cars tend to have tiny rattles that you may not notice until you continue to own the vehicle. Cars these days are made of cheaper materials. So what do you expect? Anyone who can't understand that, just shouldn't buy a car. I know we all want to "baby" our cars, but face it already. You can't stop the rattles...

:evil: Get a life and learn to read.

As I said my car does not have any rattles and it shouldn't for most of the life of the car. "Autotech"? You should learn more about cars, or buy a REAL car. The materials used in most cars today are better than 5 - 10 years ago, not cheaper material. The fit and finish on an 11,000 car is just as important as more expensive cars because the next car you purchase will more than likely be decided upon more on experience with your previous vehicles and the less expensive models are usually the best sellers, as it's more in line with the general public. Again, I work in the industry and know a lot about cars. I have worked at and with stamping, assembly and trim automotive manufacturers. I'm basing my comments on facts, not opinions.

[YarisBueller]

Ok everyone, before it gets out of hand, lets keep it friendly and civil like swng said ! We're all here for the yaris after all, not to fight over nothing. Everyone can disagree and have strong opinions, which is what life is all about, but don't let it spill over into personal attacks, please consider if you would use the same words if you were talking to the person in real life.

thanks everyone ! :)

:headbang:

[Polar_Yaris]

I'm sorry, but for someone who works for a car rental company that's all you do... You work for a car rental company... You obviously don't know much about cars. And if you're talking about some other country, I'm talking about the ones that are coming to the USDM... So you probably aren't following what I'm saying correctly.

I work for a rental car company and I do know about cars. I work on cars myself and my family member is a transportation mechanic(dealing with 18 wheelers and other smaller cars) "Obviously" .........I didn't disclose enough about what I do for a living and pleasure...that's obvious.

[AutoTech1]

Ok, you are really trying to anger me, no?

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Toyota spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the Yaris.

That is a lot of money.

You are saying that Toyota is too stupid to spend that much money and create a quality product.

Again I say you are wrong.

My father owns a 1982 Toyota Supra. It has over 250,000 miles on it. It is not in perfect shape. Brand new is costed about 12 grand. Even to this day their are NO squeeks or rattles.

You claim you know what you are talking about.If their are regular squeeks and rattles, I say Toyota did not get the value out of its workers that it deserves. If I spent a few hundred million dollars on developing a product, I know I'd want the product to be defect free.

That is what you have to understand. The consumer is not the one who paid to create the vehicle. Toyota did. The consumer is just paying to purchase a vehicle that is endowed with all the quality and value that Toyota has placed in these vehicles when they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to create the vehicle.

As to your pathetic analogy, if I purchased any product for 3 bucks, it damn well better be defect free or I would return it.

Squeeks, rattles, and other constant noises are NOT to be expected, they are defects. They are to be fixed.

People like you who expect low quality products are the reason GM makes crappy vehicles and expects them to sell. They think all consumers want are crappy low quality vehicles. It is also the reason Toyota is going to become the #1 World Wide Car Manufacturer this year. They create high quality products and everyone knows it.

You are an idiot. For one thing, you act like the Yaris is the only car that has had millions invested in it. Get a book and get your numbers right. For my second point, I never said Toyota is too stupid to not use quality materials. You are just too stupid to acknowledge that you get what you pay for so I can't help you there if you fail to understand.:iono:

And as for Toyota paying to create the product. You are also wrong. The consumer pays for that too... They pay with it with their interest in the product. Without no consumer there is no product, K? Gesh... Ever heard the saying "The customer is always right?" That's just not a BS saying. It's actually true.

And for my next point. Whether you pay a dollar, 3 grand, a million of a billion, everything has a defect. Get over it. Don't get me wrong. I baby my parents cars (Yes. I'm only 17) too, but I understand reason too.

And also. If they are to be fixed... These defects... Don't you think they'd be loose peices that you could possibly fix with a screwdriver etc? Why would you even bring it into a dealer? Give away more money than you need to? Unless it's something you can't get to, then you must be pretty stupid...

And for your 411. GM only makes bad vehicles, because they don't take the time to check their stuff over. And also that is also is very stereotypical, which shows you how much you know about cars. My parents own two GMs (A Vibe and a G6) and they function well. As for the whole GM being lazy... They'd rather deal with recalls, because they know most of their customers won't come to get the recall. So they save money, because they don't have to fix the problem, they created in the first place. If you know anything, it's not because of people like me. You are very ignorant.

And also. I am an Auto Technician... Sure I'm only 17, but I am very knowledgeable. And I think I've been pretty helpful, and I don't say anything unless I'm sure it's correct... So you choose to not believe me. And if I say something that isn't correct, feel free to correct me, because I know that I don't know everything... But please don't be ignorant...

[swng]

At the end, this forum is to allow people to post their experience on the BSR issues. As you can see, this is one of the most viewed thread in the forum, so apparently these problems do raise certain concern to all the owners. I myself do work in the automotive industry, and these BSR issues is one of the most brought up problem for us. OEMs make their best effort to eliminate BSR, they install dampeners and bumpers to stop them. However, they can't find all the BSR, that's why we're all here!

Obviously these BSR issues do happen in most of our Yaris, and the purpose of this thread is to let other people know if there is a fix to some of these issues. Just as if Polar_Yaris didn't post there is a TSB from Toyota to fix a wire routing in the engine bay that will fix one of the rattling issue, I believe no one will know there is this solution to the problem.

Even if you're expecting rattle in this "low class" vehicle, I don't think you'll leave the car rattling like no tomorrow when you know there is a fix for that.

Just my 2cents.

I agree with you friend. Since you have quoted my post, let me respond. In at least one of my previous posts, I already said that my Yaris was not cheap.
I would never consider my Yaris "low class". If there is a rattle that points to some problem, I will get it fixed.
I thanked a member for agreeing with me that, inter alia, we all had come to discuss our problems rationally and I agreed that I would be reasonable in my way of approaching the problem of rattles. By doing so, I hoped to win his friendship and understanding so that all could stay focused to contribute positively to the production of more acceptable solutions for the problem of rattles. I was sincere. I do treasure everybody's friendship. Sadly, several posts ago, I already thought that things could come to a head and I was making efforts uninvitedly to avert that, at least for my own comfort. In one of my previous posts, I did hint to the forum adminstrators to pay some attention to the situation.
When we come to a forum, we expect to meet people with a diversity of views. In this thread, there are people who think any rattles are unacceptable and there is/are people to whom rattles are unavoidable(talking about the Yaris). As for me, sometimes rattles will happen anyway but if there are repeating rattles that affect my investment, comfort and safety, I will go to see the dealer. That has always been my stand.
It has been a pleasure communicating with high calibre people like you guys!
Can I now hold out my hand and shake everybody else's?

[AutoTech1]

:evil: Get a life and learn to read.

As I said my car does not have any rattles and it shouldn't for most of the life of the car. "Autotech"? You should learn more about cars, or buy a REAL car. The materials used in most cars today are better than 5 - 10 years ago, not cheaper material. The fit and finish on an 11,000 car is just as important as more expensive cars because the next car you purchase will more than likely be decided upon more on experience with your previous vehicles and the less expensive models are usually the best sellers, as it's more in line with the general public. Again, I work in the industry and know a lot about cars. I have worked at and with stamping, assembly and trim automotive manufacturers. I'm basing my comments on facts, not opinions.

I need to learn more about cars??? You need to learn more about how to get your head out your butt (I'm not trying to get kicked off here). I work on cars... They call people like me "Auto Technicians." Ever heard the term? That explains why my name is AutoTech. And although I'm only 17, I'm just putting in my input. Most of the stuff I have written is fact or is based on common sense... I'd say about 85-90%. The rest is opinion. Feel free to express it... And as for materials, I'm not talking about comparing them back to 10 years ago. And even if I was, you'd only be partially correct. For somethings they are better. But I refuse to agree with you on that all the way, because you are partially wrong and I know it from facts Jcove. Cars are made from cheaper materials... If you don't believe me do a google or continue to not believe me... That's ok... I have no problem with that... I'm not going to make you. :redface:

[AutoTech1]

:evil: Get a life and learn to read.

As I said my car does not have any rattles and it shouldn't for most of the life of the car. "Autotech"? You should learn more about cars, or buy a REAL car. The materials used in most cars today are better than 5 - 10 years ago, not cheaper material. The fit and finish on an 11,000 car is just as important as more expensive cars because the next car you purchase will more than likely be decided upon more on experience with your previous vehicles and the less expensive models are usually the best sellers, as it's more in line with the general public. Again, I work in the industry and know a lot about cars. I have worked at and with stamping, assembly and trim automotive manufacturers. I'm basing my comments on facts, not opinions.

Since I need to "get a life and learn to read and should learn more about cars and purchase a REAL one" supposedly, here is what I have to back up what I said... This came from Modified Magazine, one of the more popular magazines out there for enthusiasts who like to modify their cars (They are in the top ranks (if not on the top of all these) with ImportTuner, SuperStreet etc)... It says qoute on qoute (Don't bust down on my spelling because I was typing this from the magazine quiet fast. Also I'd be happy to post more examples for you buddy since I don't know much about cars. :bs: :wink: :evil: ):

Modified Magazine
June 2005
By Peter Tarach

"It's all About the Shafts"; Project STi

"When autmoblie manufacturers design drive axles they design them to be as cost effective as possible and you can't really blame them for this. After all most people want the best bang for their buck when buying a car and this is one of the many ways manufacturers can keep costs down. The problem is these days automobile manufacturers have made them so much weaker that it's becoming a common occurence for high performance modified vehicles to break axles. For example, the new 2004 Honda Civic has drive axles that are weaker than a 1990 Acura Integra and yet the Civic has more standard horsepower. Over the last 10 years the build quility of factory axles has gone down significantly."

So even if we were talking about in a ten yr range period (or rather 15 yr I should really say), you'd still be partially wrong. :-P I will still agree with you partially on things have improved... But that's only somethings... Some other things have actually became worse, like this here for example. :cool:

And so you know that I use facts too, so get your own damn facts straight. You seem to think you now it all, but no one does. :help: I work with a lot of people that think they know everything, but they don't know shit, so I just let them break stuff and laugh at them afterwards, and boy do they look stupid. I'll admit, I myself don't know everything. Happy? :-)

And why yes... I'm only 17. Maybe I don't own a car... Hell. I don't even have a license yet, if you really want to know something interesting. :-P And I do have a life and I'm pretty damn sure I read more than you. I take great pride in what I do and I love it. So don't give me anymore of that BS, because I do back up what I say. I'm glad you're bringing your A game though, but you still need to grow up for someone who "works in the industry"... :-P You make me laugh. :redface: And by no means am I trying to anger you, but I'm being serious.

[YarisBueller]

:frown: This thread has been closed due to sheer immaturity.
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