Max Speed in Each Gear for 5 speed man. Yaris with no tach??

[09TRD]

Anyone know what they are?

My '97 Tacoma owner's manual listed the max speeds in each gear for manual trans trucks with no tach and I'm wondering if there's similar info out for the Yaris.

I am picking up my '09 TRD equipped 5 speed hatch (base model) next Friday and I'd like to know how fast I can go in each gear in order to achieve maximum acceleration.

NOTE: I THINK THIS INFO COULD BE IN THE OWNER'S MANUAL; MAYBE SOMEONE COULD CHECK...:redface:

[09TRD]

first 1000km forget about ripping the car , let it settle first.

1st - 50Km/h 31mph
2nd - 70km/h 44mph
3rd - 95km/h 60mph
4th -130km/h 80mph
5th - maxes out around 195km/h 121mph

I'm well aware of what's required in breaking in a new car, but thanks for the advice and the information.

Is that information published in the owner's manual?

[09TRD]

yes it is , but they are more conservative then what i told you.

Where did you get your numbers from, then?:iono:

[09TRD]

personal experience, data i gathered from my OBDII scanner and other members.
I probably misunderstood your question , i thought you wanted the aggressive driving numbers and not the factory recommendation, if you want ill go get the manual now

I'd appreciate both sets of figures.

I assumed that the "maximum acceleration" shift point numbers published in the owner's manual would correlate to engine red-line in each gear. Is that not the case?

Do your numbers correlate to engine red-line?

:burnrubber:

[09TRD]

From Manual:
Max allowable speed:

1st - 51kmh 31mph
2nd - 95kmh 59mph
3rd - 139kmh 86mph



1st - 50Km/h 31mph
2nd - 70km/h 44mph
3rd - 95km/h 60mph
4th -130km/h 80mph
5th - maxes out around 195km/h 121mph

I don't understand.

The owner's manual says 59 MPH can be achieved in 2nd gear, while you say 44 MPH...

And the owner's manual says 86 MPH in 3rd gear, which is faster than the 80 MPH you listed for 4th gear...

And why does the owner's manual only list the first 3 gears for a 5 speed manual trans...?:help:

[09TRD]

i suspect that their numbers are basically all the way in the redline. like i said in the previous post i never go past 5500rpms

the redline in the Yaris is at 6500rpm

The manual says 86 MPH in 3rd gear, while you say 80 MPH in 4th gear. That difference is more than 1,000 RPM.

Yet, both you and the manual say 31 MPH in 1st gear...

There's nothing wrong with revving these engines to redline - even on a relatively frequent basis. This engine is a DOHC/16 valve with variable valve timing. It's designed to rev.

I did it with all three of the 4 cylinder Toyotas I've owned for many, many miles and never had a problem.

So I'm going by the owner's manual recommendations when I'm looking for strong acceleration...:smile:

[09TRD]

oh i know that they are capable of taking the abuse, but its more of a personal choice i hate the screaming of the engine i feel like im braking it. but on a race track with a race car i couldn't care less :biggrin:

Well I'm using the owner's manual as the guideline...Thanks for the information.

These 1.5 liter Yaris engines have no problem with revs. They have strong, lightweight internals and a valvetrain that's built for it. I plan on running Mobil 1 exclusively in it after the first change.

My '09 LS3 Corvette redlines @ 6,500 RPM and that's a pushrod, 6.2 liter V8.:eek: That's only got 1,200 miles on it and it started seeing redline after 600 easy break-in miles. It's a nice DRIVING car. Too bad GM has to ruin it in the usual way (cheap seats, crappy sounding stereo and electronics/power accessories that break constantly).

[PETERPOOP]

just buy a tach and shift at 6000rpm

[09TRD]

just buy a tach and shift at 6000rpm

A tach isn't really necessary and I've no plans to install one.

All you really need to know is the max allowable engine speeds (e.g. red-line) in each gear. That information is apparently included in the owner's manual - as was the case with my '97 Tacoma.

[MUSKOKA800]

first 1000km forget about ripping the car , let it settle first.

1st - 50Km/h 31mph
2nd - 70km/h 44mph
3rd - 95km/h 60mph
4th -130km/h 80mph
5th - maxes out around 195km/h 121mph

That's not the way Aarton would have done it. :burnrubber:

[09TRD]

That's not the way Aarton would have done it.

He wouldn't have spelled his name that way, either.

He spelled it Aryton. :thumbup:

More modern F1 driver's shift using indicator lights and I believe those were around before Senna's fatal crash.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

1st:about 32mph
2nd about 63 mph
3rd about 81 mph
4th around 102 mph
5th cuts off at just 117/118..........

im not stock and have I/H/E, crank pulley.........

[ddongbap]

1st:about 32mph
2nd about 63 mph
3rd about 81 mph
4th around 102 mph
5th cuts off at just 117/118..........

im not stock and have I/H/E, crank pulley.........

Mods don't effect the outcome of your top speed in any gear.

And I don't get why PK's numbers differ from these? I get these numbers too, in my Yaris.

[grampi]

I don't understand why cars equipped with manual transmissions don't come with a tach (even base models). The exact purpopse of having a tach is to let you know when to shift, which is something you need with a manual tranny.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Mods don't effect the outcome of your top speed in any gear.

And I don't get why PK's numbers differ from these? I get these numbers too, in my Yaris.

threw that in there cause my numbers were different from pk's......

[ddongbap]

threw that in there cause my numbers were different from pk's......

Oh no, don't trip dude. My numbers are the same as yours, not PK's, thats why I'm asking.

[ddongbap]

I don't understand why cars equipped with manual transmissions don't come with a tach (even base models). The exact purpopse of having a tach is to let you know when to shift, which is something you need with a manual tranny.

Because you simply don't need a tach to drive. Auto or manual.

[MUSKOKA800]

yes in 94 they had the lights not as sophisticated as these days but they had those also.

To MUSKOKA800:

primo Ayrton Senna did not own a Yaris, secundo he is the best F1 driver i'm not , and finally my Yaris is still under warranty as soon as that is gone then I will get a new car and use the Yaris as a track car.:burnrubber:


Just teasing! :biggrin:
Anyway, reving is harmless. Over-reving on the other hand :eek:

And yes, Ayrton was the best! My favorite for sure.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Oh no, don't trip dude. My numbers are the same as yours, not PK's, thats why I'm asking.
its all good, i was sure someone wouldn't agree with me.........

[Bob_VT]

I would thing the rev limiter would prevent overspeed while upshifting.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

rev limiter works for me in all gears. this past weekend i just experienced 5th gear limiter that hit about 117/118...........

[grampi]

Because you simply don't need a tach to drive. Auto or manual.

I disagree. I think if you have a manual tranny you need a tach.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

I disagree. I think if you have a manual tranny you need a tach.

DON'T NEED NO STINKiN TACH, ive gotten used to listening to my motor......

[09TRD]

1st:about 32mph
2nd about 63 mph
3rd about 81 mph
4th around 102 mph
5th cuts off at just 117/118..........

im not stock and have I/H/E, crank pulley.........

Thanks

I drove mine ('09 base TRD hatch with Option Combo D and TRD springs, shocks and rear anti-roll bar) for the first time yesterday. I am taking delivery 1 week from tomorrow.

My original plan was to drive the Yaris as a winter car (I live in New England) in order to "save" my 2009 Corvette coupe. The Corvette has done nothing but cause problems and break since I got it and I am now trying to sell it.

I'll probably drive the Yaris full time for awhile.

What a nice driving little car. I was expecting something more rudimentary and was quite surprised by the car's smoothness, responsiveness and ride/handling (thanks in large part to the TRD package on that last one). The car was also pretty quiet for such a small, inexpensive car. The overall structure felt "tighter" than my Corvette's. The Yaris's seats are more comfortable than my Corvette's and are also more comfortable than the seats in the Mazda Speed 3 I drove for awhile.

Sometimes less is more.

I've had a lot of cars and I'm speaking from first hand experience (and also as a mechanical engineer).:smile:

[PaidTimeOff]

I disagree. I think if you have a manual tranny you need a tach.

Well, you clearly don't NEED a tach, as people have been driving manual transmission vehicles without tachs for decades. Hell, even the manual 1997 Ford Escort I drive for work doesn't have a tach and it's still going strong after more than a decade of use. You may WANT a tach so you can see your revs, but it's definitely not required to effectively drive a manual transmission car.

[justjesus]

DON'T NEED NO STINKiN TACH, ive gotten used to listening to my motor......

LOL - my friend is trying to convince me to get a tach. I tells him i don't needs it, so whatever! you don't NEED a tach when driving a manual. If it was truly NEEDED, Toyota would have installed it.

As for PK's (?) numbers being different from the owner's manual... well, that was just HIS preference. We all shift at different speeds. Also, i believe the original queston (sort of, as it was more like TWO parts) was...
I'd like to know how fast I can go in each gear in order to achieve maximum acceleration.

You wont achieve max accel from redlining these motors.

[grampi]

Well, you clearly don't NEED a tach, as people have been driving manual transmission vehicles without tachs for decades. Hell, even the manual 1997 Ford Escort I drive for work doesn't have a tach and it's still going strong after more than a decade of use. You may WANT a tach so you can see your revs, but it's definitely not required to effectively drive a manual transmission car.

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

[09TRD]

LOL - my friend is trying to convince me to get a tach. I tells him i don't needs it, so whatever! you don't NEED a tach when driving a manual. If it was truly NEEDED, Toyota would have installed it.

As for PK's (?) numbers being different from the owner's manual... well, that was just HIS preference. We all shift at different speeds. Also, i believe the original queston (sort of, as it was more like TWO parts) was...

You can use the speedometer as an indicator for red-line in each gear, which is the point of this thread.

I put little marks on the face of the speedometer on my 1997 Tacoma 2wd. I used the stick on "pin striping" tape that I bought for a couple of bucks somewhere. I marked it per the "maximum shift points" in the owner's manual. It worked fine.

[09TRD]

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

It's "nice" to have leather seats, 300 HP, AWD, a power moon-roof, etc.

Right?

But I think the base Yaris's equipment level is FINE for its price level.

Get one of the higher trim levels if you want a tach.

Or buy a tach and install it.

[justjesus]

You can use the speedometer as an indicator for red-line in each gear, which is the point of this thread.

I put little marks on the face of the speedometer on my 1997 Tacoma 2wd. I used the stick on "pin striping" tape that I bought for a couple of bucks somewhere.

not a bad idea, the pin striping.

Oh, also. I believe the manual calls for 1,000 MILES break in distance. The sad part, they mention, is you can't just take a long drive, or keep it at certain speed for "extended periods" or something like that. So my idea of a Vegas trip to break it in was thrown out the window. booooo. LOL

[PaidTimeOff]

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.

If to you it's too much money for what you get, then don't buy it. Toyota cut a few bucks off their production costs by not including the tach in lower models. The lack of a tachometer also motivates buyers to upgrade to the higher level lb if they really want it. Sounds like good business to me.

[09TRD]

You wont achieve max accel from redlining these motors.

I'd love to see you prove that empirically.

Peak HP occurs at 6,000 RPM. Redline occurs at 6,500 RPM.

You'll want to shift at or near red-line for peak performance, even though engine horsepower falls off after 6,000 RPM. Why? Because doing so will put the engine closer to its horsepower peak in the next gear (immediately after the up-shift) while ensuring peak obtainable drive-wheel torque at all vehicle speeds.

Precise shift points would be determined in the fashion discussed in this link:

http://www.allpar.com/eek/hp-vs-torque.html

Generally speaking, shifting at red-line is a good "rule of thumb" for maximizing acceleration. That tends to be especially true for higher revving, small displacement DOHC engines (e.g. Yaris engine).

I've been told that the Yaris's owner's manual recommends the following shift points for maximum acceleration:

1 to 2: 31 MPH

2 to 3: 59 MPH

3 to 4: 86 MPH

Assuming that's true, I suspect that each of those shift points corresponds to engine red-line in the Yaris models equipped with tachs.

[09TRD]

if you like i could scan the page relating to this from the actual manual. let me know.

as for max power best way would be to do a dyno run and see the RPMs at which power peaks, Garm i believe has acces to a dyno

Please scan that page of the manual if you don't mind.


Peak power (106 HP @ the flywheel) occurs at 6,000 RPM - just like Toyota says it does. Peak power will be less when measured on a chassis dyno, though the RPM at which it occurs will be identical.

That says little about determining shift points for optimal acceleration, though, as explained here:

http://www.allpar.com/eek/hp-vs-torque.html

Generally speaking, one wants to shift at engine red-line (ABOVE PEAK HP RPM) in order to maximize acceleration. That's particularly true with "peaky," small displacement, DOHC engines (e.g. Yaris 1.5 liter).

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Peak power (106 HP @ the flywheel) occurs at 6,000 RPM - just like Toyota says it does. That says little about determining shift points for optimal acceleration, though, as explained here:

http://www.allpar.com/eek/hp-vs-torque.html

Generally speaking, one wants to shift at engine red-line (ABOVE PEAK HP RPM) in order to maximize acceleration. That's particularly true with "peaky," small displacement, DOHC engines (e.g. Yaris 1.5 liter).

i have no tach and hence rely on engine sound so i can attest to to the claim about peak power. i say this cause when i shift at redline i notice a slight bog in power but when i shift JUST before im spinning 18inch tires in second gear and third doesn't have that lag you get around 60 mph........

[09TRD]

i have no tach and hence rely on engine sound so i can attest to to the claim about peak power. i say this cause when i shift at redline i notice a slight bog in power but when i shift JUST before im spinning 18inch tires in second gear and third doesn't have that lag you get around 60 mph........

How does the rolling diameter of 18" set-up compare with the OEM set-up?

If it's off, indicated speed will differ from actual speed.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

this is true, which is why i read closer to 120 mph when i hit rev limiter.....

[justjesus]

I'd love to see you prove that empirically.

Peak HP occurs at 6,000 RPM. Redline occurs at 6,500 RPM.

You'll want to shift at or near red-line for peak performance, even though engine horsepower falls off after 6,000 RPM. Why? Because doing so will put the engine closer to its horsepower peak in the next gear (immediately after the up-shift) while ensuring peak obtainable drive-wheel torque at all vehicle speeds.

Precise shift points would be determined in the fashion discussed in this link:

http://www.allpar.com/eek/hp-vs-torque.html

Generally speaking, shifting at red-line is a good "rule of thumb" for maximizing acceleration. That tends to be especially true for higher revving, small displacement DOHC engines (e.g. Yaris engine).

I've been told that the Yaris's owner's manual recommends the following shift points for maximum acceleration:

1 to 2: 31 MPH
2 to 3: 59 MPH
3 to 4: 86 MPH

.

And I'd love to prove it as well. If i had easier access to a track, I'd do it. Would you settle for a measured distance (1/4 mile) vs time (stopwatch)?:redface:

It's nice to have peak HP so close to redline, as it makes your point that much easier to work with. And, for most people (as well as the common point of view), shifting at redline would be best.

[09TRD]

09TRD here is the page you asked for

Thank you very much; that's exactly what I've been looking for.:headbang:

[bubaa]

so theres n problem on shifting almost all the time up to 6500 i have tach

[grampi]

If to you it's too much money for what you get, then don't buy it. Toyota cut a few bucks off their production costs by not including the tach in lower models. The lack of a tachometer also motivates buyers to upgrade to the higher level lb if they really want it. Sounds like good business to me.

You shouldn't have to buy the most expensive trim level just to get a tach. At the very least, it should be available as a stand alone option.

[ddongbap]

I disagree. I think if you have a manual tranny you need a tach.
You're doing it right now, aren't you? There are tons of other Yaris manual owners who're not running any tachs, yet are still able to drive, AMIRITE?

[ddongbap]

You're not doing much to help me make my argument. I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual, but isn't having one nice? It isn't asking that much for Toyota to quit being so damn cheap and just include one in the base Yaris. They're already selling these cars for a much higher price than they should be. It isn't like Toyota isn't going to make a profit on these cars if the included a tach.I've been through this argument with many others. I'll go over it with you.

Toyota didn't include a tach, to provide a super cheap ass Yaris. Want a tach? Get a S model. Still don't like it? Get a Fit.

Earlier you had stated that you NEED a tach for a manual transmission, but now you're saying,

=grampi]I know you don't NEED a tach to drive a manual,

Its bad enough Toyota isn't making much on these cars anyways. Toyota obviously doesn't care about the Yaris, as they do the other models. There's nearly no Yaris commercials anymore.

[09TRD]

so theres n problem on shifting almost all the time up to 6500 i have tach


No street driven engine should be shifted at redline "almost all the time."

More revs equal more wear per mile. Racing engines are generally shifted at redline, but most of them have to be rebuilt on a regular basis.

You can safely red-line the Yaris's engine (or any other street engine in good condition) on occasion (e.g. when merging into traffic, accelerating hard for the fun of it, etc.).

Another user scanned and posted this. It shows recommended shift points for different driving conditions:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9439&d=1224720740

[paraganek]

OK, maybe a little off topic but this shifting pattern works best if you drive for the best fuel economy (so you do not need fast acceleration):
shift to 2nd at 10MPH
shift to 3rd at 25 MPH
shift to 4th at 35 MPH
shift to 5th at 45 MPH

[09TRD]

OK, maybe a little off topic but this shifting pattern works best if you drive for the best fuel economy (so you do not need fast acceleration):
shift to 2nd at 10MPH
shift to 3rd at 25 MPH
shift to 4th at 35 MPH
shift to 5th at 45 MPH

"Best" compared to what?

How do you know that 11 MPH, 24 MPH, 33 MPH and 46 MPH wouldn't be better, for example?:confused:

[paraganek]

"Best" compared to what?
How do you know that 11 MPH, 24 MPH, 33 MPH and 46 MPH wouldn't be better, for example?:confused:

The numbers I posted are based on many Yaris forum members experience (both with and without Scangauge II), unfortunately all those posts are lost now:cry:

[PaidTimeOff]

You shouldn't have to buy the most expensive trim level just to get a tach. At the very least, it should be available as a stand alone option.

But you see how it's a good business decision on Toyota's part, correct? You think you shouldn't have to buy the highest trim for the tach. I think my lowest priced Playstation 3 should have a memory stick slot, which they offer on the higher model. They could easily just add it on since they offer it on the top model, but I bought the "base" model and was well aware that the slot would not be included and was not an option, just as you were aware they didn't offer the tach on the sub-S models. I can add the slot later using a USB adapter, just as you are able to add an aftermarket tach to the Yaris after purchase.

Not including the tach on the lower models entices buyers to upgrade to the S model. I already wanted the S model, but once I heard the S model of the liftback was the only one that had the tach, I was sold. This is not a bait and switch, certain models only offer certain options. I'm sure there are plenty of people that wanted S-style seats in their base Yarises, but that's not an option. It's only available in the S model.

You know what they offered, they don't hold a gun to your head telling you you need to buy the S. They tell you what you can get, then leave the decision up to you.

[grampi]

I've been through this argument with many others. I'll go over it with you.

Toyota didn't include a tach, to provide a super cheap ass Yaris. Want a tach? Get a S model. Still don't like it? Get a Fit.

Earlier you had stated that you NEED a tach for a manual transmission, but now you're saying,



Its bad enough Toyota isn't making much on these cars anyways. Toyota obviously doesn't care about the Yaris, as they do the other models. There's nearly no Yaris commercials anymore.

I'm not buying that Toyota isn't making much money on the Yaris. It can't cost Toyota much more than $8K to put a Yaris on the Dealer's lot, and yet Toyota can't keep them on the lots at $12-$17K. They don't advetise them because they don't have to. You also can't get any buyer's incentives on them, again because they sell themselves.

[justjesus]

The numbers I posted are based on many Yaris forum members experience (both with and without Scangauge II), unfortunately all those posts are lost now:cry:


Damn. I will try those shift points. Thanks for posting that:thumbsup:

[Japmuscle]

I don't understand.

The owner's manual says 59 MPH can be achieved in 2nd gear, while you say 44 MPH...

And the owner's manual says 86 MPH in 3rd gear, which is faster than the 80 MPH you listed for 4th gear...

And why does the owner's manual only list the first 3 gears for a 5 speed manual trans...?:help:

I cant remember what 1,2,3rd gears get to but 4th gets to 115 on my 08' 5spd sdn

[PerfectoII]

1st:about 32mph
2nd about 63 mph
3rd about 81 mph
4th around 102 mph
5th cuts off at just 117/118..........

im not stock and have I/H/E, crank pulley.........

Decided to try 4th at 80-95 mph today...car did very well up hill for the whole duration (about 25 seconds...) no CAI or pulley...

[rob323]

The theoretically ideal revs at which to change up at to get max acceleration will vary depending on whether you are going up a hill, on a flat road, or going down a hill. It's all arbitrary.

[Yaris Hilton]

If you're just looking for max revs, you can determine that yourself by revving up to the rev limiter in each gear. (On an off road course, of course.)

[Zig-Zag]

''There's nothing wrong with revving these engines to redline - even on a relatively frequent basis. This engine is a DOHC/16 valve with variable valve timing. It's designed to rev.''

Hello there,

I dont understand this?
Are not all engines desinged to rev?wats special abt yaris,every other model also has vvt,n other car manu. gives it other names. eg honda - ivtec.

How frequent is relatively frequent ? everyday 10 times is ok?Doesnt this wear out the engine,instead of the car lasting 200000 kms at peak efficenicy it might taper of at 150000,isnt that a concern?