Official Richard Holdener who wants to buy an intake manifold list

[kou]

$699 sign up if you really want one (only if you want it.)
1.kou
2.pinoypizzaboy.
3.caliyaris.
4.
5.sabretooth.
6.thepoche.
7.gideon.
8.lilredrocket.
9.chinocharles
10.ranggarn.
11.klink10.
12.anonymous user.
13.blacksandiegovitz.
14.mikenacarato.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

not to hijack but whats the time frame on availability???

[richardholdener]

If we can get 10 owners signed up ready to buy, we can have production run completed by end of November.

not to hijack but whats the time frame on availability???

[pinoypizzaboy]

ill take 1. can i just pick it up? so i dont need to pay shipping?

[cali yaris]

1. kou
2. pinopizzaboy
3. cali yaris

kou, since you posted first, will you keep the list up to date on the first post?

[madyaris]

Details on the Manifold please.

$699 sign up if you really want one (only if you want it.)
1.kou

[richardholdener]

What details would you want that are not listed under the topic on intake manifold?

Details on the Manifold please.

[tk-421]

Details on the Manifold please.
Here's the original thread on the subject: http://yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9825

[ddongbap]

What details would you want that are not listed under the topic on intake manifold?

I think the detail of HE NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION.

[kou]

1. kou
2. pinopizzaboy
3. cali yaris

kou, since you posted first, will you keep the list up to date on the first post?

updated.

[Sabretooth]

Add Me!

[kou]

Add Me!

added.

[thepoche]

I'm in. Add me to the list.

[PETERPOOP]

ME

[Treyz]

Grrr .. I want but cash is extremely tight :(

[Sabretooth]

4 more people for production! Possibly 3!!!!

[PETERPOOP]

"bdc87" said to add him to the list. He posted the 2nd post on this thread. He must have updated it after you updated your list.

[kou]

done.

[Noisetube]

3 more to go...

I wish I could be on that list but need to do some research and probably see some pictures of the installed final product to "check" throttle compatibility and engine bay fitting with my car, a Turbo Vitz RS (Japan) -aka- Yaris TS Turbo (Europe, Latin America)... -aka- Echo Hatch with-the-1NZFE-and-and-tiny-Turbo-attached-to-it :p

If this thing fits in our car it would open up the Europe/Canada/Asia market for it. ( The old Gen Yaris TS is huge in Europe and Japan and I think in Canada they got the Echo RS)

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Grrr .. I want but cash is extremely tight :(

x2

[richardholdener]

Is the intake the same on the turbo vitz RS as it is on the US-spec Yaris? Since we are configuring a production piece, I would like to make it fit as many applications as possible. Can you supply photos of vitz rs and ts turbo engine bay?

3 more to go...

I wish I could be on that list but need to do some research and probably see some pictures of the installed final product to "check" throttle compatibility and engine bay fitting with my car, a Turbo Vitz RS (Japan) -aka- Yaris TS Turbo (Europe, Latin America)... -aka- Echo Hatch with-the-1NZFE-and-and-tiny-Turbo-attached-to-it :p

If this thing fits in our car it would open up the Europe/Canada/Asia market for it. ( The old Gen Yaris TS is huge in Europe and Japan and I think in Canada they got the Echo RS)

[cali yaris]

isn't the TS the 1.8L motor, as in the other thread?

[Noisetube]

Is the intake the same on the turbo vitz RS as it is on the US-spec Yaris? Since we are configuring a production piece, I would like to make it fit as many applications as possible. Can you supply photos of vitz rs and ts turbo engine bay?


Ok, I'll do some research and get you some pics :smile:

isn't the TS the 1.8L motor, as in the other thread?

No no, I'm talking about the Old Gen Yaris TS... Which is an Echo Hatch with the 1NZFE and all the extra goodies (Rear disc brake, ABS, VSC, Trac Control, different seats, body kit, Optional TRD Turbo kit... etc ) Major Specs on the Turbo and non Turbo version are the same, it was an optional bolt on package (injectors, cpu, intercooler, pipes, oil lines and Turbo)
It is NOT Drive by Wire btw

[kou]

bump.

[PETERPOOP]

3 more...... COME ON!

[eii]

I got the money, but I dont know how to install this thing..;D

[richardholdener]

Intake will come with complete install instructions including reference photos. If you are local, we can install it.

I got the money, but I dont know how to install this thing..;D

[PETERPOOP]

no excuses now!

[kou]

come on people.this is a no brainer.:burnrubber:

[baked_limabeans]

i would get it but i don't want to change my autox classing.

it's it easy to take on and off, if so I'll might consider.

[pinoypizzaboy]

Intake will come with complete install instructions including reference photos. If you are local, we can install it.

local here. i want the maker himself to install it!!!

[richardholdener]

I can install it-itis pretty easy and even easier to remove than stock manifold once installed.

local here. i want the maker himself to install it!!!

[kou]

i would get it but i don't want to change my autox classing.

it's it easy to take on and off, if so I'll might consider.

paint it black noone will notice.

[cali yaris]

powdercoat....mmmmm..... :biggrin:

[kou]

powdercoat....mmmmm..... :biggrin:

even better.

[baked_limabeans]

paint it black noone will notice.

well that would be lying, wouldn't it?

heh. Hmm... i could. but that would be immoral.

[kou]

if you put this on then win the events then worry about it.

[Crandall]

I remember there were two version of the manifold. One with higher peak power and one with slightly more torque. Can you clarify which one would be going into production Richard?

[Noisetube]

I remember there were two version of the manifold. One with higher peak power and one with slightly more torque. Can you clarify which one would be going into production Richard?


Thi sis the top end version-we willnot be offering the mid-range version.

More info on the other thread...

[kou]

he designed two manifolds a midrange and a highend version there was a poll the highend won. both intakes made more power than stock throughout the revs just that one has more up top with a little less in the middle.

[baked_limabeans]

so tempting.

[kou]

the ten who get this will have tha quickest NA yaris around. bumpity bump.:burnrubber:

[cali yaris]

the ten who get this will have tha quickest NA yaris around. bumpity bump.

Nine. + me. :biggrin:

[baked_limabeans]

alright cali, you convinced me with your wittyness. i shall be part of the list.

[Yoda]

o man i want to jump on the bandwagon but short for cash man.... next year January it looks like for me :(

[kou]

we need ten or they don't get made.:cry:

[CASTREX]

You got 8 ppl on a couple of days!!! You will have more than 10 by the end of the week.:biggrin:

[ZING]

^^ True. I just want to check in with the shipping price..if it wasn't for that I would've already been on that list.

[toyochris]

about the shipping price what is the shipping for puerto rico. 00959

[richardholdener]

It will be hard to give exact shipping prices since we don't have the finalized configuration-meaning no exact dimesnions for shipping box nor exact shipping weight. We will only charge what the shipping cost via UPS or Fed Ex (can also ship USPS-but slower).

[Jerkratt]

would u be able to use my ups shipping acocunt if i get the money in time for this?

[marcus]

i cant find the HP gain on this product...even on the original thread..????

[richardholdener]

Power curve is on page 2 of original thread on intake manifold

i cant find the HP gain on this product...even on the original thread..????

[richardholdener]

We can use your shipping account to ship intake

would u be able to use my ups shipping acocunt if i get the money in time for this?

[cali yaris]

8/10 :clap: :eek:

Maybe I should get two... or three... so we can get on with it.

[eii]

Shipping to socal shouldnt cost too much for this thing even without knowing exact size/weight, right? Just asking because as of right now I just have enough money for the intake mani if I decide to get it..

[kou]

8/10 :clap: :eek:

Maybe I should get two... or three... so we can get on with it.

:bow:now that would be a nice thing to do.i can see it now micro image official dealer of yaris intake manifold.

[PETERPOOP]

2 MORE! AHHHH HURRY UP! AHHH!

[richardholdener]

shipping to So cal will be free-how is that for a shipping quote-now sign up if you haven't already.

Shipping to socal shouldnt cost too much for this thing even without knowing exact size/weight, right? Just asking because as of right now I just have enough money for the intake mani if I decide to get it..

[pinoypizzaboy]

cmon guys we've been waiting for these since august.:smile:

[PHXDEMON]

I would take one if I had the cash :mad:

[tk-421]

I would take one if I had the cash :mad:
+1000

[PETERPOOP]

You won't have to pay until it is made I think. That isn't till end of november! Still won't have cash then??!?!? ahhhh

[battleversiontc]

i would have the cash but savin for some headers and exhaust

[pinoypizzaboy]

this is a real performance gain item. cmon guys after this he might build a turbo kit for us!

[Jerkratt]

so is the testing that going to happen with calis car? thats happening after the 10 ppl?

[ZING]

I want one so badly :(

[ChinoCharles]

... f@ck it. I'm a mod, I'll add myself. I shouldn't be spending the money, but I don't want to be left in the cold if these are only built once.

What type of intake would you recommend w/ this application Richard? Short ram or cold air? Any specific manufacturer you'd lean towards?

[eii]

Ok guys, I'll end the torment. I was gonna get some wheels with this money, but I figured my family would end up scratching them up anyways. I'll probably get back on wheel funds when I get my x-mas bonus. ADD ME TO THE LIST!

[ChinoCharles]

I added you.

There is your 10 Richard. Congratulations guys!

[eii]

Lol, charles you're f'ing quick.

[Nexus1155]

Congrats guys, wish i had the cash. Hopefully there will be more if interest comes around christmas time... or maybe the turbo kit would be out then!! ;)

[ChinoCharles]

That's what she said. :eek:

[kou]

i feel violated but very happy right now.nice job guys.:thumbup:

[marcus]

if i was reading that graph right..does that mean yaris will be losing torque on the low end..its kinna like the fit now..has to be pushed to get the gain..

[richardholdener]

You are not reading the graph right-there is no loss in power anywhere in the rpm range compared to the stock intake. Making this happen took literally over 100 different intake configurations before we had significant power gains with no loss elsewhere in the curve..

if i was reading that graph right..does that mean yaris will be losing torque on the low end..its kinna like the fit now..has to be pushed to get the gain..

[kou]

there is no loss. gains from 2500 and up.

[eii]

EDIT: Read the last 2 post, nvm :D!

[richardholdener]

Congrats to the Yaris community-I will begin with fabrication of the production piece. When that first article is ready, I will arrange to have it tested with a memebr of the community and then go into production-hopefully intakes will ship by ends of Nov. I hope to be testing a long-tube header very shortly-it won't be emissions legal and will require a custom exhaust since the stock exhaust is a single piece. I'll post dyno number after testing.

[kou]

very excited now.thank you.

[eii]

Cool, thanks richard! x-mas is coming early this year! :thumbup:

[PETERPOOP]

HECK YAH! Make them now richard!!!! haha

[kou]

HECK YAH! Make them now richard!!!! haha

please.

[PETERPOOP]

I hope he doesn't make anymore after the ten. And we will be the only ones with this until some other person/company finally makes one ( which won't happen for a long time it seems! ). like someone said, we'll have the fastest N/A yaris's in the NATION!

[eii]

like someone said, we'll have the fastest N/A yaris's in the NATION!

Yeah, that's what totally got me in this thread. Also richards free shipping quote <3.

[ChinoCharles]

I knew I wouldn't forgive myself if he never made them again. I could see limited runs like this happening again when interest is strong... Christmas and the beginning of summer and stuff. However, we all know what demand is like in this niche... spotty.

[PETERPOOP]

Also the fact that shia lebouf running a yaris with no intake manifold is just unheard of! ;)

[ChinoCharles]

This is going to follow me around the forums now, isn't it? :laugh: Dammit.

[cali yaris]

I hope he doesn't make anymore after the ten.

I hope he does, and I'm the one selling them.

[PETERPOOP]

haha cha ching!

[ZING]

I hope he does, and I'm the one selling them.

I hope so too.

[Yoda]

some1 want to lend me $700? lol

[richardholdener]

Who does a guy have to kill to get the world famouns Cali to give em a call on some top secret yaris testing?

I hope he does, and I'm the one selling them.

[marcus]

Who does a guy have to kill to get the world famouns Cali to give em a call on some top secret yaris testing?

the hacker...

[justjesus]

No need for any deaths, Mr Holdener. Take my car! So Cal, Vegas? I will be up in Vegas Nov 5/6, if you want to meet up and discuss details.

My specs: STOCK. Completely stock. Just under 3k miles on a 2008 liftback.

Who does a guy have to kill to get the world famouns Cali to give em a call on some top secret yaris testing?

[Klink10]

Well I have just talked with Mr Holdener. He has answered my questions as far as production specs and I am now going to commit. I also congratulated him on ten and said I would like to be 11, thank you very much. List should now have 11 names.

[kou]

you have been added.

[richardholdener]

Looks like the first production run will have to more than 10-good job! I would like to get ahold of an early Xb to see if the intake can be fited to that application with an adapter for the tb.

[kou]

i belive the manifold is the same just the throttl body is different.

[me_ver51]

When's the last day I can get in on this?

[kou]

you want on the list i will put you on now.

[PHXDEMON]

When will these be made? I may be able to save up the 700.

[kou]

get on the list and it will be ready the end of november.

[bladesmith6]

Don't worry peter, at 700 bucks a pop you aren't going to find many other people dumb enough to buy it. ridiculous...

[Klink10]

Reading back through this....will you also test with various other add ons in addition to the prototype long tube header? For example say mods that most have made like pulleys, axle backs and headers currently offered so folks will have a vague idea what to expect as to function and power output?

[richardholdener]

In the book that I am finishing on B-segments cars, I have already tested the TRD axle back, aem CAI, TRD CAI, dropping the exhaust entirely, custom CAI, NOS nitrous and low-boost turbo as well as all the testing on the intake. I would like to run a direct back to back on the pulleys and the shorty header if someone would allow me to borrow them for testing.

Reading back through this....will you also test with various other add ons in addition to the prototype long tube header? For example say mods that most have made like pulleys, axle backs and headers currently offered so folks will have a vague idea what to expect as to function and power output?

[richardholdener]

Not sure if I'm reading this right. Is this an opinion that the power gains offered by the intake are not worth the retail price? This seems odd since the gains from the intake are greater than a CAI, axle back, pulleys and shorty header combined. I am curious to see what you think is a good performance buy.

Don't worry peter, at 700 bucks a pop you aren't going to find many other people dumb enough to buy it. ridiculous...

[me_ver51]

you want on the list i will put you on now.

I need a couple days to make the decision. This is why I'm asking you now so I don't waste your time then. When is the last day I can get in on this?

[richardholdener]

The first production run will have to be more than 10, but make sure to get your name on the list since those people will get their intakes for sure and any that may be left will be offered for sale. I doubt there will be much in the way of excess.

I need a couple days to make the decision. This is why I'm asking you now so I don't waste your time then. When is the last day I can get in on this?

[tk-421]

Don't worry peter, at 700 bucks a pop you aren't going to find many other people dumb enough to buy it. ridiculous...
I honestly think you are mistaken. $700 is a good chunk of change, but the price/pony ratio is definitely worth every penny.
Sure, I would've preferred the mani with better gains at the bottom/mid range, but this is still a great buy in my book.

[Klink10]

Rich I wish I could provide those pieces for you, however my car wouldn't run if I did. Having said what you have done (B cars), I assume you are happy with the results or we wouldn't be where we are today. So, I am looking forward to the conclusion and again thanks.

[PETERPOOP]

you started making them yet!?

engrave "peterpoop" into mine. j/j

[bladesmith6]

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

[tk-421]

Supply and demand, bladesmith6... Supply and demand...

If you see a hole in the market for $500 manis, then get them made and sell them! Hell, if they're decent enough to compete with these manis I may even get one from ya.

Richard has spent a lot of time testing this part, and to me that is worth something. Plus, it's not like Joe the Plumber made it, now is it? :wink:

[Yoda]

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

^^^^simple laws of supply and demand buddy. No1 else make them so there is nothing to put it up against to say if its a bargin or not.. no competition. I personally think its and ok price for it but i see your point and i think its valid.

[thepoche]

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

Of course he's going to charge extra. He did all the r&d and he's the first to offer this kind of part.

If you don't want to pay the price, wait for a chinese company to make a cheap knock off and buy it on ebay for a 100$

[kou]

i have spent more for less power so far,this is the missing link . the yaris may get a little scary on a cold nights up north.this little machine is surprising sometimes.

[Yoda]

its cold down here now and o man it has a kik to it now. i actually feel tq :)

[PETERPOOP]

i'm buying it because noone else is making one. simple

[pinoypizzaboy]

In the book that I am finishing on B-segments cars, I have already tested the TRD axle back, aem CAI, TRD CAI, dropping the exhaust entirely, custom CAI, NOS nitrous and low-boost turbo as well as all the testing on the intake. I would like to run a direct back to back on the pulleys and the shorty header if someone would allow me to borrow them for testing.

i have dc 4-1 headaer NST underdrive pulleys and vegas local :smile: i can lend u the car for a day :smile:

[richardholdener]

This is such great information, I hardly know where to start. Let me get this straight. All anyone has to do is connect 4 tubes to a flange and (what is you called it?) an air chamber and viola--its instant intake manifold. I think that is exactly what the OEMs do-I mean why go to the trouble of hiring engineers with degrees in fluidynamics when you can get all the information you need on intake design right here from Mr. Pinkblade. Here is an offer of a free intake manifold since it is obvious you can't afford to buy one (despite a favorable bang/buck score). I will give you a free intake if you can tell me what the three forms of charge filling are associated with an intake design. You may have guessed by now that there is much more to an intake manifold than your previous description (we call the earlier comments sarcasm). I'll throw in a free long-tube header if you can tell me what the problem is asssociated with combining the three forms. You have all of the internet and every book ever written to source the information-you have 1 week.

PS-I welcome you to build your own manifold, start by running extensive testing on a minimum of 50 different intake combinations, then produce a 1st article and do a production run. You may want to check out the current cost of aluminum, welding time, fixture manufacturing, CNC machine work, tube bending, gaskets, vacuum and water lines to say nothing of your time. Please let me know if you can build an intake like this one for $250 so I can purchase them in bulk.

Ok, here is my opinion since apparently I am the only one who feels this way(or hasn't lost their perspective) I don't give a damn about the "horsepower to dollar ratio" that everyone keeps yammering about. I am talking purely about price for a certain type of part. For a non race manifold you generally see around 250-550 dollars, now I'm sure this manifold is the same basic construction, flange, 4 tubes, air chamber nothing earth shattering. No space age materials, no moving parts, no magic. Those manifolds are pumped out at a factory so prices can be lower because of volume, yours is closer to hand made, so no argument there. So sell the plans to edelbrock or victor or whomever you want, let THEM provide your profit margin instead of extorting a group of people who bought a subcompact car and are trying to have a little fun with what they can afford. Obviously the second I post this everyone who put themselves on the list is going to jump me saying how justified the price is, but I can't help thinking it is only because they have nowhere else to go.

[largeorangefont]

I'll take that header :P It will just take me about 30 minutes to type up the post.

[ChinoCharles]

Oh man. Served.

[cali yaris]

PWNED

[tk-421]

*grabs popcorn and sits in his favorite sofa*

[eTiMaGo]

Sadly, that's the kind of attitude that seems to make a lot of manufacturers hesitate before making parts for a "cheap" car, I guess :frown:

Richard, don't let a bad apple spoil our bunch :smile:

now I'm gonna go off and collect some soda cans, PVC tubing and RTV silicone and make my own intake out of that :cool:

[tk-421]

I'll take that header :P It will just take me about 30 minutes to type up the post.
Dude, you don't have to go into so much detail! It's been over 3 hours already! :biggrin:

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

hey richard, what happens after the first ten are sold and shipped.is there gonna another group buy right away seeing as tax season is 3 months away??

[Klink10]

11 and I believe you can still get on the list. Just needed 10 to get the ball rolling.

[Nexus1155]

I will give you a free intake/mani if you can tell me .......

Does these challenges apply to everyone :biggrin: :biggrin:

Yeah dude, for a custom piece that he produced this way for a small community that is a damn good price.

If you look online for custom manifolds cheapest you would find them would be $500 that are not mass produced and they are of crap design because they just slap them together with whatever size runners fit in the engine bay.

I think even $700 is on the cheap side for this product, but seeing that this is a cheap car to begin with i think it is a good price!

Oh and Richard, are you using velocity stacks, or are you just smoothing out the entry to the runners

[Yoda]

Does these challenges apply to everyone :biggrin: :biggrin:

Yeah dude, for a custom piece that he produced this way for a small community that is a damn good price.

If you look online for custom manifolds cheapest you would find them would be $500 that are not mass produced and they are of crap design because they just slap them together with whatever size runners fit in the engine bay.

I think even $700 is on the cheap side for this product, but seeing that this is a cheap car to begin with i think it is a good price!

Oh and Richard, are you using velocity stacks, or are you just smoothing out the entry to the runners

^^^i hope. but prob not. would increase cost unless its already done and factored in...

[justjesus]

*grabs popcorn and sits in his favorite sofa*


I'll take some of that popcorn, thank you very much

[cee_dub2003]

This is such great information, I hardly know where to start. Let me get this straight. All anyone has to do is connect 4 tubes to a flange and (what is you called it?) an air chamber and viola--its instant intake manifold. I think that is exactly what the OEMs do-I mean why go to the trouble of hiring engineers with degrees in fluidynamics when you can get all the information you need on intake design right here from Mr. Pinkblade. Here is an offer of a free intake manifold since it is obvious you can't afford to buy one (despite a favorable bang/buck score). I will give you a free intake if you can tell me what the three forms of charge filling are associated with an intake design. You may have guessed by now that there is much more to an intake manifold than your previous description (we call the earlier comments sarcasm). I'll throw in a free long-tube header if you can tell me what the problem is asssociated with combining the three forms. You have all of the internet and every book ever written to source the information-you have 1 week.

PS-I welcome you to build your own manifold, start by running extensive testing on a minimum of 50 different intake combinations, then produce a 1st article and do a production run. You may want to check out the current cost of aluminum, welding time, fixture manufacturing, CNC machine work, tube bending, gaskets, vacuum and water lines to say nothing of your time. Please let me know if you can build an intake like this one for $250 so I can purchase them in bulk.



Richard are you saying you have done all that with the making of the Yaris Manifold? You showing a dyno must say there is a protoype of some sort!
You stated in the posting of the dyno! I quote"Here is the dyno grap of the stock vs new intake that was removed previously."

Is there a reason for not showing the one that was previously remove. To give the forum a better idea of what they are committing to?

Also quoting you from another post. "leaves me with no motor to develope the intake manifold-we have removed the damaged motor"

Develop an intake manifold? I thought by showing a dyno of the gains you would have a manifold?

I am just trying to put all this info together!

Please if you can explain!

thanks

[Return of the Yarii]

Richard Holdener has been around for many, many years and was an inspiration of mine back in the early 90's when he had his Vortech Supercharged Mustang Sedan. He also has built the fastest civic I believe and was ran on the salt flats. Although time in the industry isnt everything, take a look around and find out who you are accusing of not knowing anything. Richard has done more for the aftermarket indusrty then most of you younger people can imagine.

[Nexus1155]

was that the civic in a mag with the moon disc wheel covers ^^^ !!!!! if so i have that mag

[marcus]

i think this is him richard holdener before and after

[TheRealEnth]

I will give you a free intake if you can tell me what the three forms of charge filling are associated with an intake design. You may have guessed by now that there is much more to an intake manifold than your previous description (we call the earlier comments sarcasm). I'll throw in a free long-tube header if you can tell me what the problem is asssociated with combining the three forms. You have all of the internet and every book ever written to source the information-you have 1 week.


Ok Here i go... charge filling .. what is that layman's speak! The only 3 things you'll need are as follows: Duck Tape.. Aluminum.. and some more ducktape with coke... ok here i go

The problem with combining these 3 so called "charge fillings" is that.. As you many know, Coke doesn't go well with aluminum. So the trick is not to touch them. You get sheets of aluminum and put them in the right places... duck tape them together right? Then drink some coke along the way, but don't drink all of it you will need some later. Once you've buffed out the ruffs you add some more duck tape then buff again. Once it's all done.... You get the remaining coke, should be 240 ml of it. you pour some through the system and make sure there are no leaks. Bingo you've got yourself a beautiful top of the line intake manifold. The remaining coke is used to pour on the manifold itself as to give it a tint.(the coke can only go on at this point.. Before and it will destroy the aluminum.. after and it will not tint) Makes for a great tint for car shows... Viola!

P.S. does this mean ill be getting a mani and a header? Gosh Darnit I Hope so!

[PETERPOOP]

Our man Richard has done some boooks too...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Richard%20Holdener

A little more about the man..

http://www.cartechbooks.com/cartech//Holdener.gif

Richard Holdener was born in Washington D.C. but his family moved almost immediately to California. His first automotive experience came with his father at a car show. After viewing all of the elaborate horsepower hard-ware, Richard was hooked on going fast.

Richard’s garage has been home to a variety of high-performance machinery. The list includes a couple of Camaros, a Lotus-motored Jensen Healy, a 260 Z, a 230SL Mercedes, a 1972 911T, a blown crewcab Dualie, a pair of Hondas (one supercharged Civic Si), a Toyota Corolla, a Mercedes 450 SEL, and trio of hot motorcycles. First came the Honda 500 Interceptor, then the 600 Ninja, and finally the GSX-R750. Somewhere in all this madness came a 1965 Hipo GT and a trio of 5.0L Mustangs.

Richard’s first article came from his Mustang adventures at the Silver State. Since this initial coverage, Richard has contributed to numerous magazines, including Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords, Car Craft, Super Ford, Truckin’, Mustang Illustrated, Popular Hotrodding, Sport CompactCar, European Car, Pontiac Enthusiast, and many others.



I feel pretty confident with this guy and the manifold i'll be getting! :headbang::headbang:

[cali yaris]

TheRealEnth, I believe it is "duct" tape and not "duck" tape... no mani for you. :laugh:

[TheRealEnth]

Failed at life -.- =(

[cee_dub2003]

Wow thanks for all the info. nice info is.

[ZING]

Plus google corrects his name, magic I tell you.


http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee339/kaychian/richard.jpg

[cee_dub2003]

Man common guys those questions were for Richard to answer. I did do the google search to before i posted. I know his background which is very extensive and long. I commend Richard on his long track record and experience.

You guys turned my questions for him around into a "I don't know who Richard is thread" please stay on topic too...
I am fully aware who he is and have owned one of his books before ok!

I said i am just trying to put all the posts together. Is anyone really reading what I am asking.

[PETERPOOP]

he hasn't signed on yet today. he'll probably answer it when he gets on.

[kou]

Richard is busy making maifolds.

[richardholdener]

Design does include radiused entries (bellmouth tubing).

^^^i hope. but prob not. would increase cost unless its already done and factored in...

[richardholdener]

Second photo is actually Robery Pond who specializes in FE Ford motors-thats a 482 stroker than made 640 hp.

i think this is him richard holdener before and after

[richardholdener]

Please take a look at this and the other posts under intake manifold. The prototype has been tested the only necessary is to get the design to fit toproduce the production piece. Fitment will not change design parameters that produce desired power curve.

Richard are you saying you have done all that with the making of the Yaris Manifold? You showing a dyno must say there is a protoype of some sort!
You stated in the posting of the dyno! I quote"Here is the dyno grap of the stock vs new intake that was removed previously."

Is there a reason for not showing the one that was previously remove. To give the forum a better idea of what they are committing to?

Also quoting you from another post. "leaves me with no motor to develope the intake manifold-we have removed the damaged motor"

Develop an intake manifold? I thought by showing a dyno of the gains you would have a manifold?

I am just trying to put all this info together!

Please if you can explain!

thanks

[richardholdener]

We ran the Civic in Sept 08 at Speed Week (Bonnevile) and set a (2-way) new land speed record of 226.5 mph-making it still the world's fastest honda civic. PS-car was on track to run 235 mph but we broke a CV joint at the 4th mile marker (Bonneville is 5 miles in length). Pretty wild ride having the CV let go at 227 mph! Good in-car footage of parachute saving my bacon!

was that the civic in a mag with the moon disc wheel covers ^^^ !!!!! if so i have that mag

[richardholdener]

Actually you had it all right except its Pepsi and not Coke! NO mani for you!

Ok Here i go... charge filling .. what is that layman's speak! The only 3 things you'll need are as follows: Duck Tape.. Aluminum.. and some more ducktape with coke... ok here i go

The problem with combining these 3 so called "charge fillings" is that.. As you many know, Coke doesn't go well with aluminum. So the trick is not to touch them. You get sheets of aluminum and put them in the right places... duck tape them together right? Then drink some coke along the way, but don't drink all of it you will need some later. Once you've buffed out the ruffs you add some more duck tape then buff again. Once it's all done.... You get the remaining coke, should be 240 ml of it. you pour some through the system and make sure there are no leaks. Bingo you've got yourself a beautiful top of the line intake manifold. The remaining coke is used to pour on the manifold itself as to give it a tint.(the coke can only go on at this point.. Before and it will destroy the aluminum.. after and it will not tint) Makes for a great tint for car shows... Viola!

P.S. does this mean ill be getting a mani and a header? Gosh Darnit I Hope so!

[anonymous user]

I'd like to be added to this list please.
I'll take tiles 12 and $699 please (Oh, does that gameshow date me too far back?)

[PETERPOOP]

no you can't be added. i'm the only one allowed with this in hawaii. ;) j/j. Glad you are jumping on this!

[richardholdener]

Sorry I couldnot respond to any inquiries yesterday. I spent all day driving out to california (from Vegas) to pick up an all-aluminum 427 Ford, check on a 1000-hp 5.4L GT500 mod motor and revise the design of the LS1 cross ram intake we were getting ready for dyno and display at SEMA. Oh-the life of automotive rock star!

[eTiMaGo]

Richard,

Sounds like a tough job... Wanna trade and stay here in the tropics for a while? :biggrin:

[PETERPOOP]

Sorry I couldnot respond to any inquiries yesterday. I spent all day driving out to california (from Vegas) to pick up an all-aluminum 427 Ford, check on a 1000-hp 5.4L GT500 mod motor and revise the design of the LS1 cross ram intake we were getting ready for dyno and display at SEMA. Oh-the life of automotive rock star!

I didn't read anywhere in there that you have started our manifolds! doh. End of november right? :wink:

[richardholdener]

Schedule is to have intakes ready by end of Nov-just trying to get cros ram done and tested for SEMA right now-then we can do yaris intake.

I didn't read anywhere in there that you have started our manifolds! doh. End of november right? :wink:

[PETERPOOP]

Schedule is to have intakes ready by end of Nov-just trying to get cros ram done and tested for SEMA right now-then we can do yaris intake.

:headbang:

[at3GG]

I dunno about anyone else but if i was blade i would go lay down. It's not fun being broke as a joke (points to self) when something good comes up. But can't wait to hear results from all you guys on the list.

[WolfWings]

Wish this was the mid-range manifold, I'd be all over it like white on rice. I've no complaints once the rev's get up, I just wish the little 1.5er had a smidge more grunt sooner in the RPM's. Enjoy the high-end zing though, you lot that're buying one. S'just not something I'd get any real use out of, or I'd be joining you all in a heartbeat!

[cali yaris]

The difference was so small between the two designs, it really couldn't be a factor whether to buy one or not, IMO.

[blacksandiegovitz]

Add me too the list man , I down to buy one !

[cali yaris]

woo hoo, yeah!!

[PETERPOOP]

I think he said somewhere that this manifold will show gains after 2500rpms....

[blacksandiegovitz]

I think he said somewhere that this manifold will show gains after 2500rpms....

I was very impressed with the dyno chart for the manifold . Looks pretty smooth at low rpms not a huge gain , but thats to be expected with a big smim , they're pretty much about top end power . On high rpms this thing looks killer, like 20+ hp and tq thats nice . I was pretty set on the blitz Sc kit , but the gains with the manifold are very close at a fraction of the cost, and the fact that you can run this manifold with a set of underdrive pulleys is even better , as you can't run smaller pulleys with the blitz supercharger . Im looking foward to the finished manifold, should be great.

[PETERPOOP]

underdrive pulley, intake manifold, then turbo. oh yes it will be nice

[richardholdener]

Not to sound like I'm trying to sell the intake, but I don't understand this line of reasoning. Check out the graphs supplied on the intake manifold post and you will see that this design offered gains at 2500 rpm, 3500 rpm, 4000-6000 rpm. Since it never made any less power than the stock manifold, I don't understand why someone wouldn't be interested in having these gains. If it is a money issue-I fully understand, but since gains came as low as 2500 rpm, that is pretty usable. Even the extra torque at 3500 rpm and 4000 rpm (6-8 lbs ft.) are usable in every day driving.

Wish this was the mid-range manifold, I'd be all over it like white on rice. I've no complaints once the rev's get up, I just wish the little 1.5er had a smidge more grunt sooner in the RPM's. Enjoy the high-end zing though, you lot that're buying one. S'just not something I'd get any real use out of, or I'd be joining you all in a heartbeat!

[tk-421]

Not to sound like I'm trying to sell the intake, but I don't understand this line of reasoning. Check out the graphs supplied on the intake manifold post and you will see that this design offered gains at 2500 rpm, 3500 rpm, 4000-6000 rpm. Since it never made any less power than the stock manifold, I don't understand why someone wouldn't be interested in having these gains. If it is a money issue-I fully understand, but since gains came as low as 2500 rpm, that is pretty usable. Even the extra torque at 3500 rpm and 4000 rpm (6-8 lbs ft.) are usable in every day driving.

http://yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9642&stc=1&d=1224807838

I believe WolfWings was referring to the fact that the "midrange manifold" prototype showed higher low- and mid-range gains than the latest model. Judging from the above dyno graph, I'm thinking the gains at 2500RPM and 3500RPM should be barely noticeable under normal driving conditions, and that the really juicy stuff should kick in at 4K+ RPM, which is a territory that a lot of "point A to point B" folks don't usually tread under.

Again, I still consider this a worthwhile purchase, but I think more gains at the low- and mid-range would've been even better for people that spend most of their time in the street (i.e. between red lights, traffic, etc).

[cali yaris]

the really juicy stuff should kick in at 4K+ RPM, which is a territory that a lot of "point A to point B" folks don't usually tread under.

ah but they should -- the car is made for it!

[PETERPOOP]

heck yah. It's going to be great redlining this bad boy.

[TheRealEnth]

Yeah, what are these people talking about -laughs- this car is made for speed.... <3 But yeah this is a case of money. If i had 699 i would have been on the top of that list =(

[kou]

i am pretty sure that graph is a pretty stock yaris,so with other bolt-ons the power delivery will be different.and those jabs of tourqe at 2500,3500rpm. and yeah these little 4 bangers are made to rev.

[WolfWings]

I believe WolfWings was referring to the fact that the "midrange manifold" prototype showed higher low- and mid-range gains than the latest model. Judging from the above dyno graph, I'm thinking the gains at 2500RPM and 3500RPM should be barely noticeable under normal driving conditions, and that the really juicy stuff should kick in at 4K+ RPM, which is a territory that a lot of "point A to point B" folks don't usually tread under.

Bingo. My car's a DD that sees use at autocross, and my biggest wish is more grunt around the 2500-4000rpm range, since it's either stay in 2nd and go way up and down the RPM scale from 2000-redline as I go through the course, or bash my poor transmission to cinders slamming in and out of 1st gear ten or more times in a single 45-second run as I go in and out of corners. Even with my decent rev-matching, it's rough on the transmission.

Again, I still consider this a worthwhile purchase, but I think more gains at the low- and mid-range would've been even better for people that spend most of their time in the street (i.e. between red lights, traffic, etc).

Oh, I make no bones about complimenting this intake, it's wonderful looking for those that can hit open track day or for playing around on the highway where you can really unwind the decent legs on this motor. But for my particular performance-improvement goals (avoiding downshifting to 1st gear to deal with sub-25mph corners) it doesn't look like it would help that much compared to what I remember of the mid-range graph that had everything shoved about 500rpm to the left for HP, so torque was a notch higher down across the full low-range. Or was that some other dyno graph unrelated to any of these intakes?

[eTiMaGo]

Well, if I may share my 2 cents, I've had a lot of time to think about this conundrum...

As much as we want, we cannot expect any sensible improvement of low to mid-range torque with just bolt-on NA mods. You must realize that a 1.5L engine can only do so much. Sure, you could get higher compression pistons, a stroker kit and maybe some new cams, but AFAIK those also really come into their own at high RPMs.

The reason is, sadly, there is no replacement for displacement. You cannot expect the torque of a bigger engine, it's just not gonna happen. You won't see Pee-Wee Herman bench pressing 300lb, you won't see a 1NZ with V8 torque... :biggrin:

So, one must realize this intake manifold is not some magical end-all solution to more power. If the best results are a pretty sizeable increase of torque from 2500RPM onward, then I think it is correct for the manufacturer to maximize on this.

This means that yes, on the street, if you drive in a calm and "normal" manner, you'd never really see an advantage. This intake manifold will really come into its own where it is designed to, at high RPMs, so it will be of most use to those who really race their cars, be it on a track or autocross.
It was said in a previous post, or one that was lost with the hack, but this manifold could be compared to a "bolt-on VTEC", as it gives the engine the ability to keep revving far better than stock. And, as with VTEC, the love-hate relationship is that you have to keep the engine at high RPMs to get good power output from it.

If you really want more low-end torque, the most effective solution is more displacement. This is where forced induction comes in, as it can be considered "virtual displacement" :biggrin: (think about this... normal atmospheric pressure is what, 14psi? a turbo running at 7psi is thus forcing in 50% more of atmospheric pressure, thus giving your engine characteristics of one that is 50% larger, or 2.2L. Of course, this is a very rough generalization, kinda like giving steroids to Pee-Wee!). This is why superchargers excel in this area, they start shoving in more air as soon as the engine is moving, same thing with small, responsive turbos that may not create massive boost, but can start to supply it quite early.

There you have it... If you seriously want more low end torque, go for a small turbo or supercharger. Of course, it's $3000 vs $700, I think that's also an important reason why many are wishing for a "low RPM" version of the intake.

I'm in no way an engine expert, so feel free to pick apart what I've just written :biggrin:

[at3GG]

No thanks, I'll take your word for it :wink:

[PETERPOOP]

Well I'll start by saying, You just compared our engines to Pee Wee Herman!!! ahaha

[Yoda]

you were right on it man. couldnt have said it better

[cleong]

I have to say that the pinnacle of NA engineering was when Honda put out their B16 series with 100bhp/litre (Toyota did the same with their 20V 4A-GE). Since then, emissions legislation has conspired to neuter that down to between 100hp to 120hp for the 1600cc class.

Even then, these engines lived for the high RPM, you wouldn't see great torque numbers out of the 4A-GE or the B16; they had to have their tits revved right off to get the horsepower numbers, along with valve timing trickery.

With our 1NZ engines, they're fundamentally economy-biased engines, and its a hard ask to make them put out torque and horsepower numbers like the 20V 4A-GEs, or the B16 lumps. I'd be glad to get 135hp out of my 1NZ. It'd leave my car feeling like it was an ideal balance between its suspension and brake capabilities, and the power that it puts out. Until then I would still be tempted by whatever that comes along that promises a horsepower hike.

I'm still interested in this intake manifold; and now that there is more than 10 people who have declared that they are willing to lay down the $700, I'm waiting to see it come to fruition, and hoping that Richard will continue to manufacture these manifolds if they're all that they are cracked up to be.

[richardholdener]

If we got enough owners to step up to the mid-range version (I will post power grpahs tonight), the I could do a production run of those as well and you guys could choose. This could only be realistic if we got another list filled for those wanting mid-range version. Let me know what you guys think.

Bingo. My car's a DD that sees use at autocross, and my biggest wish is more grunt around the 2500-4000rpm range, since it's either stay in 2nd and go way up and down the RPM scale from 2000-redline as I go through the course, or bash my poor transmission to cinders slamming in and out of 1st gear ten or more times in a single 45-second run as I go in and out of corners. Even with my decent rev-matching, it's rough on the transmission.



Oh, I make no bones about complimenting this intake, it's wonderful looking for those that can hit open track day or for playing around on the highway where you can really unwind the decent legs on this motor. But for my particular performance-improvement goals (avoiding downshifting to 1st gear to deal with sub-25mph corners) it doesn't look like it would help that much compared to what I remember of the mid-range graph that had everything shoved about 500rpm to the left for HP, so torque was a notch higher down across the full low-range. Or was that some other dyno graph unrelated to any of these intakes?

[PETERPOOP]

Here's your guys chance. He called the bluff. Put yourselves on that list.

[tk-421]

If we got enough owners to step up to the mid-range version (I will post power grpahs tonight), the I could do a production run of those as well and you guys could choose. This could only be realistic if we got another list filled for those wanting mid-range version. Let me know what you guys think.

That would be great! :thumbsup:

[justjesus]

That would be great!
Do you still have graphs available for the mid-range mani by any chance?

Im guessing he does :) as he said, "I will post power <graphs> tonight"
YAYY

[Yoda]

how long would it take to produce the mid range? it sounds real good

[WolfWings]

I'll pony up $800 for the mid-range version if my memory of the graphs is accurate. It may well be that eTiMaGo is entirely accurate (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=164292&postcount=174) and that the mid-range-optimized intake is a waste of resources. I've layed out my hopes, Richard seems to understand and be willing to offer up the mid-range as a response, so I believe my memory was at least mostly accurate based on Richard's response. But I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is. =^.^=

[Klink10]

Thank you Richard for the decision...I feel better about this knowing that my race days are long over and just wanted the added punch for the low to mid range. Either way anything is better but a choice is very nice.

[Yoda]

yea i can get alot more use out of the mid range. I drive city and i shift well before 6krpm like 4 tru 4.5k. I hardly ever get it runnig all the way up not racing anyone and i am really still not getting anywhere fast. Would rather feel it without my car screaming down the streets attracting cops. Will pony up for mid.Wanna start the second list? lol

[PETERPOOP]

He's busy at SEMA. He'll probably respond a little later.

[WolfWings]

Started the mid-range list. Click here and go add yourself to it if you'd rather have the mid-range. (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10356) I'll note if you already signed up for the top-end intake as well on my mid-range list.

[tk-421]

Im guessing he does :) as he said, "I will post power <graphs> tonight"
YAYY
oops! guess i missed that part :smoking:

[PHXDEMON]

Well, if I may share my 2 cents, I've had a lot of time to think about this conundrum...

As much as we want, we cannot expect any sensible improvement of low to mid-range torque with just bolt-on NA mods. You must realize that a 1.5L engine can only do so much. Sure, you could get higher compression pistons, a stroker kit and maybe some new cams, but AFAIK those also really come into their own at high RPMs.

The reason is, sadly, there is no replacement for displacement. You cannot expect the torque of a bigger engine, it's just not gonna happen. You won't see Pee-Wee Herman bench pressing 300lb, you won't see a 1NZ with V8 torque... :biggrin:

So, one must realize this intake manifold is not some magical end-all solution to more power. If the best results are a pretty sizeable increase of torque from 2500RPM onward, then I think it is correct for the manufacturer to maximize on this.

This means that yes, on the street, if you drive in a calm and "normal" manner, you'd never really see an advantage. This intake manifold will really come into its own where it is designed to, at high RPMs, so it will be of most use to those who really race their cars, be it on a track or autocross.
It was said in a previous post, or one that was lost with the hack, but this manifold could be compared to a "bolt-on VTEC", as it gives the engine the ability to keep revving far better than stock. And, as with VTEC, the love-hate relationship is that you have to keep the engine at high RPMs to get good power output from it.

If you really want more low-end torque, the most effective solution is more displacement. This is where forced induction comes in, as it can be considered "virtual displacement" :biggrin: (think about this... normal atmospheric pressure is what, 14psi? a turbo running at 7psi is thus forcing in 50% more of atmospheric pressure, thus giving your engine characteristics of one that is 50% larger, or 2.2L. Of course, this is a very rough generalization, kinda like giving steroids to Pee-Wee!). This is why superchargers excel in this area, they start shoving in more air as soon as the engine is moving, same thing with small, responsive turbos that may not create massive boost, but can start to supply it quite early.

There you have it... If you seriously want more low end torque, go for a small turbo or supercharger. Of course, it's $3000 vs $700, I think that's also an important reason why many are wishing for a "low RPM" version of the intake.

I'm in no way an engine expert, so feel free to pick apart what I've just written :biggrin:

:clap: I agree 100%

[CASTREX]

Teaser Pic.

This is the LS1/LS2 GM Manifold that Richard just finished for SEMA

Of course it doesn't look anything like ours but it shows the quality we can expect for the Yaris unit.

:drool:
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq175/castrex/LS1LS2GM.jpg

[ChinoCharles]

Holy sheep shit.

[PETERPOOP]

Man I CAN'T wait. 25 more days until completion.

[kou]

:burnrubber:

[ChinoCharles]

I have literally forgone food and drink saving for this manifold. I cannot wait man.

[PETERPOOP]

yah seriously. i put all my airsoft guns up for sale. they aren't offerring me enough for them though. Hmm. Plan B


*However the company i works for gets a bonus safety check at the end of the year at the christmas company party. That is how I will be paying for this!

[pinoypizzaboy]

I already sold $700 worth of pizzas.. Can't wait. That gm manifold those are itbs right?? :drool:

[CASTREX]

Yeap those are ITB's.

Some day boy, some day! we will have something like that. :biggrin:

[pinoypizzaboy]

whatever Richard makes for us itbs or turbo I will buy. :smile:

[Galavoxx]

I hope he does, and I'm the one selling them.

Hey Cali, is he really going to be making more than just the ten? I would love to buy one but my bank account is recovering from getting married. If you are getting some of these what's your time frame after this initial 10 are produced?

[cali yaris]

I'll talk to him again -- I'm working on having the production run include some extras for me to carry in my store. stay tuned... (so to speak)

[mikenacarato]

hold crap ITBs would be so awesome!

[Galavoxx]

I'll talk to him again -- I'm working on having the production run include some extras for me to carry in my store. stay tuned... (so to speak)

Thanks for the info. I will have one of these!!! ...and hopefully a turbo. :biggrin:

[at3GG]

I really hope he gets a small supply of these so I can save up for one.

[richardholdener]

I probably shot myself in the foot for offering the mid-range manifold, but the comparison does deserve a little insight. Actually, it is possible to significantly increase the torque production at lower engine speeds using the proper intake design. The problem associated with this is that there is almost always a trade off in power at higher engine speeds. The intake is literally tuned to maximize torque production at a given engine speed. It may be possible to give big gains at 3000 rpm but it may also cost power at 5000-6000 rpm(menaing it may make less power than the stock intake). I doubt this is acceptable. I will run a few more tests on the mid-range version and see if there is a happy medium that is better than my previous results. Also I saw posts on difference between Hp & Tq, but in reality to the are mathematically related and any given torque value will have a corresponding HP value at a given engine speed. Tq is simply work or force and HP is that work or force applied over time. In a drag race scenario (or simple acceleration) the intake that will provide the best acceleration time is the one that offers the most average power over the rpm spread required. In the case of the Yaris, this means WOT at 4000 rpm to 6000+ rpm-except in 1st gear.

Well, if I may share my 2 cents, I've had a lot of time to think about this conundrum...

As much as we want, we cannot expect any sensible improvement of low to mid-range torque with just bolt-on NA mods. You must realize that a 1.5L engine can only do so much. Sure, you could get higher compression pistons, a stroker kit and maybe some new cams, but AFAIK those also really come into their own at high RPMs.

The reason is, sadly, there is no replacement for displacement. You cannot expect the torque of a bigger engine, it's just not gonna happen. You won't see Pee-Wee Herman bench pressing 300lb, you won't see a 1NZ with V8 torque... :biggrin:

So, one must realize this intake manifold is not some magical end-all solution to more power. If the best results are a pretty sizeable increase of torque from 2500RPM onward, then I think it is correct for the manufacturer to maximize on this.

This means that yes, on the street, if you drive in a calm and "normal" manner, you'd never really see an advantage. This intake manifold will really come into its own where it is designed to, at high RPMs, so it will be of most use to those who really race their cars, be it on a track or autocross.
It was said in a previous post, or one that was lost with the hack, but this manifold could be compared to a "bolt-on VTEC", as it gives the engine the ability to keep revving far better than stock. And, as with VTEC, the love-hate relationship is that you have to keep the engine at high RPMs to get good power output from it.

If you really want more low-end torque, the most effective solution is more displacement. This is where forced induction comes in, as it can be considered "virtual displacement" :biggrin: (think about this... normal atmospheric pressure is what, 14psi? a turbo running at 7psi is thus forcing in 50% more of atmospheric pressure, thus giving your engine characteristics of one that is 50% larger, or 2.2L. Of course, this is a very rough generalization, kinda like giving steroids to Pee-Wee!). This is why superchargers excel in this area, they start shoving in more air as soon as the engine is moving, same thing with small, responsive turbos that may not create massive boost, but can start to supply it quite early.

There you have it... If you seriously want more low end torque, go for a small turbo or supercharger. Of course, it's $3000 vs $700, I think that's also an important reason why many are wishing for a "low RPM" version of the intake.

I'm in no way an engine expert, so feel free to pick apart what I've just written :biggrin:

[Yoda]

welcome back

[cali yaris]

hehe, yeah!

[mikenacarato]

well if the mid range manifold turns out to not be as great, i would love to get a high range manifold, the problem is i came onto this forum late and was unaware of this buy in and dont have the money immediately to do it. will you be offering this manifold one time only or will you produce more as the demand presses on?

[PETERPOOP]

HIGH RANGE MANIFOLD FTW! Can't wait!!!! RAAAHH!!

[sdyaris]

Can someone repost the dyno's for the two intakes? I know there was a post on it pre-hack. Would be nice to have some reference again.

[WolfWings]

If you'd rather, Richard, I'll pull my list and drop the topic for now. I don't want to turn this into a huge headache for you. If it's getting there, like I said a few times in the mid-range thread I'm okay with the mid-range not happening.

[WolfWings]

Can someone repost the dyno's for the two intakes? I know there was a post on it pre-hack. Would be nice to have some reference again.

I will run a few more tests on the mid-range version and see if there is a happy medium that is better than my previous results.

Since Richard's going to make newer tests, I think posting the old mid-range graph would just confuse matters.

[richardholdener]

Now that SEMA nonsense is over, I can get the Yaris and start making the production piece. I will keep you guys posted on the progress. I am starting with the high-horsepower version first and only if demand warrants, possibly follow up with mid-range.


Since Richard's going to make newer tests, I think posting the old mid-range graph would just confuse matters.

[PETERPOOP]

can't wait can't wait

[Yoda]

can't wait +10 hp ftw

[tk-421]

can't wait for the graphs to be posted :biggrin:

[pinoypizzaboy]

i already sold $700 worth of $5.00 pizza mias. cant wait!!

[Ranggarn]

Ummm.. I am a real "banause" when it comes to engine and mechanical components. I've been away for a long time (absent from yarisworld) but now that I have returned and rekindled myself with these posts... I gotta say wow. For 700 bucks I was thinking man, I need to get in on this. So if it is possible to add another person to the list... please do so if the following conditions aren't going to become obstacles:
1. I live in Australia, the engines are the same and I hope that the engine bays are the same.
2. Shipping costs: With such an order I was wondering whether it would be possible to ship the manifold to Australia. I'm guessing that shipment would cost somewhere around 300-500 US dollars? Not really sure I have never tackled such an order before.
3. Banause: Yes I am the village idiot when it comes to installing stuff on my Yaris. I am like a movie producer, I find stuff and combine them to make the ultimate block buster movie: I didn't act or direct or do anything fancy to lightning and sound effects, but I reap the benefits! (Ok a little too dramatic, but you get the gist.. please?). I know you supply a step by step manual (with pictures!), and I won't be the one doing the install, but granted that the workshop I want to install the manifold for me aren't total idiots I should be able to drive around with more POWARRRRR under my hood yes? (yes!)

So please, If you have time to review my comment then let me know if it is still alright to be added to the list if the aforementioned criteria are met. Thanks Richard!

[Thej3sta2]

Yo you have a whole list of people we getting pics anytime soon?

[CASTREX]

Ummm.. I am a real "banause" when it comes to engine and mechanical components. I've been away for a long time (absent from yarisworld) but now that I have returned and rekindled myself with these posts... I gotta say wow. For 700 bucks I was thinking man, I need to get in on this. So if it is possible to add another person to the list... please do so if the following conditions aren't going to become obstacles:
1. I live in Australia, the engines are the same and I hope that the engine bays are the same.
2. Shipping costs: With such an order I was wondering whether it would be possible to ship the manifold to Australia. I'm guessing that shipment would cost somewhere around 300-500 US dollars? Not really sure I have never tackled such an order before.
3. Banause: Yes I am the village idiot when it comes to installing stuff on my Yaris. I am like a movie producer, I find stuff and combine them to make the ultimate block buster movie: I didn't act or direct or do anything fancy to lightning and sound effects, but I reap the benefits! (Ok a little too dramatic, but you get the gist.. please?). I know you supply a step by step manual (with pictures!), and I won't be the one doing the install, but granted that the workshop I want to install the manifold for me aren't total idiots I should be able to drive around with more POWARRRRR under my hood yes? (yes!)

So please, If you have time to review my comment then let me know if it is still alright to be added to the list if the aforementioned criteria are met. Thanks Richard!

You should contact CALIYARIS (Garm) he probably can help you work out the shipment. I think he has shipped stuff to Australia before.

[richardholdener]

The first production run of intakes willbemore than the number of people on the list, so please add your name. Installation is easy and comes with instaructions so that should not be a problem. Not sure on shipping and import tax to AUS.

Ummm.. I am a real "banause" when it comes to engine and mechanical components. I've been away for a long time (absent from yarisworld) but now that I have returned and rekindled myself with these posts... I gotta say wow. For 700 bucks I was thinking man, I need to get in on this. So if it is possible to add another person to the list... please do so if the following conditions aren't going to become obstacles:
1. I live in Australia, the engines are the same and I hope that the engine bays are the same.
2. Shipping costs: With such an order I was wondering whether it would be possible to ship the manifold to Australia. I'm guessing that shipment would cost somewhere around 300-500 US dollars? Not really sure I have never tackled such an order before.
3. Banause: Yes I am the village idiot when it comes to installing stuff on my Yaris. I am like a movie producer, I find stuff and combine them to make the ultimate block buster movie: I didn't act or direct or do anything fancy to lightning and sound effects, but I reap the benefits! (Ok a little too dramatic, but you get the gist.. please?). I know you supply a step by step manual (with pictures!), and I won't be the one doing the install, but granted that the workshop I want to install the manifold for me aren't total idiots I should be able to drive around with more POWARRRRR under my hood yes? (yes!)

So please, If you have time to review my comment then let me know if it is still alright to be added to the list if the aforementioned criteria are met. Thanks Richard!

[marcus]

$700.00 for 10 extra hp.. intake and exhaust may bring it up to 120 hp which may beat the new FIT power band!....interesting..

[Yoda]

yea that new fit comes with 117hp i believe. :(

[kou]

if all the #'s are right. we should looking at 125whp with intake, header, full 2'' exhaust,pulleys and this manifold

[richardholdener]

Please don't speculate about power numbers using the intake-that is why I provided the power graph. No one has produced anwhere near 125 wheel hp in NA form. I posted a graph previously where we made 120 wheel hp using a version of the intake, CAI, no exhaust (just a down pipe) and the stock ex man. It may be possible to get to 125 wheel hp, but it will likely take a long-tube header (which does not exist as of yet) and underdrive pulleys (assuming they are worth power). Your typical CAI, axle back and this intake will be closer to 115 wheel hp.

if all the #'s are right. we should looking at 125whp with intake, header, full 2'' exhaust,pulleys and this manifold

[Nexus1155]

less rotational mass, so they must have some gain? If that is considered rotational mass? Pulleys that is!

[cali yaris]

I can handle the shipping to Australia. 10 pounds shipped USPS Priority International is about $60. (I'm guessing it would be about 10 pounds packed).

[kou]

Please don't speculate about power numbers using the intake-that is why I provided the power graph. No one has produced anwhere near 125 wheel hp in NA form. I posted a graph previously where we made 120 wheel hp using a version of the intake, CAI, no exhaust (just a down pipe) and the stock ex man. It may be possible to get to 125 wheel hp, but it will likely take a long-tube header (which does not exist as of yet) and underdrive pulleys (assuming they are worth power). Your typical CAI, axle back and this intake will be closer to 115 wheel hp.

sorry Richard,maybe i am just getting to excited. instead of an axle back how much hp can be gained from full 2'' header back exhaust.

[richardholdener]

The real gains from underdrive pulleys comes not from the change in weight but from a reduction in the speed of the accessories. This assumes the pulleys have changed dimension (smaller on crank or larger on accessory). From my testing on other applications, a lighter weight pulley will offer little if any power gain-you need to slow down the speed of the water pump, ps pump, alt etc.. to realize significant gains.

less rotational mass, so they must have some gain? If that is considered rotational mass? Pulleys that is!

[richardholdener]

The 120 wheel hp run was made with no exhaust after the custom downpipe, so that is about as free flowing as you can get.

sorry Richard,maybe i am just getting to excited. instead of an axle back how much hp can be gained from full 2'' header back exhaust.

[Ranggarn]

Ok if someone could please add me to the list then = )

[PETERPOOP]

Yah if there is any confusion, the intake manifold he did on the 120whp run isn't the version we will be getting.

He emailed me this awhile ago when I asked him if i could reach 120whp with underdrive pulley, lightweight alt pulley, lightweight waterpump pulley, AEM intake, axleback...

"The 120 hp run was made to see if we could reach that power level. The mods included light weight oil, a custom version of the intake tuned speficially for that purpose and a custom downpipe withno cat and no cat-back exhaust. We also tuned the length of the CAI/MAF assembly so it is doubtful that you will reach the 120 wheel hp level with the mods you described."

yea that new fit comes with 117hp i believe. :(

I don't think it's to the wheels.

[richardholdener]

Did anyone add this gentleman to the list? Test Yaris is being delivered tonight so we can start on production intake tomorrow. Will keep you posted and suply photos as soon as it is ready.

Ok if someone could please add me to the list then = )

[PETERPOOP]

"Kou" has to do it since he's thread maker. Unless a mod will do it until Kou signs on and realizes this..

Can't wait! Can't wait! Can't wait!

[kou]

he has been added.

[kou]

hope they started production today.can't wait.

[at3GG]

the new fit is 117 engine hp. It was 109 before right? so +8 at the engine maybe +7 at the wheels. I wouldn't be too worried. I'm pretty sure the older models make a tad less or jsut the same as our yaris at the wheels so this new model should only be 6 or so whp more than ours is now.

[PETERPOOP]

i'm not worried at all. and the fits weigh more..

[Jerkratt]

if only i had the money i would be sooooo happy lol

[richardholdener]

I made an intake for the Honda Fit as well,but so far the gains have not been as good as with the yaris. I need to be able to control the variable cam timing ont he Fit to optimize the intake (I think).

[PETERPOOP]

Nah, you're over the fit. Stick to the yaris! ;) Turbo kit coming up?

[blacksandiegovitz]

OMFG ! Everyday I think about how freaking sweetass this manifold is gonna be on the yaris , the top end power+ the amazing sound of a sheet metal intake manifold = KILLER ! So when should the final product be ready to sell/ship out ??? Please dont rush . I'd just like a "ball-park" time frame. Thanks again and look foward to installing this manifold .

[PETERPOOP]

he said ship out at the end of november

[cali yaris]

Richard, I'll give you a MILLION dollars to drop the Fit project... :rolleyes:

[RagnaCaT]

Richard, I'll give you a MILLION dollars to drop the Fit project... :rolleyes:

+1 Got to make Group BuyOUT the end that project!

[Yoda]

the fits are just a tad bit faster than our yaris. I drove one the other day and man i love the gearing on it.

[PETERPOOP]

our yaris? or your yaris. ;)

[cali yaris]

he fits are just a tad bit faster than our yaris.

Not at the track. I beat those guys with minimal mods on my car.

[PETERPOOP]

1/4 mile track?

[richardholdener]

I don't think a million dollars will cover it-do you know how big the Honda Fit market is? Actually, the best intake has been for the Miata-that one offer the best power gains of any motor yet.

Richard, I'll give you a MILLION dollars to drop the Fit project... :rolleyes:

[mikenacarato]

so is the midrange manifold going to be dropped?