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CKaelin · 05-19-2009, 11:34 AM

Isn't it great that our cars already meet these standards? I don't understand the statement I heard on the news this morning. "The new standards will cost the average American car owner $3500?" WRONG!

mrbond · 05-19-2009, 11:47 AM

Well, not all cars meet these standards - suv's for example...and crown victorias, etc.
That is bull what that quote says. Clearly it was made by a very anti-progressive individual who is still very pro-oil industry.

Zaphod · 05-19-2009, 11:54 AM

Isn't that only for new cars?

I don't see how this will cost the average American car owner $3500.

marcus · 05-19-2009, 11:56 AM

thats if we make in in 2016.. still have 12/21/2012 to worry about..lolz.

ka0sx · 05-19-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus

thats if we make in in 2016.. still have 12/21/2012 to worry about..lolz.

oh you mean the end of the Maya calendar?
I recommend reading "mysteries of 2012" its a good read provides evidence in both directions.

however i am concerned about the polar switch and the solar cycle at that time.

however i think that standard should have been implemented earlier. Government is always slow to act when corporate interest is involved, unless that corporate interest is now in the governments hands.

marcus · 05-19-2009, 12:42 PM

2012 gives me a shiver... earth misallignment,, or aliens comes back and take over the world..they have been here before and visited many times..." i believe "..lolz. i think im watching too many x-files.

eTiMaGo · 05-19-2009, 12:47 PM

they'll just come for you only, marcus

marcus · 05-19-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

they'll just come for you only, marcus

cool... i dont mind really i have been dying to meet them..atleast i know there real b4 i die..or maybe if they take me ill live forever.. cant wait to see toyota yaris 3000 model..lolz.

SeaYa · 05-19-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaphod

I don't see how this will cost the average American car owner $3500.

Funny, a BBC article ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8056908.stm )said the cars will cost $1300 more to make...so if the $3500 is in fact accurate...guess who's pocketing $2200

...not that I trust the BBC anymore than...well....anything.

And yes, they seem to ignore that driving a more fuel efficient vehicle will save you money on fuel vs. a less efficient vehicle.

Thirty-Nine · 05-19-2009, 02:04 PM

I wrote a little editorial on this on my Blog. Check it out and feel free to comment:

http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...ards-good.html

daf62757 · 05-19-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus

2012 gives me a shiver... earth misallignment,, or aliens comes back and take over the world..they have been here before and visited many times..." i believe "..lolz. i think im watching too many x-files.

Al Gore has already landed....and the worse is yet to come!

ka0sx · 05-19-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by daf62757

Al Gore has already landed....and the worse is yet to come!

I have one word. MAN-BEAR-PIG

Phaeton · 05-19-2009, 07:48 PM

I hope I'm wrong on this one, but I have the feeling the automakers will start trying to market suv's and full size trucks more since they won't have to get as good mileage.

GeneW · 05-19-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CKaelin

Isn't it great that our cars already meet these standards? I don't understand the statement I heard on the news this morning. "The new standards will cost the average American car owner $3500?" WRONG!

If they want a car the size of which they're accustomed I think that figure is probably "fair".

I think that smaller cars will RISE in cost because they are not especially profitable. Economies of scale aside, Toyota is ruthless about reducing "muda" or waste but even they don't make Yaris in the US.

So I think we're gonna see a very modest increase in the price of smaller cars, and a lot of "hybrids" which will not be too cheap. On average I bet we will see an increase up to around $3500 if not more.

Gene

GeneW · 05-19-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbond

Clearly it was made by a very anti-progressive individual who is still very pro-oil industry.

Why do you assume that anyone who isn't "green" is being bought off by some "business interest"?

Gene

tuckevalastin · 05-19-2009, 10:55 PM

These new standards mean that every automaker must average 35mpg between all the cars they sell. Its not about specific models and carmakers are going to have to up the efficiency of all models to up the average or are going to have to start making more of the efficient cars and less of the non efficient ones. Therefore the price of all models will go up. So will it cost all new car buyers thousands YES!

As for the standards I'm completely against them. I don't have a problem with wanting to lower our foreign oil dependence or our co2 emmisions but we should have the freedom to drive what we like even if it has a V8!

daf62757 · 05-19-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

I hope I'm wrong on this one, but I have the feeling the automakers will start trying to market suv's and full size trucks more since they won't have to get as good mileage.

Yeah...and?????

Don't you think people need those for their personal use?

TLyttle · 05-19-2009, 11:54 PM

Personal use? You mean like the WallyWorld lot full of these pigs, as Mommie goes in to buy the latest pile of Chinese-made junk? Ah, yes, THAT personal use, I saw that the other day...

My hope is that regs like that force this Continent into EVs of some type, hopefully putting an end to the bizarre traffic systems now in place. Every time they show a gridlock on an 8-lane highway (remember that the 8-lane was supposed to cure the gridlock on the previous 4-lane), with heatwaves radiating off the bumper-to-bumper traffic, I think, "something MUST be done, and soon..."

05-19-2009, 11:34 AM	#1
CKaelin Drives: 2008 Yaris LB 5 speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 140	2016 US FE standards! Isn't it great that our cars already meet these standards? I don't understand the statement I heard on the news this morning. "The new standards will cost the average American car owner $3500?" WRONG! __________________ My other ride's a Gixxer!

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mrbond View User's Garage Drives: 2008 meteorite hatchback Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 960	Well, not all cars meet these standards - suv's for example...and crown victorias, etc. That is bull what that quote says. Clearly it was made by a very anti-progressive individual who is still very pro-oil industry. __________________ - HOOOEY! That's one tahny little cawr! What the heck kinda toy is that? - A Toyota Yaris - A whut Yaris?

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eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	they'll just come for you only, marcus __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

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Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	I wrote a little editorial on this on my Blog. Check it out and feel free to comment: http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...ards-good.html __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

05-19-2009, 10:55 PM	#16
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	These new standards mean that every automaker must average 35mpg between all the cars they sell. Its not about specific models and carmakers are going to have to up the efficiency of all models to up the average or are going to have to start making more of the efficient cars and less of the non efficient ones. Therefore the price of all models will go up. So will it cost all new car buyers thousands YES! As for the standards I'm completely against them. I don't have a problem with wanting to lower our foreign oil dependence or our co2 emmisions but we should have the freedom to drive what we like even if it has a V8! __________________

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Zaphod Drives: Big Yellow Join Date: May 2009 Location: Somewhere in the vacinity of Betelgeuse Posts: 179	Isn't that only for new cars? I don't see how this will cost the average American car owner $3500.

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marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	thats if we make in in 2016.. still have 12/21/2012 to worry about..lolz.

05-19-2009, 12:42 PM	#6
marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	2012 gives me a shiver... earth misallignment,, or aliens comes back and take over the world..they have been here before and visited many times..." i believe "..lolz. i think im watching too many x-files.

05-19-2009, 07:48 PM	#13
Phaeton View User's Garage Drives: Blazing Blue Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Port Angeles, Wa Posts: 385	I hope I'm wrong on this one, but I have the feeling the automakers will start trying to market suv's and full size trucks more since they won't have to get as good mileage.

05-19-2009, 11:54 PM	#18
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Personal use? You mean like the WallyWorld lot full of these pigs, as Mommie goes in to buy the latest pile of Chinese-made junk? Ah, yes, THAT personal use, I saw that the other day... My hope is that regs like that force this Continent into EVs of some type, hopefully putting an end to the bizarre traffic systems now in place. Every time they show a gridlock on an 8-lane highway (remember that the 8-lane was supposed to cure the gridlock on the previous 4-lane), with heatwaves radiating off the bumper-to-bumper traffic, I think, "something MUST be done, and soon..."

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