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cali yaris · 11-20-2008, 03:46 PM

I took Graduate level Statistics, and one quote has stayed with me ever since:

"If you torture the data, it will confess to anything"

jkuchta · 11-20-2008, 03:51 PM

No...the poll is illegitimate because the questions that were asked were not true to begin with (how can you correctly answer a question that is incorrect?), and the questions were posed in such a way as to elicit a certain response:

If you were a McCain supporter, and the question asked: "Did John McCain start his political career in the living room of two former members of the Weather Underground?" you would answer no also...because 1) McCain did not start his political career in the living room of two former members of the Weather Underground, and 2) If you did not know the answer, you would say 'no' because you don't want to associate your candidate with a subversive movement.

The questions were formulated to elicit a specific response from a majority of those polled. They were engineered well.

jkuchta · 11-20-2008, 03:52 PM

Very true Cali!

....Another good one is "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics"

KCALB SIRAY · 11-20-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkuchta

No...the poll is illegitimate because the questions that were asked were not true to begin with (how can you correctly answer a question that is incorrect?), and the questions were posed in such a way as to elicit a certain response:

If you were a McCain supporter, and the question asked: "Did John McCain start his political career in the living room of two former members of the Weather Underground?" you would answer no also...because 1) McCain did not start his political career in the living room of two former members of the Weather Underground, and 2) If you did not know the answer, you would say 'no' because you don't want to associate your candidate with a subversive movement.

The questions were formulated to elicit a specific response from a majority of those polled. They were engineered well.

would you have passed this survey if it were given to you?

jkuchta · 11-20-2008, 03:57 PM

You're missing the point...

The survey's questions are false, so a negative answer is recorded as incorrect (even though it is the true answer).

If this Survey's questions had been fact-checked...I'm sure you'd find that most people actually scored quite well.

KCALB SIRAY · 11-20-2008, 04:03 PM

http://www.zogby.com/news/wf-dfs.pdf

Here, the questions asked were pretty straight forward. There was more than two options to answer other than yes and no. I'm assuming you would have passed the test, why? Cause you did your homework and were not influenced by the media. That was the purpose of this survey. I'm glad you are one of the people that actually did avoid the media. This is an assumption based on your posts so far.

KCALB SIRAY · 11-20-2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

The poll isn't illegitimate just because you voted for Obama...

And seriously, you've resorted to name calling...

Wow, I missed that one.

Meh, it's his/her choice, not what I'd expect though going forward.

jkuchta · 11-20-2008, 04:25 PM

Well I'm sorry, but to treat this survey as anything other than propaganda you'd need to be a sucker.

PaidTimeOff · 11-20-2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

You yourself can claim to be an informed voter, but that's it... The fact is the uninformed McCain supporters were out numbered by the uninformed Obama supporters.

There is no proof of your statement. Why? Because these "nonpartisan" pollers only polled one side. That's the only problem I have with this. If we can't compare the two sides, claiming that one side is this way or that from the other is completely baseless.

PaidTimeOff · 11-20-2008, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

The poll isn't illegitimate just because you voted for Obama...

And seriously, you've resorted to name calling...

The poll also isn't given legitimacy just because you voted for McCain... It works both ways.

contraband831 · 11-20-2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCALB SIRAY

http://www.zogby.com/news/wf-dfs.pdf

Here, the questions asked were pretty straight forward. There was more than two options to answer other than yes and no.

It looks like a lot of people answered with "Not Sure" , but for the most part the runner up was usually the correct answer. I think the survey is fairly small 512 participants out of how many voters?
LOL! at the question regarding if they shop at Wal-Mart or are Nascar fans, come on now, if they had asked more nascar fans these questions, This survey would have been the perfect

KCALB SIRAY · 11-20-2008, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by contraband831

It looks like a lot of people answered with "Not Sure" , but for the most part the runner up was usually the correct answer. I think the survey is fairly small 512 participants out of how many voters?
LOL! at the question regarding if they shop at Wal-Mart or are Nascar fans, come on now, if they had asked more nascar fans these questions, This survey would have been the perfect

Ricky Bobby, Ricky Bobby

contraband831 · 11-20-2008, 06:33 PM

Shake N' Bake

Malaya1221 · 11-20-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkuchta

....if you walk into a room and can't figure out within 5 minutes who the sucker is, it's because you're the sucker.

it's immoral to let a sucker keep his money(rounders)...

jkuchta · 11-20-2008, 07:44 PM

+1

PetersRedYaris · 11-20-2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaidTimeOff

There is no proof of your statement...

Obama won, didn't he?

PaidTimeOff · 11-20-2008, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

Obama won, didn't he?

The number of Obama voters outnumbered McCain voters. Doesn't necessarily mean that either side was more uninformed. Good job jumping to conclusions with no evidence.

ChinoCharles · 11-20-2008, 08:59 PM

You guys are so sad. This thread is a bunch of propaganda. Garm said it best.

11-20-2008, 03:46 PM	#19
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KCALB SIRAY それを吸ってください View User's Garage Drives: black sand lb Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 8,894	http://www.zogby.com/news/wf-dfs.pdf Here, the questions asked were pretty straight forward. There was more than two options to answer other than yes and no. I'm assuming you would have passed the test, why? Cause you did your homework and were not influenced by the media. That was the purpose of this survey. I'm glad you are one of the people that actually did avoid the media. This is an assumption based on your posts so far. __________________ http://lifesdailypimpslap.tumblr.com/#me My Build

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11-20-2008, 03:51 PM	#20
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	No...the poll is illegitimate because the questions that were asked were not true to begin with (how can you correctly answer a question that is incorrect?), and the questions were posed in such a way as to elicit a certain response: If you were a McCain supporter, and the question asked: "Did John McCain start his political career in the living room of two former members of the Weather Underground?" you would answer no also...because 1) McCain did not start his political career in the living room of two former members of the Weather Underground, and 2) If you did not know the answer, you would say 'no' because you don't want to associate your candidate with a subversive movement. The questions were formulated to elicit a specific response from a majority of those polled. They were engineered well.

11-20-2008, 03:52 PM	#21
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	Very true Cali! ....Another good one is "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics"

11-20-2008, 03:57 PM	#23
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	You're missing the point... The survey's questions are false, so a negative answer is recorded as incorrect (even though it is the true answer). If this Survey's questions had been fact-checked...I'm sure you'd find that most people actually scored quite well.

11-20-2008, 04:25 PM	#26
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	Well I'm sorry, but to treat this survey as anything other than propaganda you'd need to be a sucker.

11-20-2008, 07:44 PM	#33
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	+1

11-20-2008, 08:59 PM	#36
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	You guys are so sad. This thread is a bunch of propaganda. Garm said it best.