Tailgating

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by p123456789

It's the passing lane for a reason if you're not passing someone get into the right lane. There are signs everwhere here slower traffic keep right.

Too true. If I remember correctly (and I'm sure someone will "remind" me if I didn't) it is allowable to exceed the speed limit while passing in the UK, for the simple reason that it is safer to get past in a hurry. As long as you pull right back in again, of course.

[bkndacn]

^ Its the same here in MD but the catch is that you have to get back down to a "safe" speed after .....

[SailDesign]

Just so you (us) Americans don't think we have a monopoly on stupid driving laws, here's an article from the British paper "The Daily Telegraph" from this morning:

Crazy driving laws
Should a driver be punished for warning of a speed trap ahead? David Williams investigates some cases in which the police appear to have overreacted.


By David Williams 11:00AM GMT 09 Feb 2011



Michael Thompson provoked sympathy and disbelief in equal measure when he was fined £175, ordered to pay £250 costs and a £15 “victim surcharge” after being found guilty of wilfully obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties.

The crime meriting such severe punishment? Concealment of a murderer? Hiding the smoking gun?

The semi-retired man simply did what many motorists often do (and indeed what the AA was founded for, in 1905) and warned oncoming drivers that there was a police speed trap around the corner, by flashing his headlamps.

Thompson insisted he was performing his “civic duty” by warning fellow motorists and one solicitor at court criticised the prosecution as a waste of taxpayers’ money.

In words that resonated with many of Britain’s 34 million motorists, the solicitor said the driver should be praised for his actions.

Not everyone was as sympathetic, however. On national radio phone-ins many criticised his actions; had he not prevented speeding drivers from getting their just desserts?

The presiding magistrate told Thompson: “We found that the flashing of your headlights was an obstruction, we found that you knew this action would cause vehicles to slow down and cause other motorists to avoid the speed trap and avoid prosecution.”

So, bizarrely, Mr Thompson was punished for encouraging others to stay within the law. But is the case as clear-cut as it appeared?

Experts say the whole grisly affair could have been averted even after Mr Thompson, of Grimsby in north-east Lincolnshire, was given a dressing down by police.

“Often, in weird and wonderful cases such as this, prosecution can easily be averted if the driver just bites his tongue and accepts a police warning - without giving any lip,” says Edmund King, the AA president.

“In many of these cases the law is a grey area but police might still feel they need to make a point by talking to the driver.

"Unfortunately some police officers respond adversely to drivers challenging them, as appears to have happened in this case. That’s when they dig in their heels and decide to take action.”

If Mr Thompson did talk himself into a fine, he surely felt he was standing up for what he - and many others - felt was right.

“If the true aim of speed traps is to get drivers to adhere to the limit, then why object to drivers warning others?” says Nigel Humphries of the Association of British Drivers. “Surely this achieves that objective in exactly the same way as signposting a speed camera, long accepted as a positive means of slowing traffic?”

It turns out that Thompson is in good company; numerous driver prosecutions and penalties have been at least as contentious.

In December 2003 Sarah McCaffery (above) was stopped by police who thought she was using her mobile phone while making a left turn in her Ford Ka.

In fact, she was doing nothing more sinister than eating an apple. Police nevertheless issued her with a £30 ticket, saying she was not in proper control of her car. The 23-year-old from Hebburn, in the North-East, decided to fight back and appealed, but was nevertheless convicted by magistrates.

Her solicitor said the case was “nonsensical” as she had carried out the manoeuvre “perfectly” but the chairman of the bench said: “We accept that there are times when you can drive with one hand but, in holding an apple while negotiating a left-hand turn, we consider you not to have been in full control.”

Stranger still was the case of a man fined for blowing his nose. When Michael Mancini found himself stuck in a queue of traffic with a runny nose, he instinctively reached for his handkerchief.

The simple act of pulling out a tissue and blowing his nose earned him a £60 fine because he was “not in proper control of his vehicle”.

Policeman Stuart Gray (known as PC Shiny Buttons because of his zealous approach) also handed out three penalty points, even though Mancini had the handbrake on at the time.

The case echoes that of salesman Keith Pemberton, from Cheshire, who was fined £60 for eating a sandwich at the wheel in March 2007. In 2008, Ediri Tsekiri was fined £60 in Liverpool for not being in control of her vehicle.

She, too, was eating a sandwich. Company director Gary Saunders was stopped in the same city for laughing while driving in 2009, but escaped with a ticking-off.

Motoring, clearly, is not a laughing matter - but justice can prevail. Mr Mancini took his protest to court and the procurator fiscal in Ayr decided not to prosecute. “I knew it would cost me hiring a lawyer but it was worth it out of principle,” said Mr Mancini.

Kevin Story was spotted by police munching a KitKat on the M3 and (are the words beginning to sound familiar?) issued with a fine for “not being in control of his vehicle”. Police later gave him a break and said the fine would be quashed as it was “inappropriate”.

Hampshire’s Assistant Chief Constable Colin Smith said: “We accept that the issue of a fixed penalty ticket, while intended to promote road safety, was inappropriate action by a well-meaning policeman.

"Officers usually deal sensitively and with common sense. If we are found to be over-zealous, we are more than happy to admit that officers are human and sometimes make mistakes.”

Is this true? It seems so.

The AA advises drivers stopped by police to be courteous and not to challenge them. It says that nine times out of 10 no action will be taken.

“In the light-flashing case, the driver said the police officer did not let him off with a warning because he 'challenged’ him,” says Edmund King.

“We urge drivers to keep their cool and police not to overreact to minor misdemeanours. It would save everybody an awful lot of time and money.”

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by PK198105

this example is simple case of municipal/county/shire greed. Not that Im trying to say all police officers are tax collectors, but a good majority is maybe not by choice , but more and more the whole Police "enforcement" is more a case of tax increase. If most police departments were truly concerned with safety they would enforce the cell phone texting, snow covered vehicles with only a slit to look out of, failure to yield, continous lane change while crossing the solid line from the extreme left to get to teh exit infractions. Anyways, enough of my ranting, and just to be clear Im saying this not because I get tickets (because I dont, can't risk a ticket in my line of work) but because its pathetic the application of the law on the roads.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with you there ... it's the actual application that's so demoralizing to me.

I've never been a fan of speed traps ... it's an on again, off again game of cat and mouse that I think is meant to leave enough holes to encourage people so inclined to take their chances speeding. As you've already stated, it has more to do with generating revenue than safety.

What kind of deterrent is it when people smash their brakes and go to 15 under as soon as they see the flashing lights, and then immediately accelerate to 15 over as soon as they pass the person pulled over? It's only amusing when there are multiple speed traps spaced out to catch that sort of behavior, and even then you'll see people racing each other at 20 over unless the speed limit is enforced that way consistently.

Compare that mess to photo enforcement where people magically maintain consistent speeds near the maximum throughout that stretch of the highway. I know that people don't like those things, but I certainly like the results. I'm also one of those guys who'd like to see concrete walls instead of solid lines.

[SailDesign]

Here's a little demonstration of how stupid people can be. Imagine this one with more cars on the road, and maybe the truck having to brake....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8FNQx7Cd9A

[bkndacn]

^That guy should loose his commercial license !! granted it would be hard to get all of that off that shouldnt happen....

[frownonfun]

I think some of you are assuming that he was anywhere near one of those snow scraper machine things. He may have collected that while resting at a truck stop or somewhere where they don't have nifty contraptions like that. Doesn't make the situation any less dangerous but at the same time what's the guy supposed to do when he needs to be somewhere... climb up there and push it all off?

[frownonfun]

Touché

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

I think some of you are assuming that he was anywhere near one of those snow scraper machine things. He may have collected that while resting at a truck stop or somewhere where they don't have nifty contraptions like that. Doesn't make the situation any less dangerous but at the same time what's the guy supposed to do when he needs to be somewhere... climb up there and push it all off?

Yes, actually.

[rningonfumes]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Yeah, that's the best. lol. I do it when ever someone tailgates me (after making sure it is not a police car).

Why worry about the police car? Say you needed to make room for a safe emergency stop because you were being tailgated. The officer should know better.

I get this all the time, then again, I probably drive the slowest of the majority of YW people.

What really gets me is how people do it to me in the freakin' rain!