The open political discussion thread. Read the first post!

[mo_feezy]

you can't cite something as biased as that and act like it backs your claims.

[PaidTimeOff]

From factcheck.org:

Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs. (my emphasis btw)

link: http://factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-...about-hr-3200/

[Malaya1221]

You CANNOT cure stupidity and stubborness!

[Kal-El]

Part of the problem is that they wrote the bill in such vagueness that people can't figure out what's what.

You could say that the claim that illegals won't be covered is a "half truth".

Fact is, the bill says that only the AFFORDABILITY CREDITS will not be available to illegal immigrants. However, the bill also makes no provision that prevents illegal aliens to be part of the government plan.

[mo_feezy]

Every bill is written that way. This bill reads like every piece of proposed legislation ever. The problem is that some talking heads started claiming it said certain things and then a population of people thought they ought to see what it says while being completely incapable of understanding it. 50% (i.e. 1/2 or one out of every two) of American adults cannot comprehend a newspaper article (or even simple charts, graphs, or figures). There is absolutely no way they are going to be able to understand a bill.
Virtually all of the criticisms of this bill come from Glenn Beck-esque logic of "the bill doesn't say it ISN'T going to do so and so" rather than just looking at what it actually says.

[mo_feezy]

also, Glenn Beck is a murderer and rapist.

[RedRide]

Glen Beck has now surpassed Rush Limbaugh as the number one psycho of the right wing wackos.

His whole act consists of feeding outragous and rediculous lies to anyone who is anti Obama and he has no semblance to reality!

His limited audience really hangs on every word he says and view it as the absolute truth
As Ron White says: "You can't fix stupid"!

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by mo_feezy

also, Glenn Beck is a murderer and rapist.

Well, actually we're not sure if he is, but he hasn't denied it!

See for yourself!

[mo_feezy]

Originally Posted by Altitude

Well, actually we're not sure if he is, but he hasn't denied it!

See for yourself!

if he hasn't raped and murdered a young girl in 1990, why hasn't he denied it?

Obviously that means he is guilty.

[Bob Dog]

Some say it might have been his rumoured transsexual lover. He won't comment on those rumours either.

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by RedRide

Glen Beck has now surpassed Rush Limbaugh as the number one psycho of the right wing wackos.

His whole act consists of feeding outragous and rediculous lies to anyone who is anti Obama and he has no semblance to reality!

His limited audience really hangs on every word he says and view it as the absolute truth
As Ron White says: "You can't fix stupid"!

You mean all the proof Glenn provides with video is just made up? He is notorious for backing all of his findings with hard evidence, maybe you should watch.

His "limited" audience nearly equals all the other networks combined and he is on in the afternoon when everyone is at work or on the road.

Never mind that 15,000,000 people listen to his radio show everyday.

Here's yesterday's news ratings.....

CABLE NEWS RACE
THURSDAY NITE, SEPT 10

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,609,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,340,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,986,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,522,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,362,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,040,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,573,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,164,000
CNN KING 965,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 882,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 734,000
CNN COOPER 691,000

Surprised at how pathetic the Obama networks do?

[Bob Dog]

Half of the audience are psychos and the other half of them just turn it on to point and laugh with in incredulity. He is a sick, irrational and dangerous man.

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

You mean all the proof Glenn provides with video is just made up? He is notorious for backing all of his findings with hard evidence, maybe you should watch.

His "limited" audience nearly equals all the other networks combined and he is on in the afternoon when everyone is at work or on the road.

Never mind that 15,000,000 people listen to his radio show everyday.

Here's yesterday's news ratings.....

CABLE NEWS RACE
THURSDAY NITE, SEPT 10

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,609,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,340,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,986,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,522,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,362,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,040,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,573,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,164,000
CNN KING 965,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 882,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 734,000
CNN COOPER 691,000

Surprised at how pathetic the Obama networks do?

All the hard evidence proves beyond all doubt that Beck is a common, blatant pathological lier.

Beck is a complete buffoon who has become a pathetic caricature of himself.

He is just a "shock jock" and not a jurnalist by any stretch of an intellegent person's imagination.
He has a "news" program?

"Liers often use statistics and statictics often lie" certainly applies here.

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by RedRide

All the hard evidence proves beyond all doubt that Beck is a common, blatant pathological lier.

Beck is a complete buffoon who has become a pathetic caricature of himself.

He is just a "shock jock" and not a jurnalist by any stretch of an intellegent person's imagination.
He has a "news" program?

"Liers often use statistics and statictics often lie" certainly applies here.

He never claims to be a "journalist" although he has more credibility over the mainstream media journalists who will never bring the truth out against this extremist administration.

He's officially a commentator but he digs up what is really going on.

One example is Van Jones. No one reported on him except Beck, and after Beck brought this nut case to the public eye, Jones was forced to resign.

You see, the liberal media is doing everything it can to protect Obama because they elected him. Journalism is therefore dead. It's up to the alternative media to cover the truth. Think about it, have you heard any criticism of Obama on NBC, CBS, ect...??? Exactly.

[Bob Dog]

Counterpoint, as Wiliam F. Buckley used to say: Did you hear any criticism of Mr.Bush In the early days when he was president? No, it was a "rousing" mix of knee jerk pseudo patriotism, illuminated by the still burning fires of 9/11. MSNBC is biased liberal media (and I must confess that I savor Oberman and Maddow in in much the same manner that you seem to like Beck and O'Reilly). NBC, CBS, and ABC are mainstream middle of the road media. It is just that you and your boorish friend Beck are so far to the right that they appear to the left (or liberal if you choose) to you.

[RedRide]

Beck is a constant, doumentented lier........ end of discussion!
You just like him because he simply tells you what you want to hear.

His messaage is "I hate obama" without a single, constructive idea of his own .

[2+2]

Originally Posted by Bob Dog

Counterpoint, as Wiliam F. Buckley used to say: Did you hear any criticism of Mr.Bush In the early days when he was president? No, it was a "rousing" mix of knee jerk pseudo patriotism, illuminated by the still burning fires of 9/11. MSNBC is biased liberal media (and I must confess that I savor Oberman and Maddow in in much the same manner that you seem to like Beck and O'Reilly). NBC, CBS, and ABC are mainstream middle of the road media. It is just that you and your boorish friend Beck are so far to the right that they appear to the left (or liberal if you choose) to you.

Yeah Bush got a free ride for quite a few years. Remember this? Colbert at the White House Correspondent's Dinner (2006) . I remember at the time being completely shocked at Colbert having the nads to actually say what everyone was thinking, and to Bush's face no less. We had been fed such a constant stream of pretty darn effective rah rah patriotic flagwaving that speaking out against Bush was unthinkable. Given the political climate at the time I can't imagine myself having the nerve, not in a million years.

After that the walls caved in as everyone realized that we'd invaded the wrong country. Can you say oops?

[Bob Dog]

Agreed: there was a time that things got so oppresive, that i wondered about saying anything critical about the government. I had vague images of homeland security wiretaps and closely watched web posts. Not my America at all.