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supmet · 08-01-2009, 12:58 AM

Ya, hopefully it will go bankrupt before it hits the used car business too bad. A couple months from now people should still pay 9-10k for a good used yaris. If you're in the market to sell in the next week or month, you might be in trouble.

eric81 · 08-01-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tuckevalastin

Cash for Clunkers is most certainly benefiting Asian carmakers more than the US automakers. The regulations of the program pretty much ensure that. Not only are people using this program to buy Asian cars now but those Asian cars will last 5-10 years at least meaning those people won't even need to consider buying American for 5-10 years. IMO it would have been much more beneficial to make this program actually benefit the US auto industry, at least then it would benefit something our government has already invested heavily in.

The program appears to be about 80% show and 20% go. The one upside is that it has managed to bring 250,000 buyers into dealerships this week. The list of downsides is very long.

Did you know that there are more Toyota's made in the US by US citizens then there are Toyota's coming in from Japan? And that Toyota has 4 of the top 10 americanized vehicles? Including the number one spot with the Camry? Yeah, the Camry beat out every other car in the US, including Fords, GM's, Chevy's, Pontiac's, Chrystler's, Jeeps, and Dodge's. How is this not helping the US? Maybe they should take a page out of Toyota's book and start building efficient, reliable cars. That's just my opinion though. Oh, wait, it's not my opinion. It's facts. Do your research.

kustom play · 08-01-2009, 01:16 AM

I wouldnt buy american, they all suck and they got themselves into the position their in. Im pissed that they bailed them out in the first place. Should have let them fail the first time

eric81 · 08-01-2009, 01:18 AM

Okay, FYI. Cash for clunkers is NOT helping dealerships like you think it is. The government put up rules so we can't adjust the prices to help us out any. However, it is causing us to have a lot of business, so we are happy about that. More cars sold means more money made.
Now, as for the vehicles that qualify, and all the work we have to do to find out if it does qualify, filling out paperwork, and then having to actually lose money off the top, the government is still making their money, because they tax you BEFORE the $3,500 or $4,500 rebate, but we only get paid on the after rebate price, so they are just helping fuel themselves.
And I do agree that they are taking some nicer and well kept vehicles and parts off the road. Also, I believe they should have made the MPG a little higher, because 18 is REALLY hard to do. I have had SEVERAL customers that get 16 average or less, but the website says 19 or 20, so they miss out and have to keep driving their clunker. It is helping out some people, but not everyone it should.

enobmort42 · 08-01-2009, 01:19 AM

my old 96 escort wasn't eligible for the clunkers thing, so i sold it on craigslist. had it been, i would have given it to my brother to get him started with a good car..

Bob Dog · 08-01-2009, 08:07 AM

This program also rewards people who bought gas guzzlers years ago and punishes those bought fuel efficient cars by giving money to those who bought the guzzlers and not giving the incentive to people who have been driving green for years.

aclark246 · 08-01-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by eric81

Also, I believe they should have made the MPG a little higher, because 18 is REALLY hard to do. I have had SEVERAL customers that get 16 average or less, but the website says 19 or 20, so they miss out and have to keep driving their clunker.

The website says they get 19...they get 16...
The website says I get 32...I get 44...

Maybe it is the driver and not the car...

qualifier:
(...in some of those cases. I do realize that environment plays a big role in possible FE and that also they could have some serious car issues that inhibit any higher FE, but for most people I have seen who get poor FE in their cars-even older cars- it has been driving style that has kept them out of reach of the EPA numbers. Sucks for the people who it's out of their control, but for those who legitimately bought gas guzzlers in the first place and drive inefficiently anyway, I really don't want my tax dollars giving them a rebate if they can't make the 18 that their car can most probably make. If they do qualify however, I am more than happy to help them into a better car.)

tuckevalastin · 08-01-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eric81

Did you know that there are more Toyota's made in the US by US citizens then there are Toyota's coming in from Japan? And that Toyota has 4 of the top 10 americanized vehicles? Including the number one spot with the Camry? Yeah, the Camry beat out every other car in the US, including Fords, GM's, Chevy's, Pontiac's, Chrystler's, Jeeps, and Dodge's. How is this not helping the US? Maybe they should take a page out of Toyota's book and start building efficient, reliable cars. That's just my opinion though. Oh, wait, it's not my opinion. It's facts. Do your research.

Just because Toyota builds cars in the US and for the US buyers doesn't make them a US automaker. Did you do your research? It shouldn't be hard to find out that Toyota is NOT a US automaker!!!

RedRide · 08-01-2009, 03:57 PM

Well, as the saying goes, ...."You can't please all the people all of the time."

Without getting political and/or placing blame (there is plenty to go around), the county is in a bit of an economic mess and doing nothing is not an option at this point.

I'm 62 years and have yet to see a government run progran that did not have problems at the onset.

TinyGiant · 08-01-2009, 04:46 PM

i heard the govt shut down cash for clunkers a couple days ago.. the money that was budgeted for it is now gone... from a big response to the program

tuckevalastin · 08-01-2009, 05:00 PM

the government then gave the program $2billion more in funding so it's back up and running.

TinyGiant · 08-01-2009, 05:02 PM

splendid. 2 billion more to something i cant take advantage of because i did the right think last fall and got rid of my clunker. neato!

RedRide · 08-01-2009, 05:45 PM

The CFC progam is not designed/purposed to reward or punish anybody.

The main focus it to boltser the all important US auto industry and all the busunesses that depend on it and getting old gas guzzlers off the road.

The '"I got mine and if you don't have yours,...screw you" attitude is largely what got us into this mess to begin with.

gokartride · 08-01-2009, 05:59 PM

One can argue theoretical pros and cons all day, but in the end, I think it is a good program and a good time for it.

Bob Dog · 08-01-2009, 07:03 PM

The new money for the "Cash for Clunkers" program is being looted directly for the alternative energy programs, another give away to industry at the taxpayer expense. I bet the Senators and Congresspeople get a really nice stroke from the Auto Industry Lobbyists after this one

GeneW · 08-01-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyGiant

i heard the govt shut down cash for clunkers a couple days ago.. the money that was budgeted for it is now gone... from a big response to the program

No. The ability of the Government to manage the problem was overwhelmed. The program has only spent about $100 million, about ten percent of the total.

Gene

GeneW · 08-01-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tomato

You guys ought to move that thread to the off topic discussion, I think.

Health care: do you really like the idea that millions of Americans everywhere can't afford health insurance right now? Some can, but insurances will turn them down based on pre-existing conditions. What are they supposed to do? Here in California, a simple doctor's visit (consult, 15 minutes at MOST) is $184. That's not some fancy visit in some fancy place, believe me.

Is it fair that people who have worked all their lives and saved every penny should go bankrupt when someone gets, let's say cancer? IDK, something sure needs to be done. I don't trust the government anymore than the next guy, but a little bit of regulation to make sure prices don't skyrocket might be a good idea. Look at the price of prescription drugs for instance, I mean that is completely out of hand. Many of these drugs (which Seniors require) are long out of R&D, and shouldn't be priced that high. The tax payer is footing the bill

Maybe I should just shut up because the health care situation just puts me in a bad mood. Anyway, think about it, even if you voted Republican and hate the very thought of any government involvment. Just think about it, OK? Health care as it is now in the US is no care at all for the majority of people. It is a disgrace, if you ask me.

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Gene

GeneW · 08-01-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

The new money for the "Cash for Clunkers" program is being looted directly for the alternative energy programs, another give away to industry at the taxpayer expense. I bet the Senators and Congresspeople get a really nice stroke from the Auto Industry Lobbyists after this one

Do you think that "alternative energy" money isn't being "targeted at big business"?

Go look up the US Climate Action Partnership - it's a "who's who" of big business. They're pushing "Cap and Trade" through Congress, possibly even putting some $$$ into the pockets of "undecided" politicians.

I heard that the bread for "Cash for Clunkers ver 2.0" came from some TARP or "recovery" slush fund set up by COngress.

How come nobody is discussing how this "cash for clunkers" is hurting working poor folks? You know, the folks who buy clunkers to get to work and back? Doesn't anyone think of them, or are they invisible because they don't have lobbyists in Congress?

Gene

08-01-2009, 01:16 AM	#21
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08-01-2009, 01:19 AM	#23
enobmort42 First time DIYer Drives: '07 LB Polar White Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 434	my old 96 escort wasn't eligible for the clunkers thing, so i sold it on craigslist. had it been, i would have given it to my brother to get him started with a good car.. __________________ LED tails - debadged - 17" wheels - LED door handles - Painted Headlights - 30/35% tint - Blue LED Interior - DIY Cruise Control - Python 460HP Alarm - DIY Power Locks - K&N CAI - Lowering Springs

08-01-2009, 04:46 PM	#28
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	i heard the govt shut down cash for clunkers a couple days ago.. the money that was budgeted for it is now gone... from a big response to the program __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

08-01-2009, 05:00 PM	#29
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	the government then gave the program $2billion more in funding so it's back up and running. __________________

08-01-2009, 05:02 PM	#30
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	splendid. 2 billion more to something i cant take advantage of because i did the right think last fall and got rid of my clunker. neato! __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

08-01-2009, 12:58 AM	#19
supmet Banned View User's Garage Drives: 2007 4 Door Yaris Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,357	Ya, hopefully it will go bankrupt before it hits the used car business too bad. A couple months from now people should still pay 9-10k for a good used yaris. If you're in the market to sell in the next week or month, you might be in trouble.

08-01-2009, 01:18 AM	#22
eric81 View User's Garage Drives: Toyota Salesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Clarksville, IN Posts: 297	Okay, FYI. Cash for clunkers is NOT helping dealerships like you think it is. The government put up rules so we can't adjust the prices to help us out any. However, it is causing us to have a lot of business, so we are happy about that. More cars sold means more money made. Now, as for the vehicles that qualify, and all the work we have to do to find out if it does qualify, filling out paperwork, and then having to actually lose money off the top, the government is still making their money, because they tax you BEFORE the $3,500 or $4,500 rebate, but we only get paid on the after rebate price, so they are just helping fuel themselves. And I do agree that they are taking some nicer and well kept vehicles and parts off the road. Also, I believe they should have made the MPG a little higher, because 18 is REALLY hard to do. I have had SEVERAL customers that get 16 average or less, but the website says 19 or 20, so they miss out and have to keep driving their clunker. It is helping out some people, but not everyone it should.

08-01-2009, 08:07 AM	#24
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	This program also rewards people who bought gas guzzlers years ago and punishes those bought fuel efficient cars by giving money to those who bought the guzzlers and not giving the incentive to people who have been driving green for years.

08-01-2009, 03:57 PM	#27
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,501	Well, as the saying goes, ...."You can't please all the people all of the time." Without getting political and/or placing blame (there is plenty to go around), the county is in a bit of an economic mess and doing nothing is not an option at this point. I'm 62 years and have yet to see a government run progran that did not have problems at the onset.

08-01-2009, 05:45 PM	#31
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,501	The CFC progam is not designed/purposed to reward or punish anybody. The main focus it to boltser the all important US auto industry and all the busunesses that depend on it and getting old gas guzzlers off the road. The '"I got mine and if you don't have yours,...screw you" attitude is largely what got us into this mess to begin with.

08-01-2009, 05:59 PM	#32
gokartride Drives: 2009 Yaris 3-Door Liftback Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 213	One can argue theoretical pros and cons all day, but in the end, I think it is a good program and a good time for it.

08-01-2009, 07:03 PM	#33
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	The new money for the "Cash for Clunkers" program is being looted directly for the alternative energy programs, another give away to industry at the taxpayer expense. I bet the Senators and Congresspeople get a really nice stroke from the Auto Industry Lobbyists after this one