Ford Fiesta vs. Yaris - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

mryaris · 05-30-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by firebob

I think the E90 law started in 2007. I think this dropped the MPG from 40 to 35 mpg. By this time next year we till be driving E85 so it will drop one more time.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I suspect you just mistyped. Right now E10 is the predominant fuel mixture (10% ethanol & 90% gasoline).........E85 can only be run in flex fuel cars and is 85% ethanol & 15% gasoline. I think you just got it backwards.....what you call E90 is actually E10, etc.

FWIW, we have always had oxygenated gas here in Colorado (at least as long as I've lived here/been driving). Originally it was MTBE, but that was phased out several years ago as it pollutes ground water pretty substantially, now ethanol has claimed the throne.

That said, I use E10 and have used E10/oxygenated gas in all of my cars since the mid-80's and have never noticed any appreciable drop in fuel economy. I average 37 MPG in my Yaris HB and hit 40MPG on my last tank.

As for the Fiesta.....it is a very nice looking car. I don't care much for Ford's either, but it is still a sharp car. I'll have to go check one out at the dealer. I happened to see one in Boulder on Memorial Day and wanted to get a closer look, but I was running a 10K race and stopping would have hurt worse than if I just kept running! :)

mr9865 · 05-30-2009, 09:57 PM

if you want to know more about the fiesta, here is a link to someone who got one to drive from ford here in the states. http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/s...d.php?t=198086

firebob · 05-30-2009, 10:12 PM

I’m not a chemist and don’t under stand it all…

So I have it backwards. We are currently using E10 right now but soon it will be replaced by E15. E85 is flex fuel.

I do know that ethanol is an oxygen additive and the older popular one was MTBE. Are they now using both now in some places?

I have tested gas right out of the hose from time to time and the largest amount of ethanol I have found was about 38% using one of these things.

Yaris Hilton · 05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aclark246

When my girlfriend bought her yaris about 3 years ago when they first came to the states I remember seeing something like 40 mpg highway on the window sticker. Now with the EPA actually testing it the highway is something like 35 mpg.

They were actually tested before, and they're actually tested now. The EPA's driving test cycles (which are actually done on a dynamometer) changed for the 2008 model year. Lower mileage figures resulted. The aim of the revised test procedures was to give mileage estimates that better reflected numbers that average drivers were achieving. The Yaris didn't change when its posted mileage estimates went down. Just the test.

IsLNdbOi · 05-31-2009, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

It is a pretty nice car and I'm glad Ford is finally bringing it over.

Ford has taken a huge leap forward in just two years. It's time to take notice.

The Fiesta is very unlikely to recieve an EPA 40 mpg rating (highway). Maybe about 37, and about 30 city.

I give very high praise on the brilliant interior. This is one of Ford's best interiors ever and it's in a sub-compact! Everyone else will have to step it up.

Wow. It looks pretty good (inside and out). If that had been out a couple of months ago, I could have been driving a Ford around now.

nemelek · 05-31-2009, 05:13 AM

If or when it gets here and I was in the market for a new car, I would take a look at it before blindely buying another Yaris.

GeneW · 05-31-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vector9mm

First off, I love my yaris, but I average 34 MPG and for a small car that's not good. I just read about the Fiesta comming to the USA and it rocks. They say it should get a combined average of 40 MPG and has 120 HP and 112 lb. ft. of torque. To top it off it weighs 2,158. This thing ought to really scoot. I knew that this kind of car could be built to get near what the hybribs get in MPG. I'm not ready to ditch my Yaris but in a few years who knows. I predict that Toyota will make some improvements to the Yaris to keep up. Of course I would trust my Yaris over the Fiesta in reliability.

I'm sure it'll scoot, at least away from the Ford Dealership. Towards the dealership? Doubt it it'll scoot, more likely either tow or limp there.

Ford could screw up a baseball bat.

Gene

voodoo22 · 05-31-2009, 06:57 PM

The Fiesta is a great looking car and even though it's substantially smaller than the Yaris, Interior room appears to be about the same and if it delivers on 40 combined it can only cause good things to happen in the competition for the economy car purchasers dollar.

I personally will be disappointed if our next car uses any gas at all.

Kal-El · 05-31-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by voodoo22

The Fiesta is a great looking car and even though it's substantially smaller than the Yaris....

The Fiesta is about the same size as the Yaris Liftback. There's only about a 4" difference in length from what I can find.

voodoo22 · 06-01-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

The Fiesta is about the same size as the Yaris Liftback. There's only about a 4" difference in length from what I can find.

You're right, I was thinking about the Sedan which is quite a bit longer.

I doubt I'll ever see the interior of a fiesta, but it would be interesting to see how the interior space compares as interior ergonomics is where I find the domestics fail the most. I remember smashing my knees into an old impala which was longer than a house trailer, but had less leg room than a civic.

Bredayaris · 06-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Eeuhm the Fiesta is bigger than the Yaris for the liftback that is!
I've searched for the length Yaris: 149'' the Fiesta: 155.5''

But my brother's mother in law has the new Fiesta and she already has many problems with this car!!
The a/c unit doesn't work already and she has several other electronical problems with it!

Me and my boyfriend (isn't the English language egoistic ;-) ) had several Fords 2 times a Focus and i had a Escort but those were problem cars too..

ddongbap · 06-01-2009, 06:53 PM

I'd totally rock a Fiesta.

ddongbap · 06-01-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bredayaris

Eeuhm the Fiesta is bigger than the Yaris for the liftback that is!
I've searched for the length Yaris: 149'' the Fiesta: 155.5''

But my brother's mother in law has the new Fiesta and she already has many problems with this car!!
The a/c unit doesn't work already and she has several other electronical problems with it!

Me and my boyfriend (isn't the English language egoistic ;-) ) had several Fords 2 times a Focus and i had a Escort but those were problem cars too..

Loving the elitest actions here.

aclark246 · 06-01-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaris Hilton

They were actually tested before, and they're actually tested now. The EPA's driving test cycles (which are actually done on a dynamometer) changed for the 2008 model year. Lower mileage figures resulted. The aim of the revised test procedures was to give mileage estimates that better reflected numbers that average drivers were achieving. The Yaris didn't change when its posted mileage estimates went down. Just the test.

OHHHHH, I was under the impression that the old EPA tests were just numbers plugged in to some machine/computer or something. (You can see I'm ignorant to a lot of this stuff.) I knew the car didn't change and that it was just the tests changing, but I thought the new EPA tests were actual tests as opposed to calculations. My bad

The same goes for the e10 mixture which I also don't know much about.

Regardless, removing that misinformed point from my previous statement, I think I'm doing fine with my Yaris in the FE department but it is cool that another FE car is being added to the fleet. I just hope it is as good as we all hope.

Yaris Hilton · 06-01-2009, 11:15 PM

What you're probably thinking of is that the fuel consumption is actually calculated from the measured output of fuel products such as carbon dioxide. Seems backward, but if anyone's seen the clever ways some of those NASCAR mechanics have hidden extra fuel in cars they'll understand why it's done that way.

Thirty-Nine · 06-08-2009, 12:40 AM

FYI, I got to drive a 2011 Fiesta. Full article here:

http://bit.ly/7hEy5

I must say: I was very impressed with the Fiesta. It should be a great car for Ford in the U.S.

wooverstone8 · 06-08-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

FYI, I got to drive a 2011 Fiesta. Full article here:

http://bit.ly/7hEy5

I must say: I was very impressed with the Fiesta. It should be a great car for Ford in the U.S.

Excellent Review!

I'm not fan of the styling for Fiesta though, but I'm glad to see more small cars entering the market here in the states.

doublewam · 06-08-2009, 08:10 PM

Looks like the new Fiesta will be a great looking car. However, it's a Ford. Depreciation on it will bum you out and I don't think it will prove to be anywhere near as reliable as a Toyota. As for me, if it isn't a Honda or a Toyota, I'm done with it. Every Ford, Chrysler, & GM product I have ever owned has essentially been 'done' as a reliable automobile after 100,000 miles (some before). My Toyotas and Hondas have been 'miracle machines' in comparison.

For the record...cars I have owned...

Fords
2 Tauruses (both junk at 100,000-120,000 miles)
1 Windstar (also junked at 120,000 miles)

Chrysler
PT Cruiser ($2000 in warranty work, about $1000 out of pocket repairs, by 45,000 miles the AC was only working when going at least 55, it would often go dead when idling, the power steering made sounds like an elephant dying on cold days, other misc. issues. Traded this car in for the Yaris.)

Volkswagon
New Beetle (nightmare, was constantly back at the dealer with problems, traded it in at 20,000 miles for a Toyota Tacoma)

Dodge
Caravan (still have it, only 36,000 miles - only have a Dodge because due to depreciation of GM products, I was able to get it for no money out in a trade for a Tacoma double cab that was 2 years older with twice as many miles on it.)

Honda
Civic (250,000 miles, running great when I sold it)

Toyota

Celica (350,000 miles, my first car...purchased it with 250,000 miles for $900 and spent less than $500 in repairs to get another 100,000 out of it).

2 Tercels (1 in Anchorage Alaska purchased with 10,000 miles and put another 25,000 on it before I sold it...no issues through harsh Alaskan winter, the other Tercel had almost 200,000 miles on it when I traded it in for a new VW Bug-see above-eeek!)

2 Tacomas (single cab, no issues for 40,000 miles then traded it in on a new 2004 double cab. The double cab had no problems and we put 46000 miles on it and then traded it in at a dealer for a Dodge 2006 Caravan with half the miles on it...the Tacoma had such a great resale value we traded it out right for an even swap. Pretty amazing considering the Caravan was two years newer with half the miles on it and cost about $6000 more new than the Tacoma did.)

Yaris (just purchased two days ago...loving it)

WOW! Until I did this post, I had never made a list of all the cars I have owned. I had no idea there were that many.

05-30-2009, 10:12 PM	#21
firebob Drives: 09 yaris Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road Posts: 236	I’m not a chemist and don’t under stand it all… So I have it backwards. We are currently using E10 right now but soon it will be replaced by E15. E85 is flex fuel. I do know that ethanol is an oxygen additive and the older popular one was MTBE. Are they now using both now in some places? I have tested gas right out of the hose from time to time and the largest amount of ethanol I have found was about 38% using one of these things. __________________ 09, 3 door lift back, auto. I live on the road with my wife. We travel as needed for our work and drive up to 4,500 miles in a bad week.

05-31-2009, 05:13 AM	#24
nemelek DWEED Drives: 3DR 2008 Metorite Metalic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,161	If or when it gets here and I was in the market for a new car, I would take a look at it before blindely buying another Yaris. __________________ Making a decision without following it with an action is still a fantasy.

06-08-2009, 12:40 AM	#34
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	FYI, I got to drive a 2011 Fiesta. Full article here: http://bit.ly/7hEy5 I must say: I was very impressed with the Fiesta. It should be a great car for Ford in the U.S. __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

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voodoo22 Drives: Yaris Sedan (auto) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 545	The Fiesta is a great looking car and even though it's substantially smaller than the Yaris, Interior room appears to be about the same and if it delivers on 40 combined it can only cause good things to happen in the competition for the economy car purchasers dollar. I personally will be disappointed if our next car uses any gas at all.

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Bredayaris Drives: Toyota Yaris 1.3 vvti cvt Join Date: May 2007 Location: Breda, The Netherlands Posts: 158	Eeuhm the Fiesta is bigger than the Yaris for the liftback that is! I've searched for the length Yaris: 149'' the Fiesta: 155.5'' But my brother's mother in law has the new Fiesta and she already has many problems with this car!! The a/c unit doesn't work already and she has several other electronical problems with it! Me and my boyfriend (isn't the English language egoistic ;-) ) had several Fords 2 times a Focus and i had a Escort but those were problem cars too..

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Yaris Hilton Half a Bubble Off Plumb Drives: 2009 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 1,593	What you're probably thinking of is that the fuel consumption is actually calculated from the measured output of fuel products such as carbon dioxide. Seems backward, but if anyone's seen the clever ways some of those NASCAR mechanics have hidden extra fuel in cars they'll understand why it's done that way.

06-08-2009, 08:10 PM	#36
doublewam Drives: 2009 Yaris Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19	Looks like the new Fiesta will be a great looking car. However, it's a Ford. Depreciation on it will bum you out and I don't think it will prove to be anywhere near as reliable as a Toyota. As for me, if it isn't a Honda or a Toyota, I'm done with it. Every Ford, Chrysler, & GM product I have ever owned has essentially been 'done' as a reliable automobile after 100,000 miles (some before). My Toyotas and Hondas have been 'miracle machines' in comparison. For the record...cars I have owned... Fords 2 Tauruses (both junk at 100,000-120,000 miles) 1 Windstar (also junked at 120,000 miles) Chrysler PT Cruiser ($2000 in warranty work, about $1000 out of pocket repairs, by 45,000 miles the AC was only working when going at least 55, it would often go dead when idling, the power steering made sounds like an elephant dying on cold days, other misc. issues. Traded this car in for the Yaris.) Volkswagon New Beetle (nightmare, was constantly back at the dealer with problems, traded it in at 20,000 miles for a Toyota Tacoma) Dodge Caravan (still have it, only 36,000 miles - only have a Dodge because due to depreciation of GM products, I was able to get it for no money out in a trade for a Tacoma double cab that was 2 years older with twice as many miles on it.) Honda Civic (250,000 miles, running great when I sold it) Toyota Celica (350,000 miles, my first car...purchased it with 250,000 miles for $900 and spent less than $500 in repairs to get another 100,000 out of it). 2 Tercels (1 in Anchorage Alaska purchased with 10,000 miles and put another 25,000 on it before I sold it...no issues through harsh Alaskan winter, the other Tercel had almost 200,000 miles on it when I traded it in for a new VW Bug-see above-eeek!) 2 Tacomas (single cab, no issues for 40,000 miles then traded it in on a new 2004 double cab. The double cab had no problems and we put 46000 miles on it and then traded it in at a dealer for a Dodge 2006 Caravan with half the miles on it...the Tacoma had such a great resale value we traded it out right for an even swap. Pretty amazing considering the Caravan was two years newer with half the miles on it and cost about $6000 more new than the Tacoma did.) Yaris (just purchased two days ago...loving it) WOW! Until I did this post, I had never made a list of all the cars I have owned. I had no idea there were that many.