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Rafreaki · 11-12-2008, 08:38 PM

Does the lack of wheel covers noticeably reduce mpg? Any idea how much? This is making me second guess the eBaying of mine...

Bob_VT · 11-12-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Loren

We'll be putting a tamper seal on their gas cap. If anyone looks "iffy", we'll search the car for extra fuel tanks... but I don't think anyone is taking it that seriously. (in fact, most of my locals are crapping out on me, this is going to be a very low-turnout)

We've already specifically allowed any and all modifications other than secondary fuel tanks. Any brilliant idea you have to improve your fuel economy... from lightening to aero to engine swaps... go for it! Any such mods will prove their worth in this kind of test, and that's a good thing. If lightening works (it does), then we all learn yet again that lightness is better for economy. If improved aerodynamics works (it does), we'll prove that, too. If swapping a VW TDI engine into a Suburban works... well... I wouldn't stand in the way of such an experiement!

But, we do want to be able to somewhat accurately guage the amount of fuel used.

Great Idea!

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Originally Posted by JnC

Gorgeous Spitfire btw.

I've only gotten serious about hypermiling once (too much work to do to the level I experimented with). No prep other than 40 psi in my tires in my VW TDI. It was an 80+ mile trip, catching a draft behind a semi and trying a throttle/gearing modulation theory I concocted... which nearly wore me and the clutch out. All while staying within +/- 5 mph of the speed limit on an interstate hwy (55 to 65 posted). I didn't verify fillup, and figure the trip computer is at least 5% optimistic.

Heh, I think the light tank helped a little. ;)

I had a 2000 TDI Jetta 5 spd that I chipped with the wettenauer chip. I was getting 55 mpg when I paid attention. Overall maintenance costs killed me with that car and the yaris LB has more rear seat room.

Appalachian Trail 2007 · 11-12-2008, 09:41 PM

hey loren, 500snakz says its not possible to even get 48mpg so I'd give up on the 55 dream...

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10642

Bob_VT · 11-12-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Appalachian Trail 2007

hey loren, 500snakz says its not possible to even get 48mpg so I'd give up on the 55 dream...

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10642

Uhhhhhh maybe Bailout will post a link to his gas log...... I think you will be surprised. 55 is high but 50 has been seen by many.

drummerboy2004 · 11-12-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Appalachian Trail 2007

hey loren, 500snakz says its not possible to even get 48mpg so I'd give up on the 55 dream...

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10642

55 is easy in the MT

... I have an AT, and have pulled over 50 for a trip longer than 200 miles. Oh, and 48... that should be about city mileage in the MT if you drive it well enough. You can do it!

Matt

Bob_VT · 11-12-2008, 10:00 PM

here is Bailout's gas log.....
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/2128

Appalachian Trail 2007 · 11-12-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Uhhhhhh maybe Bailout will post a link to his gas log...... I think you will be surprised. 55 is high but 50 has been seen by many.

oh I know, it's 500snakz that doesn't believe

drummerboy2004 · 11-12-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob_VT

here is Bailout's gas log.....
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/2128

You're right...

If you "FAS it up", you can easily exceed that as well...

Matt

drummerboy2004 · 11-12-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Appalachian Trail 2007

oh I know, it's 500snakz that doesn't believe

Well then... I think we need to put Snakz on a plane! jk

Matt

Appalachian Trail 2007 · 11-12-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by drummerboy2004

Well then... I think we need to put Snakz on a plane! jk

Matt

(Snakes on a plane...)

hahahaha yeah I got it the first time

Loren · 11-12-2008, 11:20 PM

I'm tired of these mother uckin' snakes on this mother uckin' plane!
too many mother uckers

Alright, let's not drag Mr. 500snakes through the mud here. He'll either learn or he won't, but he has nothing to do with this thread... let's be nice to the newbs.

Quick question for those who use FAS and have a Scangauge:

I gather that I need to set my mode to "Hybrid" to get the Scangauge to work properly. If I do that, will the Scangauge then give me accurate readings even through multiple FAS sessions? (no time to really test the theory before Sunday) Or will the ScanGauge ignore some or all of the FAS session and only report the MPG that occurred while the ignition is on?

drummerboy2004 · 11-12-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Loren

I'm tired of these mother uckin' snakes on this mother uckin' plane!
too many mother uckers

Alright, let's not drag Mr. 500snakes through the mud here. He'll either learn or he won't, but he has nothing to do with this thread... let's be nice to the newbs.

Quick question for those who use FAS and have a Scangauge:

I gather that I need to set my mode to "Hybrid" to get the Scangauge to work properly. If I do that, will the Scangauge then give me accurate readings even through multiple FAS sessions? (no time to really test the theory before Sunday) Or will the ScanGauge ignore some or all of the FAS session and only report the MPG that occurred while the ignition is on?

I know I shouldn't, but I have FASed in my car...
It typically stays on while you are turning off the car, and records all but whatever happens while the car is off...
This being said, it fails to record for usually <1sec...
If you have it set to hybrid, you will have no problem... My numbers usually stay accurate with FAS usage.

ADDED: Oh, and during the FAS your MPG will read over 1000, but you are actually using 0 gas, so this may lead to inaccuracies over the course of a long trip. I only use it going to long red lights.

Matt

voodoo22 · 11-13-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by drummerboy2004

I know I shouldn't, but I have FASed in my car...
Matt

The manual states it's safe to flat tow the Yaris auto for short trips at low speeds on flat surfaces, so you should be ok FASing to red lights.

I've read logs where people who are really good at FASing manuals and P&G increase their mpgs by 20%.

Woody_Woodchuck · 11-13-2008, 09:00 AM

My SG2 appears to record accurately while FASing, I set it to hybrid mode. Turn the key off, until the dome light starts to turn on (about a second or so). I do lose that second of SG recording while the key is actually in the off position but not the entire trip. The SG will continue updating from the numbers you had before keying off then back on. I use it as an estimation tool, not taking the numbers as gospel anyway so that second or so does not matter to me. A quick, light clutch while in 5th (or 4th if speed is low) starts the engine.

I only just started using this technique, so not an old pro at it, but found this works for me.

EDIT: the iMPG readings while in FAS do vary for me not do the 99999 thing. Depending on speed they will vary from 1,000 to 3,000 iMPG.

drummerboy2004 · 11-13-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by voodoo22

The manual states it's safe to flat tow the Yaris auto for short trips at low speeds on flat surfaces, so you should be ok FASing to red lights.

I've read logs where people who are really good at FASing manuals and P&G increase their mpgs by 20%.

Thanks... (I didn't stop doing it

)... I just remembered not to do it for a very long time. I noticed I was trying to go further and further on the FAS (still under 30 though). I like it as well because your car is then off for the light, and as long as you know the lights, you can put it back on, and be ready to roll. Thanks again...

Matt

enkid · 11-14-2008, 11:32 PM

You're going to find it difficult - hypermiling and keeping your overall average speed up to 45 are conflicting goals. You'll probably have to drive above the speed limit for some segments to make up for lost time and stops.

Loren · 11-15-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by enkid

You're going to find it difficult - hypermiling and keeping your overall average speed up to 45 are conflicting goals. You'll probably have to drive above the speed limit for some segments to make up for lost time and stops.

Yep, it will be a challenge. That's why I set it up the way I did. Where's the fun in doing something that's easy?

The plan is to P&G up to about 5 over and 10 under the speed limit in most places. (traffic permitting) The highest speed limit is 60, about half of the route is 55. The rest is slower, but will balance out. I've already segmented out the route and calculated times based on expected speeds for each segment. It works... now, if I can just stick to the plan!

drummerboy2004 · 11-15-2008, 02:28 AM

I will try and make it to a future one of these...

I have school-related things the rest of the semester

Oh, and word of advice, if you didn't think to... bring your speed average up by hauling ass (hypermiler haul 60) when you hit the downgrades, that way you do not find yourself having to do this on a lot of the flats. Then you could ride your speed down in a great-length FAS.

Hope this wasn't common sense...

Matt

11-12-2008, 09:41 PM	#39
Appalachian Trail 2007 View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 80	hey loren, 500snakz says its not possible to even get 48mpg so I'd give up on the 55 dream... http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10642 __________________ 3,441,567,453 posts BH (Before Hack)

11-12-2008, 10:00 PM	#42
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	here is Bailout's gas log..... http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/2128 __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

11-12-2008, 11:20 PM	#47
Loren What? Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,006	I'm tired of these mother uckin' snakes on this mother uckin' plane! too many mother uckers Alright, let's not drag Mr. 500snakes through the mud here. He'll either learn or he won't, but he has nothing to do with this thread... let's be nice to the newbs. Quick question for those who use FAS and have a Scangauge: I gather that I need to set my mode to "Hybrid" to get the Scangauge to work properly. If I do that, will the Scangauge then give me accurate readings even through multiple FAS sessions? (no time to really test the theory before Sunday) Or will the ScanGauge ignore some or all of the FAS session and only report the MPG that occurred while the ignition is on? __________________ ----------------------- Loren@InvisibleSun.org -----------------------

11-15-2008, 02:28 AM	#54
drummerboy2004 Drives: 2008 Yaris LB Auto Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 166	I will try and make it to a future one of these... I have school-related things the rest of the semester Oh, and word of advice, if you didn't think to... bring your speed average up by hauling ass (hypermiler haul 60) when you hit the downgrades, that way you do not find yourself having to do this on a lot of the flats. Then you could ride your speed down in a great-length FAS. Hope this wasn't common sense... Matt __________________

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11-12-2008, 08:38 PM	#37
Rafreaki Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback Base Model Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 2	Does the lack of wheel covers noticeably reduce mpg? Any idea how much? This is making me second guess the eBaying of mine...

11-13-2008, 09:00 AM	#50
Woody_Woodchuck Drives: 2008 Yaris LB 5M Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 64	My SG2 appears to record accurately while FASing, I set it to hybrid mode. Turn the key off, until the dome light starts to turn on (about a second or so). I do lose that second of SG recording while the key is actually in the off position but not the entire trip. The SG will continue updating from the numbers you had before keying off then back on. I use it as an estimation tool, not taking the numbers as gospel anyway so that second or so does not matter to me. A quick, light clutch while in 5th (or 4th if speed is low) starts the engine. I only just started using this technique, so not an old pro at it, but found this works for me. EDIT: the iMPG readings while in FAS do vary for me not do the 99999 thing. Depending on speed they will vary from 1,000 to 3,000 iMPG.

11-14-2008, 11:32 PM	#52
enkid Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: RI, USA Posts: 25	You're going to find it difficult - hypermiling and keeping your overall average speed up to 45 are conflicting goals. You'll probably have to drive above the speed limit for some segments to make up for lost time and stops.