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You do realize there is something call wind, right? jambo101, lets check out some of the headlines on Mondovista.com: -Noah's Ark is discovered (again) in Turkey -Suggestions for preperaring for 2012 doomsday -It's easy to make an H-BOMB! Just add lithium -Gray Alien caught on SA tape? and the best one yet -Will Cognitive Dissonance Fool You? I have no conspiracy theory behind Mondovista.com. It's just not a credible source because it's a conspiracy theory website. |
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So what is about the description of the Abiotic theory that they provide that gives you a problem? and if you were to post a link describing the Abiotic theory to people who have no idea what we are talking about which link would you post.?
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Satellite data confirms the data of ground weather stations. If John Coleman had credable evidence he should share it with the scientific community and get it published in a peer-reviewed journal. He aired his special on KUSI because there is more money there than being an accredited scientist. CO2 is also increasing because be burn petro-chemicals, which is also releasing other even worse greenhouse gases. Even if we forget about climate change, there are still other reason we need to end our dependence on petroleum; ground water contamination, soil contamination, oil spills, limited supply, destruction of wildlife habitats to find oil, etc. |
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Are all 23 posts by nmgolfer in this thread? I'm too lazy to check.
The complete lack of information and ignorance found in all but a few posts in this thread are basically what's wrong with the entire world. My favorites: 1)Limitless oil 2)that takes thousands(if not millions) of years to form.. ya I think we're out of the thousands here but good try buddy. 3)If we didn't run out of oil in the 70s we will never run out. Sound argument there. 4)Russia has 300 40,000 foot wells. The only people interested in Russia's tech is Iran. 5)Diamonds to oil - people don't wear oil, its not a fashion statement. Your theory breaks down after that. 6)Man dumping tons of Co2 every day, with other pollutants, has no effect on climate. Can't even comment on that one its so dumb. 7)One volcano pollutes more than humans ever could possibly do - reality check brought to you by 10 seconds on google: According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the world's volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. I believe in Global Warming, but I guarantee mankind's ignorance will kill us all before global warming gets us. |
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The one thing you wrote that rings true....
Seems.. you're clueless. About "Data" from supposedly trusted "accredited" sources.... Quote:
Greenhouse Gas Observatories Downwind from Erupting Volcanoes By Andrew Walden Problems in the collection of atmospheric CO2 data parallel other absurdities in the global warming fraud. The Climategate scandal is exposing the massive and systematic fraud behind the fabrication of the worldwide temperature record necessary to make the case for global warming. But what about the record of atmospheric CO2? The U.S. NOAA openly admits to producing a CO2 record which "contains no actual data." NOAA temperature stations sited in ways that artificially inflate temperatures have been exposed over the past two years. CO2 observatories have similar flaws. Two of the five NOAA "baseline" stations are downwind from erupting volcanoes. All five are subject to localized or regional CO2 sources. Climategate collaborator Dr. Andrew Manning worked with Dr. David Keeling, founder of the Mauna Loa Observatory, where atmospheric CO2 is measured. Manning, whose name appears in 37 Climategate emails, tells BBC: (emphasis added) The goal behind starting the measurements was to see if it was possible to track what at that time was only a suspicion: that atmospheric CO2 levels might be increasing owing to the burning of fossil fuels. To do this, a location was needed very far removed from the contamination and pollution of local emissions from cities; therefore Mauna Loa, high on a volcano in the middle of the Pacific Ocean was chosen. Without this curve, and Professor Keeling's tireless work, there is no question that our understanding and acceptance of human-induced global warming would be 10-20 years less advanced than it is today. Mauna Loa has been producing a readout which supports Manning's predetermined goal by showing steady growth in atmospheric CO2 concentrations since 1959. This record, highlighted in Al Gore's discredited movie An Inconvenient Truth, is known as the Keeling Curve. A graph of the curve is engraved on a bronze plaque mounted at the entrance to the Observatory’s Keeling Building, 10,000 feet above sea level on the rocky north flank of Mauna Loa. According to the Observatory website: "The undisturbed air, remote location, and minimal influences of vegetation and human activity at MLO are ideal for monitoring constituents in the atmosphere that can cause climate change." For some reason, they fail to mention the erupting volcano next door. In the world of global warming climate modeling, massive volcanic explosions are tied to short periods of regional or even global cooling caused by the injection of volcanic gases and particulates into the upper atmosphere. For instance, Mt. Pinatubo's 1991 explosion shot twenty million tons of sulfur dioxide into the upper atmosphere, deflecting as much as 12% of the sun's warming rays. Just thirty miles from the observatory, Kilauea's Pu`u O`o vent sends 3.3 million metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. That's enough to change local CO2 concentrations without producing the kind of SO2 volumes needed to have worldwide temperature effects. Pu`u O`o has been erupting continuously since 1983. Since 2008 it has been joined by a second eruption even closer to the Observatory -- from Halema`uma`u Crater at the top of Kilauea. The Nature Conservancy estimate of CO2 produced by human activity is roughly 5.5 tons from each of the world's six billion people. (If you exceed this amount, the Nature Conservancy will "offset" your excess carbon for a tax-deductable $20-per-ton contribution.) Pu`u O`o sends into "the undisturbed air" near "the remote location" the equivalent to yearly CO2 production from an average city of 660,000 people. Air trajectory charts show that most of the air reaching Mauna Loa Observatory first passes over Pu`u O`o and Halema`uma`u. A USGS fact sheet produced in 2000 describes the effect of "volcanic air pollution" from Pu`u O`o. "On the Island of Hawai`i, the trade winds blow the vog from its main source on the volcano to the southwest, where wind patterns send it up the island's Kona coast. Here, it becomes trapped by daytime (onshore) and nighttime (offshore) sea breezes. In contrast, when light 'Kona' winds blow, much of the vog is concentrated on the eastern side of the island, but some can even reach Oahu, more than 200 miles to the northwest." Volcanologists have measured CO2 concentrations as high as 48.9% at the Kilauea summit hotspot. After Halema`uma`u began erupting, the U.S. Department of Agriculture declared the Big Island of Hawaii to be a federal disaster area. Forty-five of the forty-eight protea growers downwind of the eruptions have been wiped out by VOG. In spite of the claims about "undisturbed air," there is a clear difference between eruption years and non-eruption years in the rate of growth of Mauna Loa CO2 readings. During the 1969-74 Mauna Ulu eruption, also in Kilauea’s East Rift, Mauna Loa set two records for CO2 increase. Kilauea’s East Rift again erupted in 1977, expelling 32 million cubic meters of magma -- and the 1977 rate of increase at Mauna Loa Observatory set another record. In seven of the 25 years of continuous eruption since 1983, annual CO2 growth rates measured at Mauna Loa exceeded those of all previous years. Average CO2 concentration increase for the 17 non-eruption years is 1.00 ppm. Average CO2 concentration increase for the 33 eruption years is 1.62 ppm. It wasn't always easy to win funding for Mauna Loa. Climategate collaborator Manning explains: "Dave Keeling suffered many sleepless nights, even as late as in the 1990s, being forced again and again to justify continued funding of his programme." A chapter of Spencer Weart’s 2008 book The Discovery of Global Warming lionizes Keeling’s efforts. Its title: "Money for Keeling: Monitoring CO2 Levels." But the funding did start to roll in, and Mauna Loa is no longer alone. A "global network" of over one hundred CO2 stations is now headed by Mauna Loa and four other "baseline" observatories. Their readouts are used to produce a worldwide CO2 readout called GLOBALVIEW CO2. If localized volcanic activity is affecting CO2 measurements at Mauna Loa, why would the "global network" be following along? Perhaps it's because all of the CO2 stations -- including the NOAA's other baseline stations at the South Pole; American Samoa; Trinidad Head, CA; and Pt. Barrow, AK -- are subject to localized, and in some cases regional, CO2 influences. The American Samoa observatory is about 150 miles downwind from where the one-mile wide Nafanua volcano has emerged. The undersea volcano is described by University of Sydney marine scientist Dr. Adele Pile as producing an undersea environment with an acidic pH of 3 (similar to vinegar), carbon dioxide bubbling up "like champagne," and extremely hot venting water so toxic that "any life swimming into this pit immediately dies, except these amazing scavenging worms." Woods Hole oceanographers report they "discovered that hot, smoggy water from the crater was spilling over the top or through breaches in the crater rim and billowing outward. It formed a halo around the rim that was hundreds of feet thick and extended more than 4 miles." In addition, Samoa's lush tropical vegetation is a big daytime consumer of CO2 thus dropping CO2 levels sharply during the day and raising them sharply at night. Trinidad Head Observatory is on a Northern California peninsula jutting into the Pacific about twenty miles north of Eureka, CA. Like Samoa, Trinidad Head is subject to substantial vegetation-driven changes in CO2 levels from the surrounding temperate forests and wetlands. The prevailing winds come in off the Pacific, which are influenced by coal-happy China. The South Pole Observatory is just yards away from a power plant which burns jet fuel 365 days a year to provide electricity and heat for Amundsen Station. (Researchers claim that prevailing winds come from the opposite direction.) It is also about 800 miles from Antarctica's Mt. Erebus volcano, which has continuously erupted since 1972. Because the atmosphere's ability to carry water vapor is cut approximately in half by every ten-degree-C drop in temperature, the extremely low temperatures at the South Pole mean that only trace amounts of water vapor are in the atmosphere. CO2 mixes with water vapor in the atmosphere to form H2CO3 (carbonic acid), giving rainfall a slightly acidic pH and washing CO2 from the air. The uniquely dry and cold conditions of the South Pole prevent this from occurring, thus altering the natural atmospheric carbon elimination process and magnifying the effect of CO2 sources. Amundsen Station personnel and emissions from the 12,000-foot Mt. Erebus volcano are also implicated in the 1990s ozone hole scam. The Observatory at Point Barrow, Alaska is about 170 miles downwind from the Prudhoe Bay headquarters of the North Slope oil industry. It is therefore subject to a localized increase in man-made air pollution, including CO2 emissions. Coincidentally, of course, the Barrow Observatory was established in 1973 -- just before construction began on the Trans-Alaska Pipeline. Barrow is also annually subject to several months of "Arctic haze," which University of Alaska Geophysicist Ned Rozell indicates is from ex-Soviet and new Chinese "iron, nickel and copper smelters and inefficient coal-burning plants." CO2 produced by China's massive and growing reliance on coal is being used to justify CO2 controls on the U.S. and Europe. The Pacific bias of these five "baseline" locations is hard to miss. If one were seeking CO2 increases, downwind of China would be the place to go find them. The NOAA's preference for warm maritime CO2 collection sites on ocean waters between 30 degrees north and 30 degrees south -- including many reached only by boat -- means that "flask network" collections are primarily conducted in highly humid areas. When the flasks are returned to Mauna Loa, the water vapor is removed by heating. This process breaks H2O out of the carbolic acid, leaving behind the CO2 to be measured in the dry air sample. Besides the South Pole, few CO2 flasks are sent to low-humidity desert areas with less airborne carbolic acid to measure as CO2. All of these variables create the opportunity for mischief. Local CO2 consumption by photosynthesis can produce a profound daylight decline and nighttime increase in CO2 concentrations. Calculations to account for these and other local or regional fluctuations create a lot of room for "hiding the decline," "fudge factors," and the other CRU-style techniques characteristic of politically-driven "post-normal" science. As the Copenhagen talks approach, the November 23 AP headline blares: "Mauna Loa Observatory's carbon dioxide readings near worst-case scenario." In the midst of the Climategate revelations, the AP replicates global warming front-man Geoff Jenkins' 1996 Climategate scam by releasing "projected" CO2 concentrations of 390 ppm early -- the "highest for the past million years" -- "for the silly season." In 2008, Mauna Loa readings of 387 ppm were supposed to be "The highest in 650,000 years," according to the U.K.'s Guardian. Can't they make up their minds? Of course, neither the AP nor the Guardian makes note of the fact that the latest CO2 increases come in the midst of a climatic cooling cycle. Nor are the "paleo"-records of CO2 "for the past million years" questioned, even as "paleo"-temperature records are completely discredited as being the fraudulent work of politically motivated hacks at the East Anglia CRU. Instead, AP-readers are expected to trust "[t]he Mauna Loa researchers [who] extend their measurements through their 'flask network' -- containers sent to dozens of places around the world each week or carried on commercial ships so people can fill them with air and send them back to be measured for CO2 and other gases." The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) boldly announces the methodology behind its worldwide CO2 chart created from these "Flask Network" readings: GLOBALVIEW-CO2 is derived using the data extension and data integration techniques described by Masarie and Tans [1995]. The impetus for the work done by the many cooperating organizations and institutions is to make atmospheric measurements of trace gas species that will facilitate a better understanding of the processes controlling their abundance. These and other measurements have been widely used to constrain atmospheric models that derive plausible source/sink scenarios. Serious obstacles to this approach are the paucity of sampling sites and the lack of temporal continuity among observations from different locations. Consequently, there is the potential for models to misinterpret these spatial and temporal gaps resulting in derived source/sink scenarios that are unduly influenced by the sampling distribution. GLOBALVIEW-CO2 is an attempt to address these issues. ... In case readers don't get the point, the NOAA also explains (emphasis in original): GLOBALVIEW-CO2 is derived from measurements but contains no actual data. To facilitate use with carbon cycle modeling studies, the measurements have been processed (smoothed, interpolated, and extrapolated) resulting in extended records that are evenly incremented in time. Processed, smoothed, interpolated, and extrapolated? Data extension? Data integration? No actual data? Making atmospheric measurements that will facilitate a predetermined conclusion? |
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Sure hope you copied and pasted all that,
Would have said why not just post the link but it seems all links have to be approved by photodu.de these days Wikipedia eh, A veritable bastion of reliable info http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&safe=off...da1a6f71d89fd6 |
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If climate science were conducted the way science is supposed to be conducted there would likely be no concerns about global warming and it would certainly be clear that there is NO CONSENSUS... ... But there's no profits in that for the controllers and they need their impending global catastrophe to further empower the non-elected totally unaccountable undemocratic supra-national collectivist UN. And the beat goes on... |
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Well, if CO2 is a pollutant, you better never try to revive anyone by giving them rescue breaths. After all, you'd be "poisoning them with your CO2".
I recently learned about this "Snowball Earth" theory; about 650 million years ago, the Earth was completely frozen. They say it's estimated that the CO2 levels needed to thaw that were 250 times the levels of today. So where did all that CO2 go? It must still be here somewhere... How about Mt. Pinatubo eruption? Didn't that lower global temperatures for like 2 or 3 years because of all ash in the atmosphere? I hate pollution because I don't want to get cancer, but I don't think we can do much about the warming, other than move a bit farther north. Personally, I've always wanted to check out Montana... Another piece of bad news: the sun will be entering a new phase of peak activity in its 11 year cycles, so prepare for more toasty times...
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Clearly scientists have failed to account for the CO2 that comes from UFO tail pipes! How do you think those Motherships and their Swarm stay up in the air? They are producing ENORMOUS plumes of exhaust, and the mind-control machines are doubtless massive energy hogs! Where is the accounting of these pollution sources in the scientific data? Missing? HIDDEN?!? Can you say "coverup"?!?!!
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Unlike some of the some of the readers of this thread, you know who you are bkround and yarr, this guy gets it:
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He's a nukular physicist AND a meteorologist. I'm impressed.
Yessss the "magic bullet" of "said thorium" (wait where did I say it before? or is it throium? you'd think I'd learn to use spell check some time on my way to becoming a world renowned scientist with respected views). What's with those stupid electric companies setting up multi billion dollar wind and solar farms. Why don't they just use this free energy? And yes, I agree with you fmicle. If a few people would just stop breathing this whole global warming thing would be solved. |
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We waste energy... because is not about warming or efficieny
More on the thorium cycle reactor and the energy independence your loving government (NOT) will not let you have...
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Don't you think we'd be much better off if they stopped farting instead?
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Just imagine what would be happening if the US would not have made marijuana illegal in 1937 . We would have an endless and renewable source of ethanol .
You don't think really think marijuana is illegal b/c it is bad for you , ...do you ? Oil companies realized long ago that marijuana would put them out of business and then successfully lobbied against marijuana . Wait , did I just throw a monkey in somebody's wrench .....awww snap .
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