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taKuto · 08-02-2007, 06:57 PM

I consider the ">" symbol to represent "is greater than". So I meant to say that HID projectors are better than HID reflectors in my opinion. Good thing we cleared that up.

GabL · 08-02-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by taKuto

what do you mean by 'wrong again'? If I'm wrong for posting an opinion, just say so, you don't have to make me look like an idiot.

GabL, what you will want to do is make a separate wiring harness for the HID's. You will use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb.

taKuto, what do you mean by "use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb"? Don't quite get it...

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GuySmily · 08-03-2007, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GabL

GuySmily,

Your diagram shows the connection for H4 HID bulb, will it work with the headlight unit? Can I not just match up the wires (high beam/DRL to halegon, parking to parking, and low beam to HID)?

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Originally Posted by GabL

taKuto, what do you mean by "use the low-beam, and the high-beam as the trigger wires, but the high-beam wire will also go to the high-beam bulb"? Don't quite get it...

Where the diagram says H4, it means the stock bulb, not the HID.

Yes, you can match the parking lamp wires from your new housing directly to the stock wires. Yes, you can match the high beam wires up.

There is NO DRL wire. We'll have to sort out how to keep the DRLs working later...

But no, you CANNOT match the low beam wire to the HID. Because your new headlights retain a full halogen bulb for the high beam, it is VERY important to find a different power source for the HID. Remember, the stock wires are only designed to power one bulb (either low or high) at a time. In your case, when you use your high beams, the low and high will be on SIMULTANEOUSLY (to prevent damage to the low beam when flashing at night). This would put too much strain on the stock wiring and is a dangerous choice.

What taKuto said about triggering the HIDs can be simplified.. If you notice in my diagram, to trigger the HIDs you don't use low OR high beam wires at all... You use the common wire!

The common wire doesn't care whether the high beam or low beam is on. As long as one of them is on, it will provide 12 volts. For reasons I explained in the other thread, your HID bulb MUST STAY ON when you flash your high beams to prevent damage.

Here is the same diagram with everything erased except for the low beam / HID:

Basically, for wiring up the low beam HID:
-Use the stock +12v headlight wire (common) to trigger your relay.
-Don't even touch the stock low beam (ground) wire.

There is one flaw to this setup:
What if your headlights are off and you flash someone several times?
Because your HIDs are triggered by the common +12v wire (which powers your high beams), your HIDs will flash with your high beam bulbs.

I have NEVER had to use my high beams to signal someone (instead, by habit, I use hand signals or some other method to get my message across), so for the retrofit on my car I chose simply to ignore this problem. There is another, more complicated circuit which involves the use of diodes, more relays, and all 3 stock wires. Let me know if you're interested and I can dig it up. But if you don't flash people in daylight (or can break that habit) then I'd say don't bother.

GabL · 08-03-2007, 08:40 AM

hmm... it's more complicated than I thought... I was thinking a direct wire to wire change will take cares of this project, but it seems to involve more than I thought. Have to dig up my ECE books to check what those symbols in the circuit means. hahaha! And also need to find a relay and sort out which wire is which...

GabL · 08-03-2007, 08:47 AM

Isn't the DRL wire the same as the High Beam wire, just with lower voltage supplied? As I thought the DRL uses the same filament as the High Beam, just with lower voltage?

I don't think I or my gf (she's driving the car mostly) will ever flash anyone.

*Chris07LB* · 08-03-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GabL

I don't think I or my gf will ever flash anyone.

Not even for some beads?

LMAO.

taKuto · 08-03-2007, 04:12 PM

the DRL is the low beam wire for the echo/yaris.

IIRC I think the 12V wire for the H4 plug is always powered, even when the car is off. When I have time, I'll double check that on my car.

Violin · 08-03-2007, 09:56 PM

It gets even more complicated to wire up the Yaris so you can flash the high beams because of the way our cars our wired. The power is always on, even when the lights are switched off. The high and low beams are switched by way of the ground. Here's how I wired mine:

Unfortunately, the high beam indicator no longer works with this setup. I tried many different resistors to fool the car into thinking there was a low beam filament there but to no avail. I finally wired up an LED on my dash as a high beam indicator.

Violin · 08-03-2007, 09:57 PM

R1, R2 and R3 are relays.

Violin · 08-03-2007, 09:59 PM

$650 was a great price BTW. Good luck getting them working.

GabL · 08-03-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Violin

$650 was a great price BTW. Good luck getting them working.

If I get it to work! haha

GuySmily · 08-04-2007, 02:03 AM

Wow, the 12v is on even with the car off? I didn't expect that... Sorry for not taking that into consideration, because that does change a few things...

Violin, instead of resistors, have you tried using a small bulb like a turn signal bulb? I would just find somewhere to tuck it away, or even use it to light up the engine bay =p

taKuto · 08-04-2007, 02:17 AM

GabL, i'm sure the only difficulty you'll have is the wiring harness for the HID's. The schematic drawn up by Violin looks to be correct. Just build one of those and you're set.

Violin · 08-04-2007, 08:45 AM

If the thought of building a harness scares you, there are plenty of harness builders around. Just explain exactly what you need - that schematic would help a lot.

It would be cheap compared to what you've already invested. Check here for some: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20144

Violin · 08-04-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GuySmily

Wow, the 12v is on even with the car off?

Not the car (ignition), the light switch.

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Originally Posted by GuySmily

Violin, instead of resistors, have you tried using a small bulb like a turn signal bulb? I would just find somewhere to tuck it away, or even use it to light up the engine bay =p

Possible, although I've already drilled a hole in my dash for the LED, so I'm done.

GabL · 08-06-2007, 10:39 PM

Just wanted to confirm, is the DRL in our current H4 bulb uses the high beam filament? If so, shouldn't the high beam wire and the DRL be the same with just different voltage supplied at different time? i.e. at DRL, a lower voltage is supplied, and at high beam, full 12V is supplied through the same wire? If this is the case, then I can just wire the high beam wire to the halogen bulb of the new HID unit using the same concept? Thanks in advance.

*Chris07LB* · 08-07-2007, 08:19 AM

The key word there is, in "our" headlights. Being as everything is seperate in your new kick ass one's, they may wire things differently right from the start.

I would look into Volins suggestion of someone making up a harness and figuring everything out for you. Might save you some stress in the long run.

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08-02-2007, 06:57 PM	#37
taKuto rice rocket Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 163	I consider the ">" symbol to represent "is greater than". So I meant to say that HID projectors are better than HID reflectors in my opinion. Good thing we cleared that up.

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GabL I want JDM bumpers! View User's Garage Drives: 5 Dr Yaris RS in Blazing Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 419	hmm... it's more complicated than I thought... I was thinking a direct wire to wire change will take cares of this project, but it seems to involve more than I thought. Have to dig up my ECE books to check what those symbols in the circuit means. hahaha! And also need to find a relay and sort out which wire is which...

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GabL I want JDM bumpers! View User's Garage Drives: 5 Dr Yaris RS in Blazing Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 419	Isn't the DRL wire the same as the High Beam wire, just with lower voltage supplied? As I thought the DRL uses the same filament as the High Beam, just with lower voltage? I don't think I or my gf (she's driving the car mostly) will ever flash anyone.

08-03-2007, 04:12 PM	#44
taKuto rice rocket Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 163	the DRL is the low beam wire for the echo/yaris. IIRC I think the 12V wire for the H4 plug is always powered, even when the car is off. When I have time, I'll double check that on my car.

08-03-2007, 09:56 PM	#45
Violin View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,592	It gets even more complicated to wire up the Yaris so you can flash the high beams because of the way our cars our wired. The power is always on, even when the lights are switched off. The high and low beams are switched by way of the ground. Here's how I wired mine: Unfortunately, the high beam indicator no longer works with this setup. I tried many different resistors to fool the car into thinking there was a low beam filament there but to no avail. I finally wired up an LED on my dash as a high beam indicator.

08-03-2007, 09:57 PM	#46
Violin View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,592	R1, R2 and R3 are relays.

08-03-2007, 09:59 PM	#47
Violin View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,592	$650 was a great price BTW. Good luck getting them working.

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GuySmily Drives: 2005 Toyota MR2 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA, USA Posts: 158	Wow, the 12v is on even with the car off? I didn't expect that... Sorry for not taking that into consideration, because that does change a few things... Violin, instead of resistors, have you tried using a small bulb like a turn signal bulb? I would just find somewhere to tuck it away, or even use it to light up the engine bay =p

08-04-2007, 02:17 AM	#50
taKuto rice rocket Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 163	GabL, i'm sure the only difficulty you'll have is the wiring harness for the HID's. The schematic drawn up by Violin looks to be correct. Just build one of those and you're set.

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GabL I want JDM bumpers! View User's Garage Drives: 5 Dr Yaris RS in Blazing Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 419	Just wanted to confirm, is the DRL in our current H4 bulb uses the high beam filament? If so, shouldn't the high beam wire and the DRL be the same with just different voltage supplied at different time? i.e. at DRL, a lower voltage is supplied, and at high beam, full 12V is supplied through the same wire? If this is the case, then I can just wire the high beam wire to the halogen bulb of the new HID unit using the same concept? Thanks in advance.

08-07-2007, 08:19 AM	#54
Chris07LB Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Liftback Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,174	The key word there is, in "our" headlights. Being as everything is seperate in your new kick ass one's, they may wire things differently right from the start. I would look into Volins suggestion of someone making up a harness and figuring everything out for you. Might save you some stress in the long run.