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Phaeton · 11-02-2009, 10:43 PM

Ford has turned themselves around in the last 2 years. The build quality and reliability is on par with toyota on a lot of the newer Ford's. I've owned some real P.O.S. Ford's in the past, but I'm tempted to buy a new F-150 for my job down the road.

Altitude · 11-02-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

I did one of my 400 level Business school papers on this subject. American car companies go for the immediate bottom line. Japanese companies favor an outlook of long term corporate sucess.

+1

Though it's not limited to automobile companies, it's American corporations in general. Even when we manage to innovate something big you can be sure the rights and patents will be sold to the highest bidder.

mr9865 · 11-02-2009, 11:46 PM

What I like about the 2 ford's I've had is the styling and interior. The mpg and the build quality are average, and both have come from Mexico. (escort and my focus)

talnlnky · 11-03-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1

+1

GM did it wrong, and builds junk, always builds junk and can never change
that is why they went in the crapper

Ford is the typically the ONLY US car manufacturer whose products can
compare to Japan, and consumers know that. Ford does things right, mostly.

I'd take a Ford over anything (besides Toyota) if I had to....

yeah... I think FORD hit a fork in the road (and chose the better path) back in 97 when they bought Mazda... IMO mazda's quality went down a tad... but ford's went up. GF could use a new truck... for pulling her 3 horses around... currently has a 96 chevy with a 454.... Someday we'll be forced to buy... if it was tomorrow... we'd be looking at ford... cause we be po (and can't afford toyota). Ford has been the only domestic to look to for the past decade.

Bob Dog · 11-03-2009, 05:16 PM

One thing america has always tended to do best is build large trucks.

*tomato* · 11-03-2009, 05:19 PM

I see a lot of older US made pick-up trucks on the road all the time.

supmet · 11-03-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaeton

Ford has turned themselves around in the last 2 years. The build quality and reliability is on par with toyota on a lot of the newer Ford's. I've owned some real P.O.S. Ford's in the past, but I'm tempted to buy a new F-150 for my job down the road.

Because the commercial said so????

How... HOW in god's name can you know the quality of something built in the last 2 years. EVERY CAR lasts 2 years.........

"I've wasted thousands of dollars on fords over the years, my toyota has never had a problem, but those commercials and consumer reports say ford is the best, so I'll ignore all real world data, and go with what they say."

Kal-El · 11-03-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by supmet

Because the commercial said so????

How... HOW in god's name can you know the quality of something built in the last 2 years. EVERY CAR lasts 2 years.........

"I've wasted thousands of dollars on fords over the years, my toyota has never had a problem, but those commercials and consumer reports say ford is the best, so I'll ignore all real world data, and go with what they say."

You have a point about long term quality being the real test. So far though, the Ford Fusion/Milan (out for 4 years) surpass the quality ratings of Camry and Accord making them among the most reliable cars available. That's huge.

Bob Dog · 11-03-2009, 11:56 PM

According to who?

Shroomster · 11-04-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by frownonfun

it's weird some of you guys see many ford police vehicles. i see very few around here. mostly dodges and chevys and oddly enough a few tundras. not too many fords though. hmm. oh well.

only thing of Ford that any of the response teams use (police, fire, rescue, sherrif, highway patrol etc.) is the Explorer. EVERYTHING CRUISER is an IMPALA, and everything not car/truck based is some sort of truck/chassis company (usually goes by who wins bids to build)

Kal-El · 11-04-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

According to who?

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...mentid=1101555

Consumer Reports, JD Power, ect...

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The Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan once again beat the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry. The upscale Lincoln MKZ beat its rivals, the Acura TL and Lexus ES.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still stick with Toyota (or Honda) as I suspect long term reliability to still be better.

Fact of the matter is, though, is Ford has made huge strides yet people in this thread continue to say they are junk when they don't know what they are talking about. Things can change, just look at Hyundai. Once complete garbage, now among the highest in quality.

Mouse · 11-04-2009, 11:11 AM

I think people are missing a big component that Ford has over GM and Chrysler. That has contributed to their success. Ford has a bigger international market share compared to the other 2. To my understanding Fords in europe are fairly common. GM and Chrysler cant sell anything outside of N.A. that isn't a Corvette or Viper.

firemachine69 · 11-04-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

This has nothing to do with bailouts, and everything to do with the preposterous disregard of the American comsumer by American corporations. Ford is profitting, not so much because they build a really good product, but because they build the least awful product one can buy if one feels compelled to drive an American vehicle.

Funny. Ford's been ranking higher than Toyota in the quality department, for a while now. Maybe it's time for a reality check?

TLyttle · 11-04-2009, 12:49 PM

Not sure where you get that info, Mouse, GM and Chrysler have a very large presence in Europe. There are very few people who want to drive US-made vehicles there; one only has to look at the streets to see why... All three companies own manufacturers nearly everywhere in the world, and make no secret about about the ownership.

Every once in awhile a US-built vehicle is seen, but it usually has plates showing it to be owned by a military serviceman. Biggest laugh for me on the autobahn was watching a restored 396 Chevelle, wallowing along in the left lane at 115mph+, with a row of assorted Golfs, Mercs and Porsches flashing their lights at him to get the hell out of the way.

Bob Dog · 11-04-2009, 01:18 PM

I'm not speaking just of durability , but drivability

Mouse · 11-04-2009, 01:45 PM

TLyttle: You're right...Seriously. I assumed so after reading this article.....http://media.ford.com/news/fordofeur...arebarrier.htm

RedRide · 11-04-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mouse

I think people are missing a big component that Ford has over GM and Chrysler. That has contributed to their success. Ford has a bigger international market share compared to the other 2. To my understanding Fords in europe are fairly common. GM and Chrysler cant sell anything outside of N.A. that isn't a Corvette or Viper.

Excellent point and correct.

Ford is a global company. GM is mainly a a US company.

BTW, if I was in the market for a a pickup, I would get a Ford.

Kal-El · 11-04-2009, 10:49 PM

GM is very much a global company. They were the largest automaker in the world for 77 years straight. You can't do that without being successful worldwide.

GM is China's biggest selling foreign automaker. And china is slightly large.

Are you guy's forgetting Opel and Vauxhall, GM's European brands that contain tons of models that we don't have here?

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11-02-2009, 10:43 PM	#19
Phaeton View User's Garage Drives: Blazing Blue Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Port Angeles, Wa Posts: 385	Ford has turned themselves around in the last 2 years. The build quality and reliability is on par with toyota on a lot of the newer Ford's. I've owned some real P.O.S. Ford's in the past, but I'm tempted to buy a new F-150 for my job down the road.

11-03-2009, 05:16 PM	#23
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	One thing america has always tended to do best is build large trucks.

11-04-2009, 11:11 AM	#30
Mouse Drives: 2007 MX5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 338	I think people are missing a big component that Ford has over GM and Chrysler. That has contributed to their success. Ford has a bigger international market share compared to the other 2. To my understanding Fords in europe are fairly common. GM and Chrysler cant sell anything outside of N.A. that isn't a Corvette or Viper.

11-04-2009, 12:49 PM	#32
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Not sure where you get that info, Mouse, GM and Chrysler have a very large presence in Europe. There are very few people who want to drive US-made vehicles there; one only has to look at the streets to see why... All three companies own manufacturers nearly everywhere in the world, and make no secret about about the ownership. Every once in awhile a US-built vehicle is seen, but it usually has plates showing it to be owned by a military serviceman. Biggest laugh for me on the autobahn was watching a restored 396 Chevelle, wallowing along in the left lane at 115mph+, with a row of assorted Golfs, Mercs and Porsches flashing their lights at him to get the hell out of the way.

11-04-2009, 01:18 PM	#33
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	I'm not speaking just of durability , but drivability

11-04-2009, 01:45 PM	#34
Mouse Drives: 2007 MX5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 338	TLyttle: You're right...Seriously. I assumed so after reading this article.....http://media.ford.com/news/fordofeur...arebarrier.htm

11-04-2009, 10:49 PM	#36
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	GM is very much a global company. They were the largest automaker in the world for 77 years straight. You can't do that without being successful worldwide. GM is China's biggest selling foreign automaker. And china is slightly large. Are you guy's forgetting Opel and Vauxhall, GM's European brands that contain tons of models that we don't have here?