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Tamago · 06-07-2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan

I'd like to see a small turbo, simple set up done on a yaris and I honestly hope it works out for you which ever turbo you choose but I just want to see it done not just discussed. Seems to be a general consensus that it could be done but then again in theory the xa/xb transmission should work too

- it sucks to be the first one to jump in and get it done, but at least you'd know exactly how/why it did or didnt work

sorry friend :(

The Spectacle · 06-07-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

YOU REALLY REALLY should just shut the F up at this point.

you don't understand in the LEAST how VVTi and knock sensors work, do you?

lol now this is getting fun...

So I bring up a valid point about timing and you're answer is to leave it to the knock sensor?? Seriously? So since I have no idea what I'm talking about, maybe you can explain what the ECU does when it detects knock. Pull timing right? Right...but how much? Until it stops knocking? Do you know how, pun intended, retarded that sounds? The knock sensor is designed to pull timing based on IAT's, variances in octane, and a few other factors...not to make up for not having the proper values in the timing map to reference in relation to positive pressure.

I'm going to pretend that you didn't mention VVTi seeing how it has no relevance here. But maybe you can explain that one too.

Morgan · 06-07-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

sorry friend :(

its ok, but now I know that an xa/xb transmission will fit but not work in a yaris

Tamago · 06-07-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Spectacle

lol now this is getting fun...

So I bring up a valid point about timing and you're answer is to leave it to the knock sensor?? Seriously? So since I have no idea what I'm talking about, maybe you can explain what the ECU does when it detects knock. Pull timing right? Right...but how much? Until it stops knocking? Do you know how, pun intended, retarded that sounds? The knock sensor is designed to pull timing based on IAT's, variances in octane, and a few other factors...not to make up for not having the proper values in the timing map to reference in relation to positive pressure.

I'm going to pretend that you didn't mention VVTi seeing how it has no relevance here. But maybe you can explain that one too.

you have no experience with forced induction in the 1nzfe.

i do

i know what works safely.

you're going on my ignore list, not worth my time answering your retarded arguments.

The Spectacle · 06-07-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

you have no experience with forced induction in the 1nzfe.

i do

i know what works safely.

you're going on my ignore list, not worth my time answering your retarded arguments.

Cute. Guess I got under someone's skin lol

Anyone else venture to go toe to toe with me on the merits of boosting a car without proper engine management? I've got nothing else to do today.

cali yaris · 06-07-2009, 04:54 PM

Nope, not going to argue with an armchair expert with respect to the 1NZ-FE. I have other stuff to do today.

I've never recommended jumping into a turbo project without being clear on the risks to your motor and your wallet. You haven't read many of my posts if that is what you think.

The Spectacle · 06-07-2009, 05:09 PM

You guys talk about having experience with the 1nz-fe like its some kind of technical marvel. Its a 100hp motor for god sakes.

Nexus1155 · 06-07-2009, 08:58 PM

And what experience do you have and on what cars pray tell? I'd love to hear your adventures

ka0sx · 06-07-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Spectacle

You guys talk about having experience with the 1nz-fe like its some kind of technical marvel. Its a 100hp motor for god sakes.

need i quote the line?

cali yaris · 06-08-2009, 12:27 AM

"you have failed me for the last time, captain"?

is that right? do I win something?

ka0sx · 06-08-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

"you have failed me for the last time, captain"?

is that right? do I win something?

if i ever see you in person i will hand you a stale old cookie =P
that is the actual line from the scene, but i was refering to the "motivational" version "i find your lack of faith disturbing"

refering to

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Spectacle(the unimpressionable)

You guys talk about having experience with the 1nz-fe like its some kind of technical marvel. Its a 100hp motor for god sakes.

who apparently is oblivious to the amount of engineering that goes into a modern engine. Especially no credit is given to the software and computer engineering advances that allow these engines to act and adapt in such a versatile fashion.

anonymous user · 06-08-2009, 02:14 AM

*subscribed* :)

cdydjded · 06-08-2009, 11:45 AM

Let me put my .02 cents on this one, can you run a turbo kit without any management? absolutely, its been done with the Yaris & 100's of other cars, is it safe? well that depends, shit does happens it can last forever or it can last 5 minutes, would a boosted Yaris run better & be safer with management, again absolutely, what I think the problem here is that to many people are venturing into things that they do not understand, if you have no experience in modifying your car my opinion is to take it to a pro, if you want to learn by doing & willing to take a chance by all means go for it.

cdydjded · 06-08-2009, 11:48 AM

Before I forget, can we get a sticky about the fuel system, I seen the suggestion on a fuel pressure regulator 1 to many times, its a returnless system you cant use a FPR unless you convert to a return system

cdydjded · 06-08-2009, 11:57 AM

To the OP, where did you get GT17? Garrett's small turbos are :
GT12, GT15, GT20 & GT22
Is it another brand? Garm used a GT25R I believe with good results. Be careful on small turbo's, some use weird flanges that are not common, so be ready to have them custom made which is no big deal but you have to find someone that can make them for you

Tamago · 06-08-2009, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka0sx

if i ever see you in person i will hand you a stale old cookie =P
that is the actual line from the scene, but i was refering to the "motivational" version "i find your lack of faith disturbing"

refering to

who apparently is oblivious to the amount of engineering that goes into a modern engine. Especially no credit is given to the software and computer engineering advances that allow these engines to act and adapt in such a versatile fashion.

and the fact that it makes some of the best hp/lb of ANY engine in any car in the world.

06silveryaris · 06-08-2009, 12:50 PM

I do not know what is the big deal when someone wants to do "something out of the norm" or not buying some "kit",of course it would work with no intercooler and an after market piggy back or ecu. Just do bigger injectors.I have seen people here do that with Hyundais Brio and Mitsubishis mirages they even get pipes done cheap at a mufflershop. Doesn't look pretty all but it works. For a low boost aplication it will be just fine. budget turbo the butt dyno is happy and so is the wallet.

Tamago · 06-08-2009, 01:27 PM

if i were to do it again, i'd trade engine management for a good solid water/meth injection setup. (on low boost)

06-07-2009, 04:54 PM	#42
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	Nope, not going to argue with an armchair expert with respect to the 1NZ-FE. I have other stuff to do today. I've never recommended jumping into a turbo project without being clear on the risks to your motor and your wallet. You haven't read many of my posts if that is what you think. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

06-07-2009, 05:09 PM	#43
The Spectacle View User's Garage Drives: 08 BSP LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 218	You guys talk about having experience with the 1nz-fe like its some kind of technical marvel. Its a 100hp motor for god sakes. __________________

06-08-2009, 12:27 AM	#46
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	"you have failed me for the last time, captain"? is that right? do I win something? __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

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