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xbgod · 10-10-2010, 02:15 AM

Nexus,

Here's the bottom line on all of this. Webb is a great cam company, I enjoy working with them. The problem with this motor of ours is not even Webb can make the springs or custom ground Buckets to make their cams work. They can make you a awsome cam grind to what ever you like but then your on your own for the rest. Webb likes to use Vance&hines to do this other work but after talking with Joe V. from Vance & Hines they don't want the aggervation of this head with so little demand in their eyes.

People are bad mouthing Gude on the issue of no proven dyno numbers and the way he operates and People think his web-site is crappy.

Like I've always said a picture is worth a thousand words and so is pretty packaging. Which is what most people need to see to feel secure in their purchase.

Gude is old school, no facy box, no 800 number, no huge sales staff standing by. It's him and his wife and a few employees. If you take the time to look up Bill Gude you will see he is a Aerospace Engineer and has done numerous military projects and has been in the performance business for 20 years.

They take the family approach with their customers no fancy bullshit just straight talk. The people that have gotten 1NZ-FE head packages from him have also taken them apart and are now having problems putting them back together. Like the guy from this site that got one. I just talked to bill and he told me that this person had to send his stuff back in for reassembly because he took it apart for what ever reason and cant get the proper clearences now. So Bill "For free" is putting it all back for him. It's these things you don't hear about.

People consume them selves with a fancy label or a high-end sales team. One thing I do know from this racing busineess is that most of highest HP motors are done by shops and people you would never know. These guys are real secret like and don't care to sell to the masses. It's like Pro -Stock NHRA racing these guys that do the head and cams for these motors are so secret that good luck finding a guy to do one for you.

The other thing I've seen around here is patience is in no ones fore-thought when building a motor. It takes time and more time. The head from Gude that I'm getting will have taken 3 months to get done. I asked for the works sparing no short cuts. I want to report back to you guys with great results.

Now not eveyone will do what I've done but it will be a platform for all to work from.

So with my advice Bill Gude is still the number one guy to go to for this motor at this time.

XBG

cali yaris · 10-10-2010, 12:18 PM

The only problem with a total build like yours is that no one will ever know how much each part contributed to the power you get. You won't be able to say the head or the cams or any particular element made X horsepower for you. It's not a criticism, as I did the same thing.

People are just not going to buy a product until they see some proof of what that product (and only that product) does for a power gain.

I think the manufacturer has a responsibility to take a stock car, dyno it, put on their part, and dyno it again. Maybe we will just disagree on that detail.

Parmas · 10-10-2010, 12:32 PM

I like both answers of XBG and Garm fullstop!

xbgod · 10-10-2010, 12:33 PM

no Garm I don't disagree, you are right without a baseline dyno on a N/A motor you'll never know.

The only real input I will be able to give everyone is how well it looks how well it's assembled and the craftsmanship of the parts.

XBG

cali yaris · 10-10-2010, 09:42 PM

^ and your final numbers!

xbgod · 10-11-2010, 12:53 AM

Yes, my final numbers.....that will interesting. I think I have like 22 boxes of parts waiting on me at home now.

Well guys it will be a week or so before my next post. My flight was delayed yesterday but today I'm on the move.

Will chat when I'm state side in a few day or so.

XBG

Flipper_1938 · 10-30-2010, 12:17 PM

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moh · 11-20-2010, 12:16 PM

waiting for result ..

H3LlIoN · 11-22-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgod

The people that have gotten 1NZ-FE head packages from him have also taken them apart and are now having problems putting them back together. Like the guy from this site that got one. I just talked to bill and he told me that this person had to send his stuff back in for reassembly because he took it apart for what ever reason and cant get the proper clearences now. So Bill "For free" is putting it all back for him. It's these things you don't hear about.

AFAIK, I am the only "guy from this site that got one" and this is untrue. I never sent anything back to Bill. However, the head didn't come assembled....he sent the shims/buckets in separate packaging. It was pretty easy to get them all back in though, as he had sharpied each one so we knew what went where. Perhaps you are thinking of someone from a different site.

Shinare · 11-22-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgod

Not worth 1,635.00 USD. for about a 30 hp gain....

I don't know... I see people laying out $3,800 for a blitz supercharger only to get like 50-80 hp extra.... If my rounding in my head figuring is correct, that's about right, heh.

thebarber · 11-22-2010, 12:27 PM

$100/hp is average....

$60/hp is a good deal

cali yaris · 11-22-2010, 01:55 PM

Shinare, are you including management and tuning?
$1635 doesn't include install or tuning. I don't see how you could avoid CELs just bolting in cams and beating up on the car.

The Blitz comes pre-tuned with its own management - a big plus for people who don't want to experiment or don't have access to or funds for dyno tuning.

Shinare · 11-22-2010, 03:24 PM

^^ True, I'm just sayin its odd to hear someone balk at $1,600 for a comparatively good gain in hp on our engines when there's much more expensive things to buy out there.

I know nothing about the matter really, a noob wrencher here. Thats why I'm looking forward to your all-in-one turbo kit sometime in the future.

xbgod · 11-22-2010, 07:17 PM

My head went on today from Gude with no issues or problems. We measured everything and rechecked all tolorances. Putting it back to TDC and getting correct timming was a breeze. New pics soon to follow and headed to CFT to retune Monday the 29th.

XBG

H3LlIoN · 11-22-2010, 07:26 PM

Mine had lateral gear alignment issues, so we just had someone mill a custom timing gear and balance for it...all problems solved and running nice.

Bluevitz-rs · 11-22-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by H3LlIoN

... running nice.

Have you dynoed it yet? Still curious about actual power gains.

H3LlIoN · 11-22-2010, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I don't see how you could avoid CELs just bolting in cams and beating up on the car.

Gude head/cams have not thrown any CEL's as of yet. As per management, I will have the camcon settings from the dyno guy on Monday, as long as he still is game to play with it.

H3LlIoN · 11-22-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluevitz-rs

Have you dynoed it yet? Still curious about actual power gains.

Dyno appt set for Monday @ 10. Head/Cams, then Head/Cams/Camcon. Unable to dyno just the cams...they won't fit in the stock head.

10-10-2010, 02:15 AM	#19
xbgod Banned Drives: "Burning It Down GTX2860RS XB" Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 349	Nexus, Here's the bottom line on all of this. Webb is a great cam company, I enjoy working with them. The problem with this motor of ours is not even Webb can make the springs or custom ground Buckets to make their cams work. They can make you a awsome cam grind to what ever you like but then your on your own for the rest. Webb likes to use Vance&hines to do this other work but after talking with Joe V. from Vance & Hines they don't want the aggervation of this head with so little demand in their eyes. People are bad mouthing Gude on the issue of no proven dyno numbers and the way he operates and People think his web-site is crappy. Like I've always said a picture is worth a thousand words and so is pretty packaging. Which is what most people need to see to feel secure in their purchase. Gude is old school, no facy box, no 800 number, no huge sales staff standing by. It's him and his wife and a few employees. If you take the time to look up Bill Gude you will see he is a Aerospace Engineer and has done numerous military projects and has been in the performance business for 20 years. They take the family approach with their customers no fancy bullshit just straight talk. The people that have gotten 1NZ-FE head packages from him have also taken them apart and are now having problems putting them back together. Like the guy from this site that got one. I just talked to bill and he told me that this person had to send his stuff back in for reassembly because he took it apart for what ever reason and cant get the proper clearences now. So Bill "For free" is putting it all back for him. It's these things you don't hear about. People consume them selves with a fancy label or a high-end sales team. One thing I do know from this racing busineess is that most of highest HP motors are done by shops and people you would never know. These guys are real secret like and don't care to sell to the masses. It's like Pro -Stock NHRA racing these guys that do the head and cams for these motors are so secret that good luck finding a guy to do one for you. The other thing I've seen around here is patience is in no ones fore-thought when building a motor. It takes time and more time. The head from Gude that I'm getting will have taken 3 months to get done. I asked for the works sparing no short cuts. I want to report back to you guys with great results. Now not eveyone will do what I've done but it will be a platform for all to work from. So with my advice Bill Gude is still the number one guy to go to for this motor at this time. XBG Last edited by xbgod; 10-10-2010 at 04:24 AM.

10-10-2010, 12:18 PM	#20
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	The only problem with a total build like yours is that no one will ever know how much each part contributed to the power you get. You won't be able to say the head or the cams or any particular element made X horsepower for you. It's not a criticism, as I did the same thing. People are just not going to buy a product until they see some proof of what that product (and only that product) does for a power gain. I think the manufacturer has a responsibility to take a stock car, dyno it, put on their part, and dyno it again. Maybe we will just disagree on that detail. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

10-10-2010, 09:42 PM	#23
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	^ and your final numbers! __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

10-30-2010, 12:17 PM	#25
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11-20-2010, 12:16 PM	#26
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10-10-2010, 12:32 PM	#21
Parmas Drives: Vitz RS Turbo Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ML Posts: 576	I like both answers of XBG and Garm fullstop!

10-10-2010, 12:33 PM	#22
xbgod Banned Drives: "Burning It Down GTX2860RS XB" Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 349	no Garm I don't disagree, you are right without a baseline dyno on a N/A motor you'll never know. The only real input I will be able to give everyone is how well it looks how well it's assembled and the craftsmanship of the parts. XBG

10-11-2010, 12:53 AM	#24
xbgod Banned Drives: "Burning It Down GTX2860RS XB" Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 349	Yes, my final numbers.....that will interesting. I think I have like 22 boxes of parts waiting on me at home now. Well guys it will be a week or so before my next post. My flight was delayed yesterday but today I'm on the move. Will chat when I'm state side in a few day or so. XBG

11-22-2010, 12:27 PM	#29
thebarber daily driver View User's Garage Drives: the #wrecho Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,877	$100/hp is average.... $60/hp is a good deal __________________

11-22-2010, 01:55 PM	#30
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	Shinare, are you including management and tuning? $1635 doesn't include install or tuning. I don't see how you could avoid CELs just bolting in cams and beating up on the car. The Blitz comes pre-tuned with its own management - a big plus for people who don't want to experiment or don't have access to or funds for dyno tuning. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

11-22-2010, 03:24 PM	#31
Shinare Bronze bombshell yaris Drives: 09 Yaris HB 3door Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 641	^^ True, I'm just sayin its odd to hear someone balk at $1,600 for a comparatively good gain in hp on our engines when there's much more expensive things to buy out there. I know nothing about the matter really, a noob wrencher here. Thats why I'm looking forward to your all-in-one turbo kit sometime in the future. __________________ Now I drive a CARMINE RED METALLIC 09 Yaris 3-door!! I'm Back!!! WooHoo!! Mods done so far: Tinted windows, Viper 211HV Remote Keyless Entry, Atoto Android headunit, backup camera, steering wheel controls Before it was totaled I drove a 2007 Black Sand Pearl 3 Door Lift-Back M/T with 49k miles. Stock Everything except for black tint, all red badges, red dash, and stealth garage door opener. Ultra-Gauge mounted on steering wheel. A1 Electric MES Central Locks and Avital 3100 Alarm system.

11-22-2010, 07:17 PM	#32
xbgod Banned Drives: "Burning It Down GTX2860RS XB" Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 349	My head went on today from Gude with no issues or problems. We measured everything and rechecked all tolorances. Putting it back to TDC and getting correct timming was a breeze. New pics soon to follow and headed to CFT to retune Monday the 29th. XBG

11-22-2010, 07:26 PM	#33
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	Mine had lateral gear alignment issues, so we just had someone mill a custom timing gear and balance for it...all problems solved and running nice. __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket