preformance air filter and oil change? - Toyota Yaris Forums

JapRulezz · 12-12-2009, 11:20 AM

i just finished 8000 Km after installing a preformance cone filter
but i think that after the filter , the oil is getting dirtier more soon
when should i change my oil btw, i use mobil 1
it looks similar to this

bronsin · 12-12-2009, 11:45 AM

The stock filter is 99% efficient at removing dirt whereas the K&N type is only 95% efficient. That means more dirt in your engine. Something to think about driving around Egypt!

1stToyota · 12-12-2009, 12:07 PM

And the 95% efficiency is probably when the K&N filter is dirty...and ready to be cleaned and re-oiled.

JapRulezz · 12-12-2009, 07:23 PM

and the solution is ?..........

bronsin · 12-12-2009, 07:45 PM

Have the oil analyzed. That would tell you one way or another how suitable/unsuitable it is and whether or not you want something like that in your new car. Maybe its OK. Maybe youll switch back to the stock filter when you see what the results are. Mobile One with the grit of antiquity in it...how good for your engine would that be?

yaris-me · 12-13-2009, 01:51 AM

A dirty air filter doesn't make the oil dirty. The oil gets dirty from blow-by, gas escaping past the piston rings from the combustion chamber to the crank case. The heat in the crank case removes the hydrogen from the fuel and makes carbon which darkens the oil. as the engine wears or if you drive with spirit, you get darker oil.

jambo101 · 12-13-2009, 05:24 AM

That 8000kms oil looks like normal color to me,after 8k it looks dark because its working.
How long before you change the oil?What do the engine designers and engineers say in the owners manual?

JapRulezz · 12-13-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by yaris-me

A dirty air filter doesn't make the oil dirty. The oil gets dirty from blow-by, gas escaping past the piston rings from the combustion chamber to the crank case. The heat in the crank case removes the hydrogen from the fuel and makes carbon which darkens the oil. as the engine wears or if you drive with spirit, you get darker oil.

does this mean that the cone filter has no effect on the color my oil in a direct way ?

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Originally Posted by jambo101

That 8000kms oil looks like normal color to me,after 8k it looks dark because its working.
How long before you change the oil?What do the engine designers and engineers say in the owners manual?

the manual says every 10,000 KM

yaris-me · 12-13-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JapRulezz

does this mean that the cone filter has no effect on the color my oil in a direct way ?

Correct.

RedRide · 12-13-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jambo101

That 8000kms oil looks like normal color to me,after 8k it looks dark because its working.
How long before you change the oil?What do the engine designers and engineers say in the owners manual?

The marketing dept wrote the manual and maintence schedules
All maufactures want to say their cars are more maintenance free then the compitition.

Does anyone seroiusly believe the manufacrures want their engines to last too long?
They want them to last a bit beyound the waranty so you will buy a new car.

Most of the storys about a long lasting engine concerns an owner who changed the oil more frequently than the manual suggested.

There was a time when manufactures recomended you change the oil every 6k miles. It didn't matter how long the engine lasted as the car was junk anyway after about 70k miles.
Now, there is an oil "shortage" issue and they are attempting to look "green" so, they are saying evey 5k miles.

Personally, I change oil whenever it looks and smells dirty
It's my car and I'm paying for it so, I make the decisions.

BTW, I think it's interesting to note that when most changed oil at about 3k miles, engine warenties were higher (better) on the average than they are now with longer oil change intervals becoming the norm.

1stToyota · 12-14-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

Have the oil analyzed. That would tell you one way or another how suitable/unsuitable it is and whether or not you want something like that in your new car. Maybe its OK. Maybe youll switch back to the stock filter when you see what the results are. Mobile One with the grit of antiquity in it...how good for your engine would that be?

Agreed. Grit probably isn't one of the friction modifiers that Mobil 1 wants to see in their additive package.

12-12-2009, 11:20 AM	#1
JapRulezz Drives: yaris sedan 2NZ-FE Join Date: May 2007 Location: Egypt Posts: 75	preformance air filter and oil change? i just finished 8000 Km after installing a preformance cone filter but i think that after the filter , the oil is getting dirtier more soon when should i change my oil btw, i use mobil 1 it looks similar to this

12-12-2009, 12:07 PM	#3
1stToyota Drives: 2013 Chevy Spark 1LT 5-speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,185	And the 95% efficiency is probably when the K&N filter is dirty...and ready to be cleaned and re-oiled. __________________ 1997 Lincoln Town Car - *SOLD* 2008 Scion xD (w/ automatic) - SOLD 2008 Yaris HB - SOLD

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12-12-2009, 11:45 AM	#2
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,790	The stock filter is 99% efficient at removing dirt whereas the K&N type is only 95% efficient. That means more dirt in your engine. Something to think about driving around Egypt!

12-12-2009, 07:23 PM	#4
JapRulezz Drives: yaris sedan 2NZ-FE Join Date: May 2007 Location: Egypt Posts: 75	and the solution is ?..........

12-12-2009, 07:45 PM	#5
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,790	Have the oil analyzed. That would tell you one way or another how suitable/unsuitable it is and whether or not you want something like that in your new car. Maybe its OK. Maybe youll switch back to the stock filter when you see what the results are. Mobile One with the grit of antiquity in it...how good for your engine would that be?

12-13-2009, 01:51 AM	#6
yaris-me Learn to Relax Drives: 2007, Meteorite, LB Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 2,070	A dirty air filter doesn't make the oil dirty. The oil gets dirty from blow-by, gas escaping past the piston rings from the combustion chamber to the crank case. The heat in the crank case removes the hydrogen from the fuel and makes carbon which darkens the oil. as the engine wears or if you drive with spirit, you get darker oil.

12-13-2009, 05:24 AM	#7
jambo101 Drives: yaris 08 sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 1,286	That 8000kms oil looks like normal color to me,after 8k it looks dark because its working. How long before you change the oil?What do the engine designers and engineers say in the owners manual?