Shifting without the clutch

[mark293]

Does anyone routinely shift without using the clutch? I did this for years on my 5 speed F350, and as long as you are in the right rpm range the shifts are just as smooth as using the clutch. The Yaris seems tailor made for this type of driving if you use common sense.

[Yaris Hilton]

Using common sense implies using the clutch. Transmission synchros can cope with clutchless shifting to a point, if you're cruising under neutral power so there's little or no torque on the gears, but they'll wear out a lot faster than if you declutch as you should. If you really want to reduce wear, you'll double clutch to match the speed of the gears before they start to engage again. The proper way to shift without using the clutch is to buy an automatic.

[Kongo-Otto]

Why should one not use the clutch? Laziness?
The Yaris has no dogbox so you should use the clutch at any gear change. It is no "kind of driving" it is just abuse.

[matanfr]

excuse me,Yaris Hilton..
but what do you mean by "double clutch"? and can i perform it if i have robotic transmission?

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by matanfr

excuse me,Yaris Hilton..
but what do you mean by "double clutch"? and can i perform it if i have robotic transmission?

You have MMT? You can't double clutch then. It is not necessary anyways. The Yaris is no oldschool bus or truck.

[mark293]

No need to call me names. Lazy I am not. I was just curious if this technique was used by anyone else. BTW, using this technique my F350 had 576,000 miles on it before I gave it away to a gentleman in the church who needed a reliable daily driver. I hope your Yaris last at least half as long. Ill continue to do what I want and you all can continue your childish ways. Thanks and have a great day.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by mark293

No need to call me names. Lazy I am not. I was just curious if this technique was used by anyone else. BTW, using this technique my F350 had 576,000 miles on it before I gave it away to a gentleman in the church who needed a reliable daily driver. I hope your Yaris last at least half as long. Ill continue to do what I want and you all can continue your childish ways. Thanks and have a great day.

Sorry, but it is abuse to shift a manual car without using the clutch. We are not talking about race cars, do we? That has nothing to do with "call me names" or "childish". Nice to hear your old car did not take any damage with your so-called technique.

That is no offense. I still don't get the advantage of your technique. Can you explain it to us?

[mark293]

Its not like Im saving a few milliseconds by not using the clutch, I was just making a statement as to what was possible. However the clutchless shifting appears to be slightly smoother.

Its funny how so called forum experts chime in as to what is detrimental to a vehicle, such as in oil debates, but they have no empirical proof. Im sure no one expected the 400k Yaris on this forum to last that long while doing regular top speed runs. My vehicle is paid for and I plan on keeping it for its entire service life. When I get to 200, 300, or even 400k miles without a transmission related failure, Ill let you know. Until then keep on giving expert advice.

[bronsin]

Sure I did/do it all the time with my ECHO and now with my Suzuki DL1000. Its a good skill to have. Once on a 500 mile trip from home my Toyota pickup had the clutch pedal freeze in the up position. You couldnt push it dowm. A bolt had worked out and got jamed in the mechanism. I had to R&R the trans and fix it. But before I could do that I drove 500 miles home with no clutch! If youre wondering how to start moving heres how: put the trans in first and crank the engine. The vehicle will move and the engine start. If you have a "push the clutch in to start" car, then youll have to disable it. First thing Idid on my ECHO.
Clutchless shifting on my Suzuki is incredibly smooth. Even downshifting. That transmission is amazing.

[Yaris Hilton]

Originally Posted by matanfr

excuse me,Yaris Hilton..
but what do you mean by "double clutch"? and can i perform it if i have robotic transmission?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_clutch

[thebarber]

i could do it in my matrix xrs...but i cant remember the rpms to do it

i havent found the clutchless spot on the yaris (yet)...if you find out, let us know

i don't think it hurts the synchros at all, PK, there just an area in the gearing in most cars where you can pull it out of gear and put it into the next one w/o using the clutch

[AND189]

everyone is an expert on here that is why we are here ha ha i was keen to master the clutchless shift just to see if i can do it

lutchless shifting is ok for straight cut gears not helical like the Yaris

well i can say i only did it once not a good sound ha ha, but if someone can shed some light on speed / rpm just to see if i can do it, it would be helpful mark293 ???

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Clutchless shifting on my Suzuki is incredibly smooth. Even downshifting. That transmission is amazing.

It is because it has a straight gearbox, like most other regular motorcycles. You can shift up without a clutch and if you are not doing it completely wrong there will be no more wear to the transmission.

Downshifting without clutch needs a little more practice and i would not recommend it even if it could work smoothly.

[Yaris Hilton]

Originally Posted by AND189

everyone is an expert on here that is why we are here ha ha

You got it!

[SAV912]

Originally Posted by mark293

No need to call me names. Lazy I am not. I was just curious if this technique was used by anyone else. BTW, using this technique my F350 had 576,000 miles on it before I gave it away to a gentleman in the church who needed a reliable daily driver. I hope your Yaris last at least half as long. Ill continue to do what I want and you all can continue your childish ways. Thanks and have a great day.

How the hell is it CHILDISH to use a car the way it was suppose to be used?

If not using the clutch pedal was smoother or more economical or faster or, hell, brought magical baby unicorns back from extinction, then there wouldn't be a clutch pedal in the car. It was easier on a damn F350 because that's a work truck with some meaningful torque to it.

Don't walk onto these forums and immediately start throwing boulders in your glass house because everyone else here shut you down with your clutchless shifting.

-SAV

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by SAV912

How the hell is it CHILDISH to use a car the way it was suppose to be used?

If not using the clutch pedal was smoother or more economical or faster or, hell, brought magical baby unicorns back from extinction, then there wouldn't be a clutch pedal in the car. It was easier on a damn F350 because that's a work truck with some meaningful torque to it.

Don't walk onto these forums and immediately start throwing boulders in your glass house because everyone else here shut you down for being an idiot with your clutchless shifting.

-SAV

lol

unicorns are extinct and therefore actually exisited?

and who's slinging boulders now, mr 26 posts...?

[SAV912]

Originally Posted by thebarber

lol

unicorns are extinct and therefore actually exisited?

and who's slinging boulders now, mr 26 posts...?

Yep. I saw them in my dreams.

Come now, good sir, low post counts does not mean a lack of knowledge. I've lurked for a few years now. What was that saying about being thought a fool, rather than opening your mouth so everyone KNEW you were a fool?

-SAV

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

It is because it has a straight gearbox, like most other regular motorcycles. You can shift up without a clutch and if you are not doing it completely wrong there will be no more wear to the transmission.

Downshifting without clutch needs a little more practice and i would not recommend it even if it could work smoothly.

Practice on a Zuk DL1000 and you'll be an expert in no time!