what about this kit would NOT work for the yaris?

[kou]

i did some research on both it looks like zage makes the kit for HKS they may use there own hks turbo but everything else is outsourced. the first zage kit was a moddified hks xa/xb tubo kit.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by kou

i did some research on both it looks like zage makes the kit for HKS they may use there own hks turbo but everything else is outsourced. the first zage kit was a moddified hks xa/xb tubo kit.

wait a sec, if the first Zage kit was a modified HKS kit, then how does Zage make the HKS kit?

sounds like BS to me.

which one is kou?

[kou]

why would a company not see what was needed to fit there turbo kit in a different model, they would modify the one they have first then make the parts needed.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by kou

why would a company not see what was needed to fit there turbo kit in a different model, they would modify the one they have first then make the parts needed.

I take it you didn't re-read your comment or mine.

so you're telling me Zage and HKS are the same in terms of this turbo kit?

the HKS kit was not designed/developed by HKS but by Zage?

Zage stamps the HKS oil pan for them, and doesn't include an intercooler?

I'm just trying to understand your contradictory statement.

[Russelt3hPirate]

looks like Zage used all their good oil line tubing for the HKS order......

[kou]

hks offers there own turbo and engine management for an xa/xb with there finished kit, zage developed the yaris kit from that kit, how hard is that to understand.everyone outsources.

[kou]

Originally Posted by Russelt3hPirate

looks like Zage used all their good oil line tubing for the HKS order......

copyrights/patents on hks product?zage is not a small company i not think the wont to step on anybodys toes.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by kou

hks offers there own turbo and engine management for an xa/xb with there finished kit, zage developed the yaris kit from that kit, how hard is that to understand.everyone outsources.

it's hard to understand b/c you keep bouncing around.

first you said Zage made the HKS kit.

then you said Zage used the HKS kit for their Yaris kit.

now you're saying Zage stole the HKS kit design from the xA/xB and made some minor changes and are calling it their own.

so Zage isn't making the HKS kits, they just used an HKS kit as their initial setup for their new "Zage" Yaris kit.

or are you still saying Zage makes the HKS kits?

see where you're not making sense?

or do I need to add in your previous quotes?

[Russelt3hPirate]

also please define the term "outsource".

if "EVERYONE" outsources, who makes the Zage kit? HKS?

[Altitude]

^^^ Does this kind of shit keep you up at night? Seriously, you have way too much time on your hands.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by Altitude

^^^ Does this kind of shit keep you up at night? Seriously, you have way too much time on your hands.

no, I sleep fine.

I just would prefer to know the truth whenever possible instead of some mindless regurgitation found somewhere on the internets.

does me asking questions keep you up at night?

I actually get paid by Yarisworld to keep the drama going.*
*the above comment is 100% false

[cali yaris]

I actually get paid by Yarisworld to keep the drama going.

... and you're doing a great job with overly aggressive negativity and sarcasm.

The actual knowledge you have is pretty good, though.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

... and you're doing a great job with overly aggressive negativity and sarcasm.

The actual knowledge you have is pretty good, though.

I'll try to be cuddly and lovey dovey for a few days and see if it helps, but from what I've witnessed before it takes short sentences to get the point across on a forum and that can misconstrued as aggressive and negative, then again if something is in the middle of a paragraph there is a very slim chance it'll get read especially if it is something worth reading. Thank you cali for your positive comments towards my knowledge. Cali, do you have any comments about this turbo kit in particular?

[cali yaris]

ok, I'll offer a few comments. The context for my comments is that someone buying this expects to more or less bolt it on and have a professional shop make adjustments, fabricate what's needed, tune and dyno the car.

1. What turbo is it? It's the heart of the kit, and I personally would only trust a name brand in my car to blow boost.

2. I like water lines and external wastegates, but that's not a critical point.

3. Management - I've always recommended finding a good shop with a dyno and someone who really knows how to tune cars before installing anything. Further, the tuner will have a preferred method/more knowledge on how to do it. Make sure they know how to tune the car with THIS management, including wiring, or you'll be wasting money on parts they can't use.

4. As noted, a downpipe will need to be fabricated. Again make sure the shop you are dealing with can do ALL of the work required to complete the project.

5. Intercooler and BOV -- Routing, choices, fabricating and installing will cost something, as will the purchase of a BOV.

The bottom line: It's an unknown turbo with quite a bit of work (in my opinion only!) to install correctly and unknown tuning strategy to make reliable power with a USDM car. I personally would lay out a plan, find a shop, source a mani, a turbo, and just build my own.

[Russelt3hPirate]

building ones own would obviously be a better solution as it'd all be custom and to the proper (hopefully) specs.

maybe we can find someone with a bunch of $$ willing to test?

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by Russelt3hPirate

no, I sleep fine.

I just would prefer to know the truth whenever possible instead of some mindless regurgitation found somewhere on the internets.

does me asking questions keep you up at night?

I actually get paid by Yarisworld to keep the drama going.*
*the above comment is 100% false

The internet is full of mindless regurgitation of useless info and knowing this I tend to do my own research rather than brow beat random posters over confusing or incomprehensible comments.

So... YW wants to know - are you and Tamago related in some way? I'd swear you two are twins separated at birth.

Lastly, to give props where due - Tamago does seem to know his shit and for that he has my respect - though I do enjoy needling him a bit over his demeanor - I'm not so familiar with you (other than your wheel snobbery) so I'll have to take Garm's word for it.

Sleep well!

[Tamago]

what is garm's word?

[ChinoCharles]

Originally Posted by Russelt3hPirate

building ones own would obviously be a better solution as it'd all be custom and to the proper (hopefully) specs.

maybe we can find someone with a bunch of $$ willing to test?

Better yet, lets find someone with more hot air than meaningful words to keep complaining about the lack thereof!

OOP! Nevermind, got him!

Either put up the money yourself or do us all a favor and JUST SHUT UP.