Strut mount (bearing) cause camber to be off? - Toyota Yaris Forums

chaditotx · 12-29-2012, 10:38 AM

Just curious... I do know that the cap that went on top of the bearing got boogered a little when I was installing my springs. -1.5 camber on drivers side only. I guess this would be a good question for the auto x guys.

NJ Drive · 12-29-2012, 01:38 PM

What is the camber per side in front? Common practice among autocrossers is to shift the subframe to the side where you want more camber, or opposite the side you want less camber. You can even gain some caster by pulling it toward the front of the car. Unfortunately, most alignment shops will look at you with a blank stare if you requested this.

Further, camber will move around a couple tenths of a degree once you sit in the vehicle. It's best to sit in the car during an alignment but business insurance usually prevents that, so be sure to have the tech finalize the alignment with himself(herself) in the driver's seat. A couple tenths higher on the LF vs. RF isn't a bad thing either since it is going to be the heaviest corner.

xnamerxx · 12-29-2012, 05:48 PM

Did you load the suspension up before you tightened all the bolts down? There is a touch of wiggle in the strut that you can get some extra or lose some camber.
Ideally you want to match the neg camber on both sides so if the cap is really damaged just buy a replacement they are fairly cheap you can get a side for like $25 from rockauto.

CoryM · 12-29-2012, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaditotx

Just curious... I do know that the cap that went on top of the bearing got boogered a little when I was installing my springs. -1.5 camber on drivers side only. I guess this would be a good question for the auto x guys.

-1.5° camber is a far ways out of spec. What is the passenger side at? If you have the print-out that would help. Basically if you have more than 0.5° difference side to side you will notice a lead (unless caster cancels it out).
Define "boogered" as well.

Cheers.

chaditotx · 01-27-2013, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoryM

-1.5° camber is a far ways out of spec. What is the passenger side at? If you have the print-out that would help. Basically if you have more than 0.5° difference side to side you will notice a lead (unless caster cancels it out).
Define "boogered" as well.

Cheers.

-1.5 drivers side, -8 passenger side. I have Sportline springs and 7" wide 17" rims, 38 offset. Last time it was aligned, it was fine. I just put tokico's on and replaced the strut bearings on both sides. Still same on camber. Starting to think stock control arm bushings are a little too stretched out on drivers side?

CoryM · 01-28-2013, 01:20 PM

For that amount it is probably just the free-play in the strut to knuckle bolts. Loosen the two bolts on the passenger side, then push inwards on the strut. It should tilt in, giving you more negative camber on the passenger side. Since you are lowered etc I assume you won't mind a little more negative camber than stock. This can also be done at the alignment shop, but most places likely won't do it as part of a regular alignment (I do if I think it is required).

It is a good idea to always push in on both sides when you do struts. This way you *should* have even camber side to side.

Cheers.

PS: make sure that the weight is off the strut when you loosen the bolts. Otherwise you won't be able to move it. Should be jacked under the frame/body

Absolutely Red 12 · 01-28-2013, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoryM

For that amount it is probably just the free-play in the strut to knuckle bolts. Loosen the two bolts on the passenger side, then push inwards on the strut. It should tilt in, giving you more negative camber on the passenger side. Since you are lowered etc I assume you won't mind a little more negative camber than stock. This can also be done at the alignment shop, but most places likely won't do it as part of a regular alignment (I do if I think it is required).

It is a good idea to always push in on both sides when you do struts. This way you *should* have even camber side to side.

Cheers.

PS: make sure that the weight is off the strut when you loosen the bolts. Otherwise you won't be able to move it. Should be jacked under the frame/body

^^^ This

DeathBeard · 01-28-2013, 02:55 PM

Load the driver side strut using a jack prior to tightening

chaditotx · 07-01-2013, 03:01 PM

UPDATE.... alignment issues were caused by control arm bushings which were replaced at Toyota during recall on bolts.

yariseggvvti · 07-02-2013, 02:19 AM

What did they had done with lower control arm bushing? Those bolts had nothing to do with it.

12-29-2012, 10:38 AM	#1
chaditotx Drives: 2007 3dr hb 5sp Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antone, Tx Posts: 117	Strut mount (bearing) cause camber to be off? Just curious... I do know that the cap that went on top of the bearing got boogered a little when I was installing my springs. -1.5 camber on drivers side only. I guess this would be a good question for the auto x guys.

01-28-2013, 02:55 PM	#8
DeathBeard Drives: 2010 Yaris S Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 574	Load the driver side strut using a jack prior to tightening __________________ "In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps." Proverbs 16:9

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12-29-2012, 01:38 PM	#2
NJ Drive Drives: 2012 Yaris SE Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 179	What is the camber per side in front? Common practice among autocrossers is to shift the subframe to the side where you want more camber, or opposite the side you want less camber. You can even gain some caster by pulling it toward the front of the car. Unfortunately, most alignment shops will look at you with a blank stare if you requested this. Further, camber will move around a couple tenths of a degree once you sit in the vehicle. It's best to sit in the car during an alignment but business insurance usually prevents that, so be sure to have the tech finalize the alignment with himself(herself) in the driver's seat. A couple tenths higher on the LF vs. RF isn't a bad thing either since it is going to be the heaviest corner.

12-29-2012, 05:48 PM	#3
xnamerxx 0-60 in slow Drives: light blue liftback Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: so cal Posts: 926	Did you load the suspension up before you tightened all the bolts down? There is a touch of wiggle in the strut that you can get some extra or lose some camber. Ideally you want to match the neg camber on both sides so if the cap is really damaged just buy a replacement they are fairly cheap you can get a side for like $25 from rockauto.

01-28-2013, 01:20 PM	#6
CoryM Drives: 2009 5-door, 5-speed Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: White Rock BC Posts: 687	For that amount it is probably just the free-play in the strut to knuckle bolts. Loosen the two bolts on the passenger side, then push inwards on the strut. It should tilt in, giving you more negative camber on the passenger side. Since you are lowered etc I assume you won't mind a little more negative camber than stock. This can also be done at the alignment shop, but most places likely won't do it as part of a regular alignment (I do if I think it is required). It is a good idea to always push in on both sides when you do struts. This way you should have even camber side to side. Cheers. PS: make sure that the weight is off the strut when you loosen the bolts. Otherwise you won't be able to move it. Should be jacked under the frame/body

07-01-2013, 03:01 PM	#9
chaditotx Drives: 2007 3dr hb 5sp Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antone, Tx Posts: 117	UPDATE.... alignment issues were caused by control arm bushings which were replaced at Toyota during recall on bolts.

07-02-2013, 02:19 AM	#10
yariseggvvti Drives: Yaris Hatchieback Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cali Posts: 199	What did they had done with lower control arm bushing? Those bolts had nothing to do with it.