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Old 03-19-2011, 05:59 PM   #19
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Pleasa can some body expl. why not?
Because the system operates on a premise of reducing the brake pressure applied while it detects slippage/skidding/sliding. An experienced driver will keep the pressure on to a point just above that.

For an inexperienced driver it overcomes their deficiency in skill to do this.

Another problem is that it causes what is called "risk compensation," by which asserts drivers adapt to the safety benefit of ABS by driving more aggressively or relying on it too much.

There was a study done with Munich, Germany taxi cabs that concluded drivers of ABS-equipped cabs were taking more risks assuming that ABS would take care of them, while the non-ABS drivers drove more carefully since ABS would not be there to help in case of a dangerous situation. A similar study in Oslo, Norway found similar results.

But for "most people," ABS is a good thing; because "most people" cannot drive worth a shit!

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Old 03-20-2011, 09:22 AM   #20
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WOW!!! I figured that I would be the only one on here opposed to ABS. You'll be fine. My 2002 Tacoma doesnt have it and I regularly tow with it etc. Plus, in the snow I feel MUCH more in control of my breaking. I hate to disagree with whomever said that it would bring a higher resale value but I dont totally agree with that. Most car buyers nowadays arent like us. They dont care about anything but what theyve got to pay every month. The car could come without a windshield and they wouldnt even notice. Not to mention, if it were really that big of a safety asset (instead of a government mandate) do you really think that Toyota would once again want to throw their a$$ on the line and be viewed as a manufacturer of "unsafe" automobiles? I almost believe that this car is too light for ABS anyway, once the dry straight line pavement disappears anyway.
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:36 AM   #21
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Because the system operates on a premise of reducing the brake pressure applied while it detects slippage/skidding/sliding. An experienced driver will keep the pressure on to a point just above that.

For an inexperienced driver it overcomes their deficiency in skill to do this.

Another problem is that it causes what is called "risk compensation," by which asserts drivers adapt to the safety benefit of ABS by driving more aggressively or relying on it too much.

There was a study done with Munich, Germany taxi cabs that concluded drivers of ABS-equipped cabs were taking more risks assuming that ABS would take care of them, while the non-ABS drivers drove more carefully since ABS would not be there to help in case of a dangerous situation. A similar study in Oslo, Norway found similar results.

But for "most people," ABS is a good thing; because "most people" cannot drive worth a shit!

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Old 03-20-2011, 11:08 AM   #22
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FWIW......
The Yaris ABS do no prevent the bakes from locking up or hinder the braking in anyway.

They simply just only allow the bakes to be locked up intemitantly.

So, if you never want the brakes to lock up and drive acordingly, you will never know you have ABS. There is absolutly no pedal pulsating, etc.

Saying you would never need ABS is like saying you will never need seat belts, air bags, power steering, bumpers, etc because you are a good driver.
No one can control road conditions or other drivers on the road.

I'm a "stick and rudder" type driver and never liked ABS but, the ABS on the Yaris is a non issue for me.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:25 PM   #23
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FWIW......
The Yaris ABS do no prevent the bakes from locking up or hinder the braking in anyway.

They simply just only allow the bakes to be locked up intemitantly.

So, if you never want the brakes to lock up and drive acordingly, you will never know you have ABS. There is absolutly no pedal pulsating, etc.

Saying you would never need ABS is like saying you will never need seat belts, air bags, power steering, bumpers, etc because you are a good driver.
No one can control road conditions or other drivers on the road.

I'm a "stick and rudder" type driver and never liked ABS but, the ABS on the Yaris is a non issue for me.
Based on your comments, you have never experienced the yaris ABS do its thing.

IT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY HINDER THE BRAKING AND THE BRAKE PEDAL DOES PULSATE/PUSH BACK.
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Old 03-20-2011, 02:44 PM   #24
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Based on your comments, you have never experienced the yaris ABS do its thing.

IT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY HINDER THE BRAKING AND THE BRAKE PEDAL DOES PULSATE/PUSH BACK.
My pedal does not pulsate all.
Yes, I have definately initiated the ABS a few times to check them out and have fully experience their function.

Yes, it hinders your braking in the respect that it prevents brakes from locking up steadily.

I don't drive routinely to puposely lock up my brakes.
If one desire a car to track, then perhaps a Yaris is a bad choice to begin with.
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:36 PM   #25
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My pedal does not pulsate all.
Yes, I have definately initiated the ABS a few times to check them out and have fully experience their function.

Yes, it hinders your braking in the respect that it prevents brakes from locking up steadily.

I don't drive routinely to puposely lock up my brakes.
If one desire a car to track, then perhaps a Yaris is a bad choice to begin with.
I don't abuse my car either.

In low traction situations (snow or ice), it is awful. That is the only condition where has been an issue....but it has been a bad enough of a problem that I would avoid buying another Yaris with ABS if I had to replace my current car.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:52 AM   #26
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My 09 makes a cracking sound at the wheels when the ABS deploys. The pedal does vibrate some also. I wouldnt call it pulsing.
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:13 PM   #27
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I'm a bit confused when some say that their brake pedels pulsate, etc when mine doesn't exhibit any of these problems.
Perhaps some have ABS that is not working properly?

BTW......when the ABS brakes do lock up, they will intermittently unlock and lock a few times a second and maby this is what some are interpeting as "pedel pulsating".
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:31 PM   #28
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..........some say that their brake pedels pulsate, etc when mine doesn't exhibit any of these problems.
Perhaps some have ABS that is not working properly?........
Lol, on every single vehicle that Ive ever owned with ABS (Ive owned 28 vehicles in the last 4 years, MOST of them with ABS), the pedal pulsates when ABS engages. Heres a couple SMALL excerpts from articles that I found on the subject...

"Expect noise and vibration in the brake pedal when your anti-lock brakes are in use. These sensations tell you the ABS system is working properly."

"ABS - Antilocking Braking System prevents the wheels from locking causing the vehicle to either slide or skid out. The system pulsates the pads or shoes of the brakes providing the wheels to still rotate at a slowing rate, maintaining traction and steering control during hard braking.
During hard braking the break pedal with pulsate rapidly - that is the ABS activating. Just keep firm pressure on the pedal and the car with stop in an reasonable stopping distance."

Etc...it goes on and on and on. Not trying to be a jerk, but perhaps it is YOU that have ABS that is not functioning properly, lol.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:09 PM   #29
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......(Ive owned 28 vehicles in the last 4 years, MOST of them with ABS), the pedal pulsates .........
Yeah, most but, not all.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:40 PM   #30
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Yeah, most but, not all.
I think he meant most of his cars had ABS but all of his cars that did have ABS had pulsating brakes. Early ABS systems were horrible; the brake pedal would actually bounce up and down noticeably. New systems now just cause the pedal to buzz or vibrate.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:03 PM   #31
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I think he meant most of his cars had ABS but all of his cars that did have ABS had pulsating brakes. Early ABS systems were horrible; the brake pedal would actually bounce up and down noticeably. New systems now just cause the pedal to buzz or vibrate.
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:07 PM   #32
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If I had it to do over I would opt to not have ABS.
It's not the function that bothers me, it's the problems that may crop up. The last two winters my ABS and break light have come on after heavy snows. The day after the light came on it went off, but from what I've read it's a pricey fix.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:28 AM   #33
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ABS is great. But only if you have great ABS. If it's really crude and comes in too early, then it's not desireable, if it's well designed then it's an aid to your driving fun. At least from my experience. But my Yari doesn't have ABS, even though I would have preferred it, but it's not a dealbreaker.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:54 AM   #34
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I think ABS is an important safety feature.

The Vitz is my wifes daily driver, drop kids off to the schools and work etc.
With ABS in ours I have some confidence when she panic brakes she might stand a fighting chance of swerveing to avoid something.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:07 AM   #35
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Exactly. That's what ABS is about, helping the average driver. And if it's well designed, it can help out the sporting driver, unless he/she is hardcore, I want to to everything myself.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Old 03-22-2011, 07:47 AM   #36
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Under most conditions it is a great idea. On slick roads, it makes the car almost undriveable and is downright dangerous when ABS prematurely activates.

My Echo was great in the snow; it would go anywhere. The Yaris needs to be parked until EVERYTHING melts.
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