How would you sound deaden engine compartment? - Toyota Yaris Forums

Yawesh · 01-11-2009, 12:08 AM

just where can you place the sound deadener material, RAMM, etc? inside the engine firewall?

Shroomster · 01-11-2009, 12:20 AM

RAMM?

LtNoogie · 01-11-2009, 12:22 AM

RAAMmat

http://www.raamaudio.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?p=pr

cali yaris · 01-11-2009, 12:45 AM

I don't understand the question. Do you want to use sound deadener in the engine compartment?

talnlnky · 01-11-2009, 01:34 AM

well they claim over 300F resistant. You don't have to worry about it burning up, just peeling off due to high temps... I have a hard time believing that under the hood it'll get much hotter than 250F... even if its tripple digits outside, unless you're driving the car at high rpms and low speeds.

firewall is the main thing... tho it'll be a bitch to matt that area.

Quite frankly, there's not much noise from the engine compartment... most noise comes from the floor boards and the wheel wells due to imperfections in the road.

Dynamat makes a heatshielded foam that is meant to go on the bottom side of the hood.

cali yaris · 01-11-2009, 01:46 AM

Wouldn't you deaden the firewall from the inside of the car?

Quote:

Dynamat makes a heatshielded foam that is meant to go on the bottom side of the hood.

that's the way to go if you're trying to cut down engine noise. I'm going to try spraying my wheel wells with that "texture coat" stuff and see what that does. There was a thread about this once upon a time - who did it already?

Yawesh · 01-11-2009, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talnlnky

well they claim over 300F resistant. You don't have to worry about it burning up, just peeling off due to high temps... I have a hard time believing that under the hood it'll get much hotter than 250F... even if its tripple digits outside, unless you're driving the car at high rpms and low speeds.

firewall is the main thing... tho it'll be a bitch to matt that area.

Quite frankly, there's not much noise from the engine compartment... most noise comes from the floor boards and the wheel wells due to imperfections in the road.

Dynamat makes a heatshielded foam that is meant to go on the bottom side of the hood.

just want to get rid of the annoying engine "tapping"

Bob_VT · 01-11-2009, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawesh

just want to get rid of the annoying engine "tapping"

Turn off the engine!

Automotive engineers concentrate on soundproofing the passenger compartment from the inside. You could install dynomat or soundproffing behind the firewall..... alot of work. Go for it and let us know.

fuji · 01-11-2009, 12:20 PM

I think what you are talking about is reducing the noise from the engine compartment.

There are several ways to reducing the noise.....

Barriers - Lead, mass loaded vinyl - dense enough to reflect sound away.

Dampeners(Raamat, damplifier) - dampen vibrations and subsequent noise transmitted by the sheet metal which is about 30-50% of noise generation. Do not confuse these with barriers. They do not reflect sound well.

Absorbers - particular foams, cotton - these can actually absorb sound therefore reducing noise.

If you are going to use a dampener material, spend the extra money and use Second Skin Audio Damplifier or Damplifier Pro. Its temp limit is 500 degrees. possibility if spectrum liquid.

Now the problem is how do you access the firewall?? I did see an article not too long ago in an article for front strut bar installation where you can remove the wipers and plastic cowling. There is some access to the firewall. Another option is to get to the firewall from the inside - that will be tough

A much easier solution I have seen is treating the underside of the hood with a dampener and sound absorber. Damplifier and motor mat have been used bu others with good results. This is what I am planning on doing. I am waiting for my order to arrive. I will also try to access the firewall.

talnlnky · 01-11-2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Wouldn't you deaden the firewall from the inside of the car?

that's the way to go if you're trying to cut down engine noise. I'm going to try spraying my wheel wells with that "texture coat" stuff and see what that does. There was a thread about this once upon a time - who did it already?

I put 3/4 of a can in each wheel well... I think it helped a VERY small amount.... mostly when a rock gets thrown by a tire and flies into the well. Sound is quieter now... I think that rubber stuff kind of cushions the rocks impact. It does put on some weight, but not a whole lot. Each can is something like 16oz.

People try to combat sound going into the firewall multiple ways, the deflectors & foam on the inside of the bay would be the most common (for inside the bay)... and foam & mat on the inside of the cabin the most common for inside the cabin.

A tapping noise.... the deflectors & foam I think would be best... but really, how much of that can you really get rid of? You have vents, that intake air around the engine/hood area... the sound is coming from the engine. you will always have some transference.

One word of caution about sound dampening... when you first dampen a car like i did last spring. 40sq feet on the floor boards & wheel wells, 20sq ft on the side panels of the hatch, + 40sq ft of thin foam on the floors, + 2" foam in the hatch door, over the spare tire, and in the side panels (by the rear seats). Well.... when you first do this, sound does drop a considerable amount, and humans partially perceive speed through the sounds they hear.

YOU DRIVE FASTER WHEN ITS QUIET. I remember I had to put a little more pressure on the brakes than I thought was needed because I kept on approaching stoplights & cars a bit too fast because it took awhile for my brain to readjust to the now quieter car.

talnlnky · 01-11-2009, 12:58 PM

oh yeah.... toyota for some reason makes it hard to reach the firewall. My mazda was a cinch compared to the two yotas i've worked on. My buddy's highlander was tough.... and the yaris isn't cake either.... I'm only taking about from the inside here. I did my dampaning in 2 days... Day 1 = strip car, day 2 = dampen & put together... doing the firewall probably would've meant another 4hrs work, and I was running out of sunlight & mat. When I dampen my two doors I'll take 20sq feet and use it on the firewall at that time.

jambo101 · 01-11-2009, 03:41 PM

If you just want to not hear your engine a couple of high density ear plugs would probably set you back $3.

01-11-2009, 12:08 AM	#1
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01-11-2009, 01:34 AM	#5
talnlnky Audio Junky Drives: 08 liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spokane, Wa Posts: 1,412	well they claim over 300F resistant. You don't have to worry about it burning up, just peeling off due to high temps... I have a hard time believing that under the hood it'll get much hotter than 250F... even if its tripple digits outside, unless you're driving the car at high rpms and low speeds. firewall is the main thing... tho it'll be a bitch to matt that area. Quite frankly, there's not much noise from the engine compartment... most noise comes from the floor boards and the wheel wells due to imperfections in the road. Dynamat makes a heatshielded foam that is meant to go on the bottom side of the hood. __________________

01-11-2009, 12:58 PM	#11
talnlnky Audio Junky Drives: 08 liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spokane, Wa Posts: 1,412	oh yeah.... toyota for some reason makes it hard to reach the firewall. My mazda was a cinch compared to the two yotas i've worked on. My buddy's highlander was tough.... and the yaris isn't cake either.... I'm only taking about from the inside here. I did my dampaning in 2 days... Day 1 = strip car, day 2 = dampen & put together... doing the firewall probably would've meant another 4hrs work, and I was running out of sunlight & mat. When I dampen my two doors I'll take 20sq feet and use it on the firewall at that time. __________________

01-11-2009, 12:20 AM	#2
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01-11-2009, 12:20 PM	#9
fuji Drives: Polar White Yaris HB Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Honolulu Posts: 263	I think what you are talking about is reducing the noise from the engine compartment. There are several ways to reducing the noise..... Barriers - Lead, mass loaded vinyl - dense enough to reflect sound away. Dampeners(Raamat, damplifier) - dampen vibrations and subsequent noise transmitted by the sheet metal which is about 30-50% of noise generation. Do not confuse these with barriers. They do not reflect sound well. Absorbers - particular foams, cotton - these can actually absorb sound therefore reducing noise. If you are going to use a dampener material, spend the extra money and use Second Skin Audio Damplifier or Damplifier Pro. Its temp limit is 500 degrees. possibility if spectrum liquid. Now the problem is how do you access the firewall?? I did see an article not too long ago in an article for front strut bar installation where you can remove the wipers and plastic cowling. There is some access to the firewall. Another option is to get to the firewall from the inside - that will be tough A much easier solution I have seen is treating the underside of the hood with a dampener and sound absorber. Damplifier and motor mat have been used bu others with good results. This is what I am planning on doing. I am waiting for my order to arrive. I will also try to access the firewall.

01-11-2009, 03:41 PM	#12
jambo101 Drives: yaris 08 sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 1,286	If you just want to not hear your engine a couple of high density ear plugs would probably set you back $3.

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