Motor Oil and filters

[Lafiro]

I have researched this with no prevail on this site, maybe its been erased since it was hacked before??

Anyway, so I need an oil change bad... running close to 5000miles on my mobile1 5w-30. I was thinking of going with royal purple 5w-30.

Others have said 0w30? I don't eee what this will do to an engine that states 5w30. Please give me some insight before I do stay with 5w30.

If that oil is good, what filter should I use? I have heard toyota tell me that they only recommend their oil filters.

If anyone can get me a part number for the oil filter for my 2007 Yaris Sadan, I would appreciate that.

Maybe I can buy the filter and just change the oil myself at home instead of driving far and spending more on labor costs.

Thank you!

[mikenacarato]

when i asked the dealer they said 5w30 and only 5w30

[superfly78209]

even 5w30 in the winter?

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by mikenacarato

when i asked the dealer they said 5w30 and only 5w30

My dealer showed me a TSB (published by Toyota) and he told me to use 5w-20 only, regardless of what the manual says, and regardless of what is printed on my valve cover cap.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

My dealer showed me a TSB (published by Toyota) and he told me to use 5w-20 only, regardless of what the manual says, and regardless of what is printed on my valve cover cap.

And regardless of what that Toyota TSB actually says?

It clearly states that 5w-20 is fine to use now, but the note at the top of the TSB says to stick with what's listed in the service manuals, owner's manual and oil cap, which happens to be 5w-30.

Looks like the dealer drew his own conclusions about what's best, just like you did when you started using and recommending Yaris owners to use 0w-20 because of UOAs for non-Yaris motors, and because the TSB said 0w-20 was okay to use in a Corolla, Scion XD, etc...but if I can read between the lines I'm guessing that you drained out the 0w-20 and took the dealer's advice about the 5w-20.

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

And regardless of what that Toyota TSB actually says?

It clearly states that 5w-20 is fine to use now, but the note at the top of the TSB says to stick with what's listed in the service manuals, owner's manual and oil cap, which happens to be 5w-30.

Looks like the dealer drew his own conclusions about what's best, just like you did when you started using and recommending Yaris owners to use 0w-20 because of UOAs for non-Yaris motors, and because the TSB said 0w-20 was okay to use in a Corolla, Scion XD, etc...but if I can read between the lines I'm guessing that you drained out the 0w-20 and took the dealer's advice about the 5w-20.

Nope, I'm still running 0w-20 because I know that at operational temps 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection. And the UOA's I've seen are for Yaris SPECIFICLY.

I have the TSB in front of me and it says that the Yaris engine can use the 20 weight. So where is the confusion? Where is the ambiguity?

It's very, very clear. If you have a Yaris, you can use 20 weight safely, and Toyota is behind what I wrote.

And if you look at the AMSOIL site (and Mobil1 too), you too will see that their 0w-20 can be used in ANY MOTOR that is spec'd for 5w-20. Safely.

So is your beloved AMSOIL wrong? Not!

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

Nope, I'm still running 0w-20 because I know that at operational temps 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection. And the UOA's I've seen are for Yaris SPECIFICLY.

Then quit quoting the Toyota TSB and acting like you know something if you're going to continue using a viscosity that the TSB says is NOT to be used in the Yaris 1NZ-FE motor.

I have the TSB in front of me and it says that the Yaris engine can use the 20 weight. So where is the confusion? Where is the ambiguity?

It doesn't say to use straight 20 weight, it doesn't say to use 0w-20, it says 5w-20

It's very, very clear. If you have a Yaris, you can use 20 weight safely, and Toyota is behind what I wrote.

Absolutely false...it never, never says that 0w-20 is to be used, you're confusing the 0w-20 being okay for a Corolla and the XD, etc... and 5w-20 being okay for the Yaris.

And if you look at the AMSOIL site (and Mobil1 too), you too will see that their 0w-20 can be used in ANY MOTOR that is spec'd for 5w-20. Safely.

But that contradicts the guidelines of Toyota's TSB, and that's what Toyota will go by, what their TSB states, not AMSOIL's override.

So is your beloved AMSOIL wrong? Not!

Check my sig. Not using AMSOIL anymore because to get API approval ACEA A1/B1 is what I get, with no API approval I can get A5/B5, but if I ever have any warranty issues I want an oil that is API approved....and better than A1/B1 for my own reasons.

And they are wrong when their statements clash with Toyota's TSB guidelines, and still have to wonder why you're soooo worried about 0w-20 when you live in southern Ca that wouldn't know what a real winter was.

[mikenacarato]

5w30 is all she wrote apparently and he also said in the yaris regular toyota 5w30 or synthetic 5w30 will perform about the same. i wanna run synthetic because i like it though

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by Lafiro

I have researched this with no prevail on this site, maybe its been erased since it was hacked before??

Anyway, so I need an oil change bad... running close to 5000miles on my mobile1 5w-30. I was thinking of going with royal purple 5w-30.

Others have said 0w30? I don't eee what this will do to an engine that states 5w30. Please give me some insight before I do stay with 5w30.

If that oil is good, what filter should I use? I have heard toyota tell me that they only recommend their oil filters.

If anyone can get me a part number for the oil filter for my 2007 Yaris Sadan, I would appreciate that.

Maybe I can buy the filter and just change the oil myself at home instead of driving far and spending more on labor costs.

Thank you!

I'd just stick with 5w-30. Being synthetic the cold flow is good enough and I doubt that fuel economy will be that much different with 0w-30

Wix (PN 51394)/Napa Gold (PN 1394) is a quality filter.
RP oil is good, but I'd have to pay about $2 per qt more than the deal I'm getting on Amsoil...In the past I've used M1, Redline, RP, etc; all pretty good oil and fairly easy to find.

...or ask someone to change it for you, with you suppling the oil and filter. You're probably looking at maybe $20.00 (labor). Around here synthetic oil changes go for $55.00 to $85.00, depending where you shop.

[Lafiro]

Cool, thank you to all for the quick response.

I have not found Amsoil anywhere just yet, but for the little difference it makes on just 4 quarts of oil the engine needs, I rather go for the best.

Other then that, what would be concidered the "best" oil filter for our car?

I just want to find it, stock up on it all, and do this myself for now on. Any website or vendor on here that sells the stuff, please recommend, if not its ebay.

[Chupacabra]

K&N would likely make the best filter but it's WAY overkill for the Yaris. The wix or OE filter is just fine, especially if you are diligent with your oil changes.

[1stToyota]

If you want overkill find an Amsoil dealer, here on the board or a local distributor (check the Amsoil site for answers?), and use HP5w-30 and their Ea oil filter (Ea009)

The Ea filter appears to be built by Wix, but the filter media isn't paper, looks more like a K&N air filter...some sort of media supported by mesh screen.

Amsoil XL oil is great for 5K OCIs, with the WIX filter, overkill for the HP oil and the Ea filter, but I get a good deal so I went with the overkill.

[gid]

see posts here for Used Oil Analysises for SHELL , PENNZOIL full synthetics . Good performance at a fair price . Says 5w-30 on oil cap and in owners manual . No mention of 0w-30 . Read somewhere that TOYOTA is getting tough on warranty for engine due to misuse . Better to be safe than sorry.

[IllusionX]

i wonder who makes the TRD filters... they go for 20-40$ a piece.. like.. omg

[mikenacarato]

Originally Posted by IllusionX

i wonder who makes the TRD filters... they go for 20-40$ a piece.. like.. omg

K&N.. my dealer sells them for $9

[1stToyota]

Who makes K&N oil filters?

[Klink10]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Who makes K&N oil filters?

Champion, same folks who make the Supertechs from WalMart.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by IllusionX

i wonder who makes the TRD filters... they go for 20-40$ a piece.. like.. omg

Didn't Denso make the real TRD filters? I don't know if they had the foam media like the OEM Japanese Toyota filters...like what was installed on the Yaris from the factory, unlike what the dealership stocks.