Whats wrong with Rota's?

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by Nagoya_TRD.

It's true, some OEM manufacturers IN THE PHILIPINES used Rota as oem wheels. Simple reason for this: OEM products are designed to cut costs. They are not supposed to be nice and were never designed to be pushed (all the manufacturers who used rota as oem wheels used them on economy cars). These Rota wheels were never designed to be used on hard sports cars. Rota was a local company that was dirt cheap that would suffice for these OEM applications and maximize the profit for the big car manufacturers.

That is the main reason why most oem "alloy wheels" are gravity or low pressure cast.

Did Nissan ever use Rota for their OEM skyline GT-R wheels? No, they used BBS.

Does Mitsubishi use Rota for their OEM EVOLUTION wheels? No, They use BBS and Enkei.

Does Nissan use Rota for their Nismo 350Z, Nismo 370Z, 370Z, and R35 GT-R wheels? No, they use Rays engineering.

You're 100% right. And when I'm shelling out that kind of money for a car, I would expect it to have BBS, Volks, Enkei, and such kinds of wheels. But you just said it in bold above. Like I said, a low-pressure, gravity-cast aluminum wheel is going to be fine for most people, and that includes most Yaris owners. Most people putting custom wheels on their cars are driving them to work, to the grocery store, and such. I'd bet the number of wheels that get pushed to limits where a forged wheel would actually make a difference are less than 1%, and probably even less so on a Yaris.

[Nagoya_TRD.]

I like those Koenig Wheels.



Those i can do without.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Nagoya_TRD.

I like those Koenig Wheels.

please dont confuse koenig with konig

[Tamago]

koenig=serious fabrication



konig = rebadged rotas

[Thirty-Nine]

Or this Konig:

[Nagoya_TRD.]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

You're 100% right. And when I'm shelling out that kind of money for a car, I would expect it to have BBS, Volks, Enkei, and such kinds of wheels. But you just said it in bold above. Like I said, a low-pressure, gravity-cast aluminum wheel is going to be fine for most people, and that includes most Yaris owners. Most people putting custom wheels on their cars are driving them to work, to the grocery store, and such. I'd bet the number of wheels that get pushed to limits where a forged wheel would actually make a difference are less than 1%, and probably even less so on a Yaris.

Even then, not all wheels are round. Each manufacturer has a different casting procedures, and strengths for the materials that they use. Using Rotas to putt around town is different from using Rotas for "driving". A cast racing dynamics or enkei wheel is not going to have the same strength as a Konig/XXR/Rota wheel.

When i shell out cash to "upgrade" my wheels, i want an UPGRADE, not something that is the same as the OEM wheels, just with a different LOOK. Just my .02

But, i think this thread pretty much explains why most serious performance teams/drivers/owners don't really care much rotas for performance.

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by Tamago

konig = rebadged rotas

Does Konig really resell Rota products or are they simply similar? I don't know if Konig actually makes any wheels, though. They're all coming out of a few factories in Asia. Rota produces in The Philippines; a lot of Konig products come out of Taiwan (at least mine did).

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

Does Konig really resell Rota products or are they simply similar? I don't know if Konig actually makes any wheels, though. They're all coming out of a few factories in Asia. Rota produces in The Philippines; a lot of Konig products come out of Taiwan (at least mine did).

i have a set of konig wheels circa 1998 that are stamped ROTA on the rear face

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

tamago koenig =

not sure what that means but koenig = serious fabrication geniuses.

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by Nagoya_TRD.

Even then, not all wheels are round. Each manufacturer has a different casting procedures, and strengths for the materials that they use. Using Rotas to putt around town is different from using Rotas for "driving". A cast racing dynamics or enkei wheel is not going to have the same strength as a Konig/XXR/Rota wheel.

When i shell out cash to "upgrade" my wheels, i want an UPGRADE, not something that is the same as the OEM wheels, just with a different LOOK. Just my .02

But, i think this thread pretty much explains why most serious performance teams/drivers/owners don't really care much rotas for performance.

And I concur. When I upgraded from my steel wheels to my 15" Maxxims (Konigs) they were alloys instead of steel, and weighed significantly less than my steel wheels.

And you're right: Rota and other inexpensive wheels are fine for putt-putting around town, which is what most wheels see.

If I were building a serious race car, I'd invest in a set of higher quality wheels; no doubt about it. Until then, my orange Maxxims work just fine.

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by Tamago

not sure what that means but koenig = serious fabrication geniuses.

I'd love to see more from them. Do you have a Web site address?

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

I'd love to see more from them. Do you have a Web site address?

http://www.koenig-specials.com/homep...20englisch.htm

[Malaya1221]

Originally Posted by Tamago

not sure what that means but koenig = serious fabrication geniuses.

nevermind....was looking at some other things...r they the same company as koenig competition?

[GnomeBody]

I hate to jump back so many pages but...

Rotas suck ass b/c they blatantly steal their designs from reputable manufactures to cater towards the individuals who want the "look" of expensive wheels but don't want the spend it (for whatever reason, viable or not).

I have to disagree. Rotas dont suck because they borrow a "look" from another company. Thats like saying you look like shit in a red t-shirt because I started wearing red t-shirts first.

If I were in the hat making business and my competition Started selling a very popular "Top hat" style, why the hell wouldn't I want to sell top hats too, especially if I could do it for cheaper. Im sure there are alot of "poor" people who would love to be able to afford the latest stlye.

If there is anything to be said about rota versus another company it should be about the construction quality VS. the price tag

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by GnomeBody

I hate to jump back so many pages but...



I have to disagree. Rotas dont suck because they borrow a "look" from another company. Thats like saying you look like shit in a red t-shirt because I started wearing red t-shirts first.

If I were in the hat making business and my competition Started selling a very popular "Top hat" style, why the hell wouldn't I want to sell top hats too, especially if I could do it for cheaper. Im sure there are alot of "poor" people who would love to be able to afford the latest stlye.

If there is anything to be said about rota versus another company it should be about the construction quality VS. the price tag

AHAHA

lets take a very detailed product and compare it to a single color T-shirt.

ultimately Rota still sucks b/c they can't come up with their own "VISUAL" designs.

[schleppy]

I don't know why everyone craps on Rota all the time. Being a former Subaru guy, I'm used to hearing more good than bad about Rota. Rotas were immensely popular with the Suby guys. Between myself and my friends we've run at least 10+ different sets of Rotas without a single issue. I personally ran three different sets.

Are there stronger/lighter/better wheels out there? Sure. Are Rotas absolute crap? In my experience, not at all. For the price they are great.

Just my 2c

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by schleppy

I don't know why everyone craps on Rota all the time. Being a former Subaru guy, I'm used to hearing more good than bad about Rota. Rotas were immensely popular with the Suby guys. Between myself and my friends we've run at least 10+ different sets of Rotas without a single issue. I personally ran three different sets.

Are there stronger/lighter/better wheels out there? Sure. Are Rotas absolute crap? In my experience, not at all. For the price they are great.

Just my 2c

10+ isn't a very good global sample set, but honestly I'm glad nothing happened.

when a wheel "fails" it's supposed to stay in one piece. it hurts to see the photos of the wheels where the hoop separates.....

[GnomeBody]

lets take a very detailed product and compare it to a single color T-shirt.

What? you dont like red?


well anyway, the point was that no one has exclusive rights to a style.

Frankly, I think Rota is business smart for recreating 'Popular' designs and selling them at reasonable prices( assuming there not breaking patents or copyrights) Rather than wasting money on R&D for a custom line that might not sell as well.