The great intake debate!

[Mouse]

This is exactly why CALI sucks to live in.

[Brian]

When I got pulled over by CHP they looked under my hood and saw my TRD CAI. They asked where
the E.O. # for it was. Knowing it didn't have one, I just said I didn't know and that I got it installed when
I bought the car. They didn't know any better. They also thought my HID ballasts had something to
with altering the ignition and my scanguage 2 was a boost controller.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by fmicle

That's why gas in California is most expensive in the US, because it's higher grade, meant to produce less smog - no matter what car you put it in.

LOL

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by Mouse

This is exactly why CALI sucks to live in.

38 million people cannot be all wrong, can they?

[camelll]

Emissions and fuel economy are the only reason why they design them the way they do. Noise reduction is an advantage. They do not give a crap about noise. Look at the rest of the car, there is really no sound deadening in our cars. Show me where you get your info from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warm_air_intake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...esources_Board
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._Clean_Air_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold_vacuum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturally-aspirated_engine

[camelll]

Originally Posted by Tamago

LOL

That is what I thought

[camelll]

You should also do a little bit of reading about octane!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

[camelll]

fmicle, I am not trying to knock on you but rather help you learn so don't take it the wrong way. I know sometimes the way I type things come out the wrong way. This is what is bad about the internet, there is no face to face communications.

[cali yaris]

Every time camelll posts this as fact:

fmicle by all means get your car tested. You will not pass visual because you don't have a carb number on your intake. You may pass smog but you will still not pass because of the visual.

I say there are plenty of stations that will pass a CAI on visual (most of them, in fact) and that I have first hand experience to back up my statement.

Stop posting something as universal fact when it just ain't so in real life.

[camelll]

Cali the law is fact, if you do not have a carb number on your intake you should not pass inspection. If the ref that is doing the testing passes your car without a number then they are breaking the law. You may get pulled over for speeding but not get a ticket, this does not mean you did not break the law.

The person that passed you was not doing their job.

* edit * Are you saying that an aftermarket intake without a carb number is not against the law?

[camelll]

Also are you agreeing with fmicle about emissions and intakes?

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by camelll

You should also do a little bit of reading about octane!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

The quality of the fuel has nothing to do with the octane. Maybe I should't have used the word "grade", I thought we were going to stick to the substance and not pick on details like that.

This is common knowledge in California, that we can't import fuel from all over the country because not all refineries match the requirements for clean fuel (additives, sulfur, what not).

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by camelll

fmicle, I am not trying to knock on you but rather help you learn so don't take it the wrong way. I know sometimes the way I type things come out the wrong way. This is what is bad about the internet, there is no face to face communications.

Oh, no, don't worry, you need to learn as well, but I have patience and will provide you with links and information

[camelll]

This is what octane ratings are all about, not additives. The price for everything is higher in California as compared to the Midwest. Our cars are made to run on 89 octane, you do not get better emissions with higher octane. I am not nit picking just providing reading material. I never said anywhere that fuel quality has to do with octane. Some gases my be formulated to reduce certain vehicle emissions depending on the state they are sold in but the main thing with octane is anti knock properties.


"The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasoline and other fuels to detonation (engine knocking) in spark-ignition internal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratios and are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-performance engine will not generally perform better with high-octane fuel, since the compression ratio is fixed by the engine design."


http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...ine/index.html

[camelll]

Originally Posted by fmicle

Oh, no, don't worry, you need to learn as well, but I have patience and will provide you with links and information

LOL, I have not seen a link from you yet. Teach me grasshopper.

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by camelll

Also are you agreeing with fmicle about emissions and intakes?

Is that what's bothering you?

As I said above, I thought we're sticking to substance here and not to egos.

[Tamago]

what's legal and what you can get away with (or not get away with) are two very different things.

this thread is useless because obviously the law says a CARB sticker must be applied to any performance part for it to be legal. that's the law.

end of thread, no more discussion.

[camelll]

Originally Posted by fmicle

Is that what's bothering you?

As I said above, I thought we're sticking to substance here and not to egos.

This has nothing to do with ego. I am curious if he feels the same way you do on air intakes. This is all substance. The law is factual and full of substance.