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Interesting (and scary) article about Uber's driverless cars:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03...program/?amp=1 From the article: "Conventional car crashes killed 37,461 in the United States in 2016, which works out to 1.18 deaths per 100 million miles driven. Uber announced that it had driven 2 million miles by December 2017 and is probably up to around 3 million miles today. If you do the math, that means that Uber's cars have killed people at roughly 25 times the rate of a typical human-driven car in the United States." |
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Yikes!
I’m wondering what is the mechanism used to prevent accidents on the self driving car S? Is something connected to the brakes and the steering mechanism? Or is it just the brakes? I’m thinking A connection to the steering mechanism would be a lot more complicated than just the brakes. It makes a difference because using just the brakes would not prevent a lot of accidents the car would have to be steered also. And using breaks while steering is problematic . This whole thing is getting complicated!
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Having been trained as a traffic accident investigator, there is a very simple way to determine if the vehicle was at fault. You have to figure out the coefficient of friction on the roadway (with a drag sled) and the estimated distance the danger was first noticed (based on skid marks). You then calculate the distance to stop at the speed limit from that point. If the collision would have happened before the vehicle would have stopped, the driver is not at fault because it's not physically possible to have stopped in time. I'm quite certain that Uber has already hired private investigators to reconstruct the scene and are working overtime with their systems engineers to understand why the autopilot didn't detect the hazard. I'm guessing that the smaller radar print and being in the oncoming lane had a lot to do with it.
As for the "rate per million miles" working out to "25 times" the human rate, there's exactly ONE data point for this situation. There's lies, damned lies, and statistics. |
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There is no excuse for the vehicle not to have avoided killing the pedestrian. That is what the builders of these vehicles have promised the public. This should’ve been a slamdunk for self driving vehicles. There was no other traffic there were no other pedestrians there was nothing to interfere with the detection system. It’s also damning that there have been no videos released by these people showing their car preventing accidents. In fact it’s logical to suppose if they had such videos they would’ve been made public long ago. If they have them now’s the time to release them !
Frankly the evidence suggests these vehicles will not prevent accidents at all. The legal implications interests me greatly. Who will be found at fault for An accident? The driver who wasn’t driving the vehicle at the time? Hard to understand that one. It’s more likely the people who made the car will be found liable. Even more likely the manufactures will snow everybody into believing they are not responsible when they have made the claim all along that there will be less or no accidents involving their product.
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03-27-2018, 06:06 PM | #24 |
Like with all emerging technology, it's going to take time to get to that point.
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Kind of like global warming it will be interesting to see what happens. I doubt I’ll be around when global warning Gets proved right or wrong, but it’s possible I’ll live to see self driving cars succeed or fail.
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Something just occurred to me. Computers can compute at the speed of light but cars have mechanical limitations. Perhaps a computer can solve a problem like someone walking in front of a car, But no matter how fast It can do that mechanically the car cannot obey it’s commands. The accident is going to happen anyway.
In the case of the woman walking in from the car with her bicycle I don’t think it even got to the point where the car solve the problem in the computer. It would appear self Driving cars that avoid accidents humans can avoid is at least in part an illusion. Or 90% an illusion. It appears we’ve Ben had folks!
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I just don't see the need for a self driving car. It does interest me from a technical standpoint. I think it would be a great adventure trying to get it to work properly. And I am sure that eventually they will get there.
But what is driving this progress? Not the adventure of discovery. It is greed and not need in my opinion. Why do we as consumers need a driverless car? If you don't want to drive take a bus! Or an Uber...ahh there it is. If Uber finally gets this right then they can eliminate the drivers from the equation. No more having to split fares with them. It's greed motivating this thing, not need. |
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