VVT-I vs VTEC ??????????????? - Toyota Yaris Forums

marcus · 02-28-2007, 11:44 AM

Need to know what the major difference...i know vtec got the lift on it but which one is faster? i know yaris beat the fit 0-60 by about .6 sec. but is there anything else???

nsmitchell · 02-28-2007, 02:11 PM

Both are variable valve timing. I think Honda invented the technology. Now everyone uses it. It can be adapted for power or mileage. I had a Civic VX with VTEC tuned for mileage, but the Civic Si uses the VTEC tuning for power. Obviously, the Yaris and Fit are both tuned for mileage.

marcus · 02-28-2007, 02:33 PM

was hoping you can tell me which one is better that the other..i thought yaris got the lift as well but i was wrong..

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Originally Posted by nsmitchell

Both are variable valve timing. I think Honda invented the technology. Now everyone uses it. It can be adapted for power or mileage. I had a Civic VX with VTEC tuned for mileage, but the Civic Si uses the VTEC tuning for power. Obviously, the Yaris and Fit are both tuned for mileage.

Moose · 02-28-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus

was hoping you can tell me which one is better that the other..i thought yaris got the lift as well but i was wrong..

At this point, VTEC is still a bit more advanced. "Which is better," though, is still a bit too vague. I can tell you this- VTEC is, at this point, easier to tune for power, simply because of the huge amount of aftermarket support (Hondata and the like). VVT-i is advancing quickly, though, they have come a long way in a very short time. Toyota first used VVT-i in, what? 1993? The first Honda with VTEC was the Interceptor motorcycle in 1978.

as400g33k · 02-28-2007, 09:53 PM

Toyota has a VVT version with L called.. er.. VVTL-i, engine code 1zzfe (I think). Its used on the current MR2 Spyder and Corolla Sportivo models. Same engine used by Lotus on the Exige as well.

Moose · 02-28-2007, 10:13 PM

We'll never get anything remotely that cool here in the States.

By the way (stereotypical Yankee question)- if y'all are down under, are we up top?

Yup, I am an idiot.

spkrman · 03-01-2007, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Moose

We'll never get anything remotely that cool here in the States.

By the way (stereotypical Yankee question)- if y'all are down under, are we up top?

Yup, I am an idiot.

Moose
Resident Redneck

eTiMaGo · 03-01-2007, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by as400g33k

Toyota has a VVT version with L called.. er.. VVTL-i, engine code 1zzfe (I think). Its used on the current MR2 Spyder and Corolla Sportivo models. Same engine used by Lotus on the Exige as well.

That's the 2ZZ-GE which has VVTL-i, 1ZZ is just plain old VVT-i

Best way to explain the difference? the dyno. Look at the attached picture and see where the 1ZZ starts to run out of breath? That's where the high-rev cam on the 2ZZ kicks in and gives one heck of an extra kick in the pants.

Honda's original VTEC as seen in NSX, or civic/integra type R works on this basis too, extra performance kick at high RPMs.

Problem with this, of course, is that you need to have your engine revving hard at all time to get best performance out of it, there's not a lot down low...

The VTEC we see in the Fit and other "city" cars, is more aimed toward reducing consumption and emission throughout the rev range, rather than maximizing power. I'm not even 100% sure that there are two cam profiles for the Fit's VTEC engine, it may just control the timing in the same way our VVT-i does.

marcus · 03-01-2007, 01:25 PM

wow that was detailed info... daym i was hoping yaris has the lift but i guess i was wrong just oredered it and getting it end of april...maybe i should switch to matrix xrs instead...vvtl-i engine on it just dont like the shifting on that car.. kinna rough...

static808 · 03-01-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus

wow that was detailed info... daym i was hoping yaris has the lift but i guess i was wrong just oredered it and getting it end of april...maybe i should switch to matrix xrs instead...vvtl-i engine on it just dont like the shifting on that car.. kinna rough...

hahah, at least you can still get the xrs. i think that got discontinued last year for the US. damn you canadians and your RS's and XRS's!!

--B

marcus · 03-01-2007, 03:59 PM

yah it was discontinued the xrs i was gonna get that first time it came out but the car look kinna funny..i just what its heart the ( VVTL-I ) engine on it.. maybe put it on the yaris... sweet.. over 170 hp if that can be done plus 6 speed gear box..

02-28-2007, 11:44 AM	#1
marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	VVT-I vs VTEC ??????????????? Need to know what the major difference...i know vtec got the lift on it but which one is faster? i know yaris beat the fit 0-60 by about .6 sec. but is there anything else???

02-28-2007, 02:11 PM	#2
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	Both are variable valve timing. I think Honda invented the technology. Now everyone uses it. It can be adapted for power or mileage. I had a Civic VX with VTEC tuned for mileage, but the Civic Si uses the VTEC tuning for power. Obviously, the Yaris and Fit are both tuned for mileage. __________________ Other car is a 2005 Mustang Convertible 4.0L V6 Manual - Legend Lime Get YarAss in gear! RIP - Casey Tatum

02-28-2007, 10:13 PM	#6
Moose Resident Redneck Drives: 07 Polar White Yaris Sedan 5M Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 265	We'll never get anything remotely that cool here in the States. By the way (stereotypical Yankee question)- if y'all are down under, are we up top? Yup, I am an idiot. __________________ My other rides: 2003 Honda Civic LX Coupe 5M- S/C K24 w/ LSD coming soon! 1999 Honda Civic EX Coupe 5M w/ B18 powaa 1985 Toyota Celica GTS Coupe 5M- track whip http://www.importlounge.com

03-01-2007, 01:25 PM	#9
marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	kewl!! wow that was detailed info... daym i was hoping yaris has the lift but i guess i was wrong just oredered it and getting it end of april...maybe i should switch to matrix xrs instead...vvtl-i engine on it just dont like the shifting on that car.. kinna rough...

03-01-2007, 03:59 PM	#11
marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	rs - xrs yah it was discontinued the xrs i was gonna get that first time it came out but the car look kinna funny..i just what its heart the ( VVTL-I ) engine on it.. maybe put it on the yaris... sweet.. over 170 hp if that can be done plus 6 speed gear box..

02-28-2007, 09:53 PM	#5
as400g33k Drives: 05 YRS Silver Lining Metallic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 249	Toyota has a VVT version with L called.. er.. VVTL-i, engine code 1zzfe (I think). Its used on the current MR2 Spyder and Corolla Sportivo models. Same engine used by Lotus on the Exige as well.