Why are the sedans more widely available with the bells and whistles than the LB's? - Toyota Yaris Forums

grampi · 05-25-2007, 01:01 PM

I try to at least drive through as mant different Toyota dealerships as I can just to see what they have available on the lot. I would like to see a liftback with the 15" factory alloy wheels just to see what it looks like. Overwelmingly, what I'm seeing is the sedans are almost always well equipped with the option packages, while the liftbacks are almost always the bare-bones strippers. I wonder why this is? Does Toyota think that most people interested in the liftback prefer no-option vehicles? I love Toyotas in general as I think they build Swiss watch-like reliability into all their vehicles, but sometimes I have to wonder what drives their thought process on other issues like this. Some things (like this) just don't make any sense.

eTiMaGo · 05-25-2007, 01:05 PM

Probably that the hatch is considered by them as the rock-bottom, cheapest car people would want to buy, and if they wanted a fancier hatchback they should get a Scion... While the sedan has to appeal to a more grown up market, who does like some of the niceties in cars...

Just a guess!

grampi · 05-25-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

Probably that the hatch is considered by them as the rock-bottom, cheapest car people would want to buy, and if they wanted a fancier hatchback they should get a Scion... While the sedan has to appeal to a more grown up market, who does like some of the niceties in cars...

Just a guess!

That doesn't really make sense either, considering that Scion is supposed to be the low end Toyota brand. The LB and sedan should be equipped the same and offered simply as two different body styles. Hopefully, people will order many of the LB's with the option packages and Toyota will get the message that people actually do want the options on this model and start building more of them this way on their own. I guess the only drawback to doing this is the $12k LB now goes to $14k-$15K.

eTiMaGo · 05-25-2007, 01:35 PM

Isn't Scion considered more of a youth-oriented brand? And comes standard with a good amount of options?

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I guess the only drawback to doing this is the $12k LB now goes to $14k-$15K.

I think that is exactly the point here.

grampi · 05-25-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

Isn't Scion considered more of a youth-oriented brand? And comes standard with a good amount of options?

Yes, but Scion is also the low end brand of Toyota.

grampi · 05-25-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

I think that is exactly the point here.

But if they make the sedan avaiable with these options, why not the LB?

sdmf · 05-25-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by grampi

Yes, but Scion is also the low end brand of Toyota.

no its not a low end brand, it is just to appeal to the tastes of the younger crowd. thats why they have a fixed price of 14-17k because it has all the features they wanted. if the lb had a power package available with the 5spd i would totally love it, but all i seen are available in auto.

brickhardmeat · 05-25-2007, 05:27 PM

Agreed Scion sales pitch does not scream economy it screams hipster.

SailDesign · 05-25-2007, 06:07 PM

The LB comes with less options because the folks who buy it want to DRIVE it. The sedan is for folks who want to pimp it.

petesimac · 05-25-2007, 11:52 PM

SDMF, they don't have the 5 spd LB with the power package available in Chicago? I just bought one today here in Pittsburgh; now if it only had cruise control; that's what makes so little sense to me. If I really can't stand it (only take one or two long trips a year), I'll add one aftermarket.

YarisRunner · 05-26-2007, 12:00 AM

The regional Toyota distributor probably thought that most people will by the Sedan than the LB. So they fully spec the sedans. The dealers buy their Yarii from the distributers.

ChinoCharles · 05-26-2007, 12:27 AM

First of all, despite what anyone tells you you certainly can get a liftback with all the bells and whistles. The problem is it is going to take a long time because it is a special order because Toyota isn't building them that way. I was told that Toyota Motor Sales USA expected a full 80% of Yarii sold in America to be automatic, fully loaded sedans. They also expected that anyone looking for the liftbacks (which are cheaper) would be so fiscally responsible that they wouldn't dare ask for unnecessary shit like power this and that. That makes anything other than a bone stock liftback or a fully loaded sedan a little tricky to get. Thomas nailed it on the head... they figured if you wanted a hatchback with all the bells and whistles you'd buy the xA! Scion isn't the "lesser" Toyota brand (the tC is nicer than quite a few Toyotas out today), but it is their entry level flagship. It was a plot to get young first time buyers into Toyota cars so they could experience the beauty that is Toyota engineering, and holy shit did it work! I'll bet they didn't bank on the fact that so many older buyers would be interested in the quirky Scion vehicles, but that was just icing on the cake. To say the Scion brand was a success would be an extreme understatement considering how many of those younger buyers will probably end up buying Toyota or Lexus down the road. This is why Toyota is #1 now and will be for a long time... smart marketing, smart engineering, and good looking cars.

If your dealership of choice insists they cannot get you the Yaris you want, move on to another dealership! For every story I hear saying that a liftback with the power package is impossible to get, there is another person counting down the weeks until theirs arrives. If you're willing to wait you can get anything. Shit grampi, you're in Ohio... if they tell you you can't get what you want let me know and I'll put you in touch with DJ's sales department. He is a family friend and they run an awesome dealership. They're in Kent.

Sabretooth · 05-26-2007, 01:46 AM

Most people had to wait a huge amount of time to get any Yaris, but for some reason, I called and they had it... checked online before, and they had about 7 Yaris, only 1 with my options. Went back a month back, theres about 50 Yaris on the whole lot, 15 or so are LB...5 were S...and some were LB with Rims and C-one Spoiler.

I guess the fact that the southeast gets them from Jacksonville helps. Not actually built there but delivery spot.

grampi · 05-26-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

First of all, despite what anyone tells you you certainly can get a liftback with all the bells and whistles. The problem is it is going to take a long time because it is a special order because Toyota isn't building them that way. I was told that Toyota Motor Sales USA expected a full 80% of Yarii sold in America to be automatic, fully loaded sedans. They also expected that anyone looking for the liftbacks (which are cheaper) would be so fiscally responsible that they wouldn't dare ask for unnecessary shit like power this and that. That makes anything other than a bone stock liftback or a fully loaded sedan a little tricky to get. Thomas nailed it on the head... they figured if you wanted a hatchback with all the bells and whistles you'd buy the xA! Scion isn't the "lesser" Toyota brand (the tC is nicer than quite a few Toyotas out today), but it is their entry level flagship. It was a plot to get young first time buyers into Toyota cars so they could experience the beauty that is Toyota engineering, and holy shit did it work! I'll bet they didn't bank on the fact that so many older buyers would be interested in the quirky Scion vehicles, but that was just icing on the cake. To say the Scion brand was a success would be an extreme understatement considering how many of those younger buyers will probably end up buying Toyota or Lexus down the road. This is why Toyota is #1 now and will be for a long time... smart marketing, smart engineering, and good looking cars.

If your dealership of choice insists they cannot get you the Yaris you want, move on to another dealership! For every story I hear saying that a liftback with the power package is impossible to get, there is another person counting down the weeks until theirs arrives. If you're willing to wait you can get anything. Shit grampi, you're in Ohio... if they tell you you can't get what you want let me know and I'll put you in touch with DJ's sales department. He is a family friend and they run an awesome dealership. They're in Kent.

That's just it, I'm probably not going to get a new one. If I were, I'd just order it the way I wanted it and wait it out. I'll probably be looking to get a slightly used one sometime next year. I'm fairly certain I want a loaded LB (as opposed to the stripped one), so I'm realizing my task of finding the one I want used is going to be a daunting task. I'm going to have to be willing to travel long distances to get the one I want. The only way I'd consider getting a new one is if I can figure out some way to get one under some type of employee discount plan where I could end up getting an optioned out LB for around the same price as a stripped model. My Bro-in-law sells Toyotas and I'm going to check with him and see if he can get me some type of deal like this.

sdmf · 05-26-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by petesimac

SDMF, they don't have the 5 spd LB with the power package available in Chicago? I just bought one today here in Pittsburgh; now if it only had cruise control; that's what makes so little sense to me. If I really can't stand it (only take one or two long trips a year), I'll add one aftermarket.

nope went 2 8 dealerships all base with the 5 speed. the auto had it though

ECHOKnight2000 · 05-26-2007, 04:48 PM

Like others mentioned the liftback is supposed to be the "lower" of the two Yarii or at least lower starting price point. In the U.S. particularly they generally prefer sedans over wagons, hatchs and a like which is ironic sense this country is a SUV lovin' country. If you think about it SUVs are giant wagons. Anyway back on topic, Toyota figured and is right that more sedans will sell than liftbacks, considering the general history of such cars in the U.S., they don't do as well as their sedan counterparts where's in other parts of the world its the opposite, generally speaking. I personally prefer hatches and love the Yaris hatch, the sedan is nice but I prefer the hatch so it is too bad that you can't get it that much equiped but oh well! I think the reason the hatch doesn't come with cruise, not only to keep price down but they figured it is a city car or generally there abouts so its not offered, which does suck. I wish my ECHO had it but I have to get an aftermarket system...eventually.

05-25-2007, 01:05 PM	#2
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	Probably that the hatch is considered by them as the rock-bottom, cheapest car people would want to buy, and if they wanted a fancier hatchback they should get a Scion... While the sedan has to appeal to a more grown up market, who does like some of the niceties in cars... Just a guess! __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

05-25-2007, 05:27 PM	#8
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	Agreed Scion sales pitch does not scream economy it screams hipster. __________________ SPONSORED BY

05-26-2007, 01:46 AM	#13
Sabretooth 37HSSV View User's Garage Drives: '11 Mazdaspeed 3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St Cloud FL Posts: 1,395	Most people had to wait a huge amount of time to get any Yaris, but for some reason, I called and they had it... checked online before, and they had about 7 Yaris, only 1 with my options. Went back a month back, theres about 50 Yaris on the whole lot, 15 or so are LB...5 were S...and some were LB with Rims and C-one Spoiler. I guess the fact that the southeast gets them from Jacksonville helps. Not actually built there but delivery spot. __________________ 07 Toyota Yaris Hatchback -sold- 11 Mazdaspeed 3 -SRI/TIP, 3 inch TBI, Custom FMIC, Tuned by Cobb Accessport, HKS ssq2 BOV, Upgraded HPFP- Clean stock look... Killer performance.

05-26-2007, 04:48 PM	#16
ECHOKnight2000 Small Car Lover View User's Garage Drives: A Super Car Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Minnesota, US of A! Posts: 830	Like others mentioned the liftback is supposed to be the "lower" of the two Yarii or at least lower starting price point. In the U.S. particularly they generally prefer sedans over wagons, hatchs and a like which is ironic sense this country is a SUV lovin' country. If you think about it SUVs are giant wagons. Anyway back on topic, Toyota figured and is right that more sedans will sell than liftbacks, considering the general history of such cars in the U.S., they don't do as well as their sedan counterparts where's in other parts of the world its the opposite, generally speaking. I personally prefer hatches and love the Yaris hatch, the sedan is nice but I prefer the hatch so it is too bad that you can't get it that much equiped but oh well! I think the reason the hatch doesn't come with cruise, not only to keep price down but they figured it is a city car or generally there abouts so its not offered, which does suck. I wish my ECHO had it but I have to get an aftermarket system...eventually. __________________ You may look good on the beach but in reality you're a pompus, egotistical jerk. "I was never on the beach with you..."and you never will.

05-25-2007, 01:01 PM	#1
grampi Drives: Corolla Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 325	Why are the sedans more widely available with the bells and whistles than the LB's? I try to at least drive through as mant different Toyota dealerships as I can just to see what they have available on the lot. I would like to see a liftback with the 15" factory alloy wheels just to see what it looks like. Overwelmingly, what I'm seeing is the sedans are almost always well equipped with the option packages, while the liftbacks are almost always the bare-bones strippers. I wonder why this is? Does Toyota think that most people interested in the liftback prefer no-option vehicles? I love Toyotas in general as I think they build Swiss watch-like reliability into all their vehicles, but sometimes I have to wonder what drives their thought process on other issues like this. Some things (like this) just don't make any sense.

05-25-2007, 06:07 PM	#9
SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	The LB comes with less options because the folks who buy it want to DRIVE it. The sedan is for folks who want to pimp it.

05-25-2007, 11:52 PM	#10
petesimac Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: May 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 89	SDMF, they don't have the 5 spd LB with the power package available in Chicago? I just bought one today here in Pittsburgh; now if it only had cruise control; that's what makes so little sense to me. If I really can't stand it (only take one or two long trips a year), I'll add one aftermarket.

05-26-2007, 12:00 AM	#11
YarisRunner Drives: TBD...gotta buy it first Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 4	The regional Toyota distributor probably thought that most people will by the Sedan than the LB. So they fully spec the sedans. The dealers buy their Yarii from the distributers.

05-26-2007, 12:27 AM	#12
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	First of all, despite what anyone tells you you certainly can get a liftback with all the bells and whistles. The problem is it is going to take a long time because it is a special order because Toyota isn't building them that way. I was told that Toyota Motor Sales USA expected a full 80% of Yarii sold in America to be automatic, fully loaded sedans. They also expected that anyone looking for the liftbacks (which are cheaper) would be so fiscally responsible that they wouldn't dare ask for unnecessary shit like power this and that. That makes anything other than a bone stock liftback or a fully loaded sedan a little tricky to get. Thomas nailed it on the head... they figured if you wanted a hatchback with all the bells and whistles you'd buy the xA! Scion isn't the "lesser" Toyota brand (the tC is nicer than quite a few Toyotas out today), but it is their entry level flagship. It was a plot to get young first time buyers into Toyota cars so they could experience the beauty that is Toyota engineering, and holy shit did it work! I'll bet they didn't bank on the fact that so many older buyers would be interested in the quirky Scion vehicles, but that was just icing on the cake. To say the Scion brand was a success would be an extreme understatement considering how many of those younger buyers will probably end up buying Toyota or Lexus down the road. This is why Toyota is #1 now and will be for a long time... smart marketing, smart engineering, and good looking cars. If your dealership of choice insists they cannot get you the Yaris you want, move on to another dealership! For every story I hear saying that a liftback with the power package is impossible to get, there is another person counting down the weeks until theirs arrives. If you're willing to wait you can get anything. Shit grampi, you're in Ohio... if they tell you you can't get what you want let me know and I'll put you in touch with DJ's sales department. He is a family friend and they run an awesome dealership. They're in Kent.