Tein Basic Damper Coliey's Vs. Tein S. Tech Springs - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

hystria · 04-21-2007, 09:17 AM

the stock ride has a kind of "smooth" feeling - call this a comfort zone - that is immediately lost with every lowering springs. That said, I had the Tanabe NF's - 2.5K in front, they are somehow harsh of course, now figure out what could be two times that...

Here's a review of the basic coilovers, on a Acura TL:

"my feedback is based on a conservative drop, tight two finger gap in the front and a tight two finger gap in the back. I guess you could say a 1.25" gap all around.

Overall, I really enjoy this new set up. If your looking for a sportier feel and don't mind a little more bounce then this is for you. If you have kids and wanna keep a stock ride feel then this is NOT for you.

other than the drop, the biggest improvement with the tein basic coilover is the handling. I am not exxagerating when I say this but the car is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAR in terms of handling. It feels NOTHING like the former stock suspension, the "boatride" feel is gone, the "delay" in response is gone. You can change lanes quickly and you can make tight sharp turns (as if it was a civic), you can make round about free way on ramp, off ramp exits and entrances swiftly and quickly without any drag and delay. The feel of your calling falling off the road is now GONE.

The only drawback to the tein basic coilovers is the overall increase in "bounce". You will feel every bump and hump of the road and your car will re-act to it. if the road is smooth then it feels great but if the road is rough then you will feel it. I think the tein SS with adjustable damper can fix this issue.

Overall - I like it, the trade offs are totally worth it. If I knew the tein SS with adjustable damper would lessen the bounce then that would be my primary choice."

eTiMaGo · 04-21-2007, 09:20 AM

I'd agree with the above review. I have the Super Compact coilovers on mine, which have adjustable damping. Overall, the ride is very rough compared to stock, but you can tweak it to be quite acceptable.
And yeah, although I don't remember too well how the car handled stock, it is really quite responsive now.

ToTo · 04-21-2007, 06:18 PM

Thanks guys for the help!

I contacted Tein and this is some of what they had to say about the Tein Basic coilovers...

These kind of kits may seem a little harsh for the street, but with the matched dampers, it will not give you a bouncy ride.

Since the Basic kit comprises of a matched spring and damper setup, the ride quality will be a lot smoother than having to pair lowering springs with another brand performance damper. The ride will be stiffer, though, and many people not familiar with high performance suspension consider that as bouncy- it's just stiffer, not bouncy.

We also redesigned the dampers to maintain proper stroke length, even at low ride heights. So ride quality over uneven road surfaces can still be maintained.

I cannot guarantee that you will be happy with the ride as all
customers perceptions are different, but the intention of the kit
is for road use.

This means that some forgiving absorption is built into the
coilover.

So if the coilovers have matched damping in the shocks then the ride quality will not really be harsh, bouncy or uncomfortable?

largeorangefont · 04-21-2007, 11:06 PM

Thats what I told you 2 weeks ago

drifto · 04-22-2007, 12:14 AM

how about tein springs on stock struts? ok idea or stupid idea?

hystria · 04-22-2007, 10:40 AM

tein coilovers
harsh: it will be, you will feel every imperfection on the road, and every bump will "hit" the car
bouncy: a little because the yaris HB it's a short car. sure less that the stock suspension whose shocks are of very poor quality, the stock suspension is very bouncy in my opinion
uncomfortable: it depends on you... have a seat on a F1 car then on a 67 caddy... not the same feeling

largeorangefont · 04-22-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drifto

how about tein springs on stock struts? ok idea or stupid idea?

they will be fine.

TheBird · 04-25-2007, 12:24 PM

Hello, new to the forum, but thought I might have some insight! I would steer clear of the S-techs. Your shocks will be gone within 10k. I have them on my Civic right now and a friend had them on a SW20 MR2. I would say get Tanabe, RSR, or any other spring other than super cheapos.

I dont know if they are available yet, but Koni Yellows and Ground Control sleeves would be killer on these cars.

ToTo · 04-27-2007, 06:27 PM

Tein S-techs are super cheapos?

Kaotic Lazagna · 04-27-2007, 06:37 PM

i don't think they are, they cost more than the Tanabe springs.

largeorangefont · 04-27-2007, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToTo

Tein S-techs are super cheapos?

S techs are fine. They are usually softer than most other aftermarket springs.

Kaotic Lazagna · 04-28-2007, 01:21 AM

the ones i have are rated at 3.0 kg in the front and 3.5 kg in the rear. isn't that stiffer than both Tanabe springs?

TheBird · 04-29-2007, 04:09 PM

I have heard good things about the Tanabe GF210s( I think that is what they are). I forgot to mention, Eibachs are awesome springs.

Imagine · 05-03-2007, 10:29 AM

I ran Eibach Pro-Kits and Koni yellows on my Civic. The ride was pretty good. I put over 75K miles on that setup, now my friend has the car. You will not find a stock ride out of a performance setup, of course why would you want it? You will always get the best ride from buying a pair of shocks that are matched with the springs. If/when I decide to upgrade my suspension I'm sticking to coilovers. I like the ability to raise and lower the car if need be. If you want to get really technical and have the resources you can adjust the corner weights and really get is dialed in.

ToTo · 05-03-2007, 01:29 PM

Good info bro! So basically if Im getting the Tein Basic Damper coilover kit for the Yaris, which has shocks that are matched with the springs, then that will be the best ride I can get? It will be a decent ride then? I know it should be a bit harsher than stock, but not too bad?

I ordered my kit the other day...

Imagine · 05-03-2007, 01:46 PM

I don't see why it wouldn't be. Aslong as the shocks are valved for the springs you shouldn't have any problems with bounce. Of course, the fully adjustable SS would be better because you have a little more adjust ability to get them to match your driving style, but oh well. Don't be surprised, you will feel the bumps in the road. Especially if you run lower profile tires. Honestly though, I don't mind rough bumps near as much as body roll.

I made this mistake when I first put suspension on my civic. I went with a pair of Skunk2 coilover sleeves and Koni yellow shocks. What a mistake!!! The spring rate on the Skunks were to high and the Konis just couldn't keep up. After a few months I ditched them and went to the Eibachs. Ride quality was a million times better, but I always missed the ride height adjustment feature when I needed it.

A prime example of fantastically tuned suspension is the BMW. The ride is firm, but still very much performance oriented. The car begs to be whipped into corners.

Let us know how you like the Tein.

ToTo · 05-07-2007, 03:37 PM

Finally, got the Tein Basic coileys fitted today along with a 4 wheel alignment! Wow, the coileys are really super and great all in all! Im really happy with the ride comfort, not at all stiff as I thought they would be, a lot of you guys with your inputs and opinions were right, thanks guys for all your help! I would definitely recommend them to anyone looking into purchasing a set of coilovers for the Yaris, great piece of kit for sure!

Imagine · 05-07-2007, 05:08 PM

Cool! I'm glad you like them. That makes me want them even more now. I'm like you, I like a nice firm ride that is still comfortable. Did you take any pics?

04-21-2007, 09:20 AM	#20
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	I'd agree with the above review. I have the Super Compact coilovers on mine, which have adjustable damping. Overall, the ride is very rough compared to stock, but you can tweak it to be quite acceptable. And yeah, although I don't remember too well how the car handled stock, it is really quite responsive now. __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

04-21-2007, 06:18 PM	#21
ToTo Drives: Toyota Yaris T SPORT Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 110	Thanks guys for the help! I contacted Tein and this is some of what they had to say about the Tein Basic coilovers... These kind of kits may seem a little harsh for the street, but with the matched dampers, it will not give you a bouncy ride. Since the Basic kit comprises of a matched spring and damper setup, the ride quality will be a lot smoother than having to pair lowering springs with another brand performance damper. The ride will be stiffer, though, and many people not familiar with high performance suspension consider that as bouncy- it's just stiffer, not bouncy. We also redesigned the dampers to maintain proper stroke length, even at low ride heights. So ride quality over uneven road surfaces can still be maintained. I cannot guarantee that you will be happy with the ride as all customers perceptions are different, but the intention of the kit is for road use. This means that some forgiving absorption is built into the coilover. So if the coilovers have matched damping in the shocks then the ride quality will not really be harsh, bouncy or uncomfortable? __________________

04-22-2007, 12:14 AM	#23
drifto View User's Garage Drives: 07 5spd Yaris LB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY/NJ Posts: 251	how about tein springs on stock struts? ok idea or stupid idea? __________________ Going from drift to grip... 07 Yaris LB 5spd AE86 Corolla GTS 5spd http://microimage.ning.com/ http://www.microimageonline.com/store.html

04-27-2007, 06:27 PM	#27
ToTo Drives: Toyota Yaris T SPORT Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 110	Tein S-techs are super cheapos? __________________

05-03-2007, 01:29 PM	#33
ToTo Drives: Toyota Yaris T SPORT Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 110	Good info bro! So basically if Im getting the Tein Basic Damper coilover kit for the Yaris, which has shocks that are matched with the springs, then that will be the best ride I can get? It will be a decent ride then? I know it should be a bit harsher than stock, but not too bad? I ordered my kit the other day... __________________

04-21-2007, 09:17 AM	#19
hystria Drives: 2007 Orange Yaris Hb 3Drs Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Montreal-Canada Posts: 262	the stock ride has a kind of "smooth" feeling - call this a comfort zone - that is immediately lost with every lowering springs. That said, I had the Tanabe NF's - 2.5K in front, they are somehow harsh of course, now figure out what could be two times that... Here's a review of the basic coilovers, on a Acura TL: "my feedback is based on a conservative drop, tight two finger gap in the front and a tight two finger gap in the back. I guess you could say a 1.25" gap all around. Overall, I really enjoy this new set up. If your looking for a sportier feel and don't mind a little more bounce then this is for you. If you have kids and wanna keep a stock ride feel then this is NOT for you. other than the drop, the biggest improvement with the tein basic coilover is the handling. I am not exxagerating when I say this but the car is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAR in terms of handling. It feels NOTHING like the former stock suspension, the "boatride" feel is gone, the "delay" in response is gone. You can change lanes quickly and you can make tight sharp turns (as if it was a civic), you can make round about free way on ramp, off ramp exits and entrances swiftly and quickly without any drag and delay. The feel of your calling falling off the road is now GONE. The only drawback to the tein basic coilovers is the overall increase in "bounce". You will feel every bump and hump of the road and your car will re-act to it. if the road is smooth then it feels great but if the road is rough then you will feel it. I think the tein SS with adjustable damper can fix this issue. Overall - I like it, the trade offs are totally worth it. If I knew the tein SS with adjustable damper would lessen the bounce then that would be my primary choice."

04-21-2007, 11:06 PM	#22
largeorangefont Break'em off some. View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris LB, 04 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: So Cal, OC Posts: 854	Thats what I told you 2 weeks ago

04-22-2007, 10:40 AM	#24
hystria Drives: 2007 Orange Yaris Hb 3Drs Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Montreal-Canada Posts: 262	tein coilovers harsh: it will be, you will feel every imperfection on the road, and every bump will "hit" the car bouncy: a little because the yaris HB it's a short car. sure less that the stock suspension whose shocks are of very poor quality, the stock suspension is very bouncy in my opinion uncomfortable: it depends on you... have a seat on a F1 car then on a 67 caddy... not the same feeling

04-25-2007, 12:24 PM	#26
TheBird Drives: 1994 Honda Civic EJ1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 13	Hello, new to the forum, but thought I might have some insight! I would steer clear of the S-techs. Your shocks will be gone within 10k. I have them on my Civic right now and a friend had them on a SW20 MR2. I would say get Tanabe, RSR, or any other spring other than super cheapos. I dont know if they are available yet, but Koni Yellows and Ground Control sleeves would be killer on these cars.

04-27-2007, 06:37 PM	#28
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	i don't think they are, they cost more than the Tanabe springs.

04-28-2007, 01:21 AM	#30
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	the ones i have are rated at 3.0 kg in the front and 3.5 kg in the rear. isn't that stiffer than both Tanabe springs?

04-29-2007, 04:09 PM	#31
TheBird Drives: 1994 Honda Civic EJ1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 13	I have heard good things about the Tanabe GF210s( I think that is what they are). I forgot to mention, Eibachs are awesome springs.

05-03-2007, 10:29 AM	#32
Imagine Insert sarcasm here. View User's Garage Drives: 2009 Black Pearl Sand 3Dr Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 241	I ran Eibach Pro-Kits and Koni yellows on my Civic. The ride was pretty good. I put over 75K miles on that setup, now my friend has the car. You will not find a stock ride out of a performance setup, of course why would you want it? You will always get the best ride from buying a pair of shocks that are matched with the springs. If/when I decide to upgrade my suspension I'm sticking to coilovers. I like the ability to raise and lower the car if need be. If you want to get really technical and have the resources you can adjust the corner weights and really get is dialed in.

05-03-2007, 01:46 PM	#34
Imagine Insert sarcasm here. View User's Garage Drives: 2009 Black Pearl Sand 3Dr Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 241	I don't see why it wouldn't be. Aslong as the shocks are valved for the springs you shouldn't have any problems with bounce. Of course, the fully adjustable SS would be better because you have a little more adjust ability to get them to match your driving style, but oh well. Don't be surprised, you will feel the bumps in the road. Especially if you run lower profile tires. Honestly though, I don't mind rough bumps near as much as body roll. I made this mistake when I first put suspension on my civic. I went with a pair of Skunk2 coilover sleeves and Koni yellow shocks. What a mistake!!! The spring rate on the Skunks were to high and the Konis just couldn't keep up. After a few months I ditched them and went to the Eibachs. Ride quality was a million times better, but I always missed the ride height adjustment feature when I needed it. A prime example of fantastically tuned suspension is the BMW. The ride is firm, but still very much performance oriented. The car begs to be whipped into corners. Let us know how you like the Tein.

05-07-2007, 03:37 PM	#35
ToTo Drives: Toyota Yaris T SPORT Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 110	Finally, got the Tein Basic coileys fitted today along with a 4 wheel alignment! Wow, the coileys are really super and great all in all! Im really happy with the ride comfort, not at all stiff as I thought they would be, a lot of you guys with your inputs and opinions were right, thanks guys for all your help! I would definitely recommend them to anyone looking into purchasing a set of coilovers for the Yaris, great piece of kit for sure! __________________

05-07-2007, 05:08 PM	#36
Imagine Insert sarcasm here. View User's Garage Drives: 2009 Black Pearl Sand 3Dr Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 241	Cool! I'm glad you like them. That makes me want them even more now. I'm like you, I like a nice firm ride that is still comfortable. Did you take any pics?

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