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severous01 · 12-17-2010, 10:32 PM

question as stated, 40 45 or 9mm. i'm lookin at a springfield XDm and i like the 9 because of price of rounds and i'm not looking to spend a ton in bullets. i like the .45 because of stopping power. most rounds fired will be down range. it's for personal protection only, nothing more than staying in the house or goin to range.

any assistance would be appreciated. thanks in advance.

annn · 12-17-2010, 10:42 PM

With modern ammo such as federal hst,gold dots, etc...those 3 calibers are so close in "stopping power" it's really a personal choice.

I was a big fan of .40s&w for many years but with ammo advances in the last 10 years .. I think the 9mm gets my nod because of round count.

cdydjded · 12-17-2010, 10:52 PM

Iv also asked te same question to gun owners I knw, they all have said 9mm

MadMax · 12-18-2010, 12:58 AM

I still prefer .45ACP, and with pistols like the XD you can carry 13+1 to have another ammo to stop a threat.

But it's all a compromise, size vs velocity; but in the end it's round placement that counts more than anything else!

Cheers! M2

severous01 · 12-18-2010, 01:27 AM

everyone i talk to says to watch out for 9mm. it passes through. but, i guess i'll stick with cheaper rounds and cheaper gun.

like mentioned above, they all have high grade and low grade rounds. i suppose all of them being similar in size, force, capacity and price...i suppose i'll just have to stick with what's common to make things cheaper and easier.

Dragracer · 12-18-2010, 11:02 AM

Federal HST 9mm ammo expands to almost 3/4" and over penetration is unlikely.

MadMax · 12-18-2010, 12:07 PM

9mm is more likely to over-penetrate that the slower, larger .45ACP round; but honestly it has never been something I worry about. Seriously, if you find yourself in a situation where you have to use lethal force to save your life, the only thing you will be worried about is stopping the threat!

That said, I would still use a shotgun over an AK-47 in a home defense situation; but for a carry weapon either round (9mm, .40 or .45) will be effective. They all have their advantages/disadvantages but all have been used in one capacity or another with great effectiveness. The caliber debate is a silly one and if you are looking for a personal defense pistol you should concentrate more on finding one that suits your needs (size, weight, capacity, ergonomics, etc) than worrying about which caliber to choose. About the only time that really comes into consideration is on price.

I would recommend going to a gun show and "feeling" which pistols feel best in your hand. I think the XD is a great firearm, it is my primary carry weapon and I have thousands of rounds down my .45 Service without a since hiccup. It is a very popular model and one you can't go wrong with, but there are numerous makes and manufacturers out there who make excellent pistols; it's all a matter of what you like and how much money you have to spend!

Cheers! M2

ztrack157 · 12-18-2010, 12:41 PM

SW .40

djct_watt · 12-18-2010, 03:27 PM

In a real life shoot-to-kill situation, you're not going to firing shots like a jon woo film. You'd be seriously out of your mind to empty an entire clip. . . even with a 45. IMO, you wants those rounds to have the maximum impact possible. I mean, you really shouldn't be shooting someone if you don't intend to use deadly force. Unless you are a terrible shot or plan on fighting off the spanish inquisition, I'd go with a 45. The only reason I can see that you'd want to carry a 9mm is for a concealed carry and outdoor use where you could potentially get into a shoot-out situation (highly unlikely as well). Most times when guns are actually used, only a few rounds are actually fired, unless it's some idiot holding it sideways doing a drive-by (where they always hit EVERYTHING BUT the target). IMO, 6 rounds is plenty for defensive purposes.

MadMax · 12-18-2010, 03:49 PM

While the truth is that in most police-involved shooting incidents, only 2-3 rounds are fired, I would still advise owning something with a capacity greater than six rounds!

And I can as easily conceal a full-sized .45 semi-auto like my XD as well as any smaller, compact 9mm.

The point is, the effectiveness will come down to the skill of the shooter no matter what firearm is used. So instead of spending a lot of money on a Kimber 1911 or something similar, buy a pistol that you can afford to train with; and by train I don't mean standing at the range, taking careful aim at a paper target 10-15 yards away, and shooting at it. There are drills and even competitive shooting events such as IDPA that will allow you to be more efficient with your weapon and that will make you better prepared if it ever came to using it!

So find what works for you, and train as much as you can with it!

Cheers! M2

djct_watt · 12-18-2010, 04:06 PM

^ I can agree with that. I definitely wouldn't advise only 6 rounds. . . but I'm just saying it would be adequate for most situations. The clip capacity of most any 45 is more than enough!

However, my personal preference for a concealed carry is something a little smaller than a 45. . . but you're 100% correct about it being more about the shooter than the gun. But with the tub-larded-ness of most people nowadays and the amount of drugs people do, I'd personally want more stopping power than 9mm. I've heard many stories about needing more than 1 round to neutralize a threat. IMO, that's too many.

Nexus1155 · 12-18-2010, 04:14 PM

I have a M&P 9MM. I love the feel of the gun, fits perfect with the interchangeable grips.

Like others have said above me, the stopping power is close to one another, just the 9mm travels at a higher velocity. Rounds are cheaper. If you are going to go to the range alot get the 9mm. I have hollows for my carry clip.

djct_watt · 12-18-2010, 04:34 PM

Man, reading forum posts on an iPhone sucks... I missed a lot of relevant posts by other people that made some of my comments look even more retarded. When I browse on a computer, I read every post. Sorry for the forum idiocy on my part. I had no idea that 45 and 9mm were so close on stopping power. Most of my weapons education has been in Thailand, and this is THE land of misinformation.

nemelek · 12-18-2010, 06:21 PM

I have an assortment of fire arms. The loaded one in the night stand is a 9mm. The rest are in a safe.

severous01 · 12-18-2010, 06:39 PM

my uncle has a colt 1911, a XDm 9mm and several other pistols. my dad has a .22 pistol, .38, .357m and a few others of different caliber.

the 1911 was awesome, accurate and had a good feel but was extremely long. rounds are expensive as well unless you make your own, which uncle can do. the xdm 9mm was awesome in hand, it was the 4" version and was perfect for my hands. the .357 magnum was way too much, and was way too big and clunky feeling in hand (revolver....they're out of the question). .22 was good but no stopping power. .38 was good as well, but felt light and small in hand, and i wasnt very accurate with it due to it's small feel.

so i guess i'll be buyin an XDm of some caliber and like mentioned above, it will be based on price of rounds.

MadMax · 12-18-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by severous01

so i guess i'll be buyin an XDm of some caliber and like mentioned above, it will be based on price of rounds.

If inexpensive ammo is a factor, then you should go with a 9mm. Right now you can pick up 50 rounds of Federal 9mm FMJ at Walmart for about $10, good for target shooting. For home/self defense you'll want specific JHP ammo that will be considerably more, but you won't use it too much. I'd recommend putting several rounds of whatever ammo you plan to keep in the gun through it to make sure it feeds/cycles properly, although with an XD/XDm it's not a concern (they will eat anything). Still, it's a good idea to run some rounds through anyway, just to be sure.

Good luck and happy shooting!

Cheers! M2

Palmer812 · 12-19-2010, 12:02 AM

My daily concealed carry is a .40 (Glock 27). It is the same size as the 9mm Glock 26 and is only 1 round less. Target ammo is almost as cheap as 9mm (usually about $2 more per 50 rounds) but I get carry ammo for free so that helps. I have handguns from .22 all the way up to 500 S&W Magnum and love them all. Here is some gun porn.

DSCI0170-1.jpg

SailDesign · 12-19-2010, 09:07 AM

I'm just glad I live somewhere that doesn't make me feel like I need a "daily carry", or ANY "carry", come to that. I have a 20-gauge side-by-side and a Winchester 52 target rifle, all locked up snug - haven't pulled them out for use since we sold the farm. Travelling anywhere in New England, I have yet to feel "the need" for a carry-along. And that suits me fine.

12-17-2010, 10:32 PM	#1
severous01 Drives: 2008 yaris, stripped, red Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SE Texas Posts: 977	.40 .45 or 9mm question as stated, 40 45 or 9mm. i'm lookin at a springfield XDm and i like the 9 because of price of rounds and i'm not looking to spend a ton in bullets. i like the .45 because of stopping power. most rounds fired will be down range. it's for personal protection only, nothing more than staying in the house or goin to range. any assistance would be appreciated. thanks in advance.

12-18-2010, 12:58 AM	#4
MadMax Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback (Sprocket) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas! Posts: 2,799	I still prefer .45ACP, and with pistols like the XD you can carry 13+1 to have another ammo to stop a threat. But it's all a compromise, size vs velocity; but in the end it's round placement that counts more than anything else! Cheers! M2 __________________

12-18-2010, 11:02 AM	#6
Dragracer Yaris Noobie View User's Garage Drives: 2010 Yaris 3 Door Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lecanto, FL. Posts: 57	Federal HST 9mm ammo expands to almost 3/4" and over penetration is unlikely. __________________ Calling an illegal immigrant an undocumented worker, is like calling the corner drug dealer an unlicensed Pharmacist.

12-18-2010, 12:07 PM	#7
MadMax Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback (Sprocket) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas! Posts: 2,799	9mm is more likely to over-penetrate that the slower, larger .45ACP round; but honestly it has never been something I worry about. Seriously, if you find yourself in a situation where you have to use lethal force to save your life, the only thing you will be worried about is stopping the threat! That said, I would still use a shotgun over an AK-47 in a home defense situation; but for a carry weapon either round (9mm, .40 or .45) will be effective. They all have their advantages/disadvantages but all have been used in one capacity or another with great effectiveness. The caliber debate is a silly one and if you are looking for a personal defense pistol you should concentrate more on finding one that suits your needs (size, weight, capacity, ergonomics, etc) than worrying about which caliber to choose. About the only time that really comes into consideration is on price. I would recommend going to a gun show and "feeling" which pistols feel best in your hand. I think the XD is a great firearm, it is my primary carry weapon and I have thousands of rounds down my .45 Service without a since hiccup. It is a very popular model and one you can't go wrong with, but there are numerous makes and manufacturers out there who make excellent pistols; it's all a matter of what you like and how much money you have to spend! Cheers! M2 __________________

12-18-2010, 12:41 PM	#8
ztrack157 Vroom Vroom Beep Beep View User's Garage Drives: Powered Roller Skate Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Biggs, CA Posts: 404	SW .40 __________________ Ever blown out an R-200 diff god know's I have

12-17-2010, 10:42 PM	#2
annn ヤリスワールド Drives: 2008 HB Join Date: May 2010 Location: seattle Posts: 380	With modern ammo such as federal hst,gold dots, etc...those 3 calibers are so close in "stopping power" it's really a personal choice. I was a big fan of .40s&w for many years but with ammo advances in the last 10 years .. I think the 9mm gets my nod because of round count.

12-17-2010, 10:52 PM	#3
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	Iv also asked te same question to gun owners I knw, they all have said 9mm

12-18-2010, 01:27 AM	#5
severous01 Drives: 2008 yaris, stripped, red Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SE Texas Posts: 977	everyone i talk to says to watch out for 9mm. it passes through. but, i guess i'll stick with cheaper rounds and cheaper gun. like mentioned above, they all have high grade and low grade rounds. i suppose all of them being similar in size, force, capacity and price...i suppose i'll just have to stick with what's common to make things cheaper and easier.

12-18-2010, 03:27 PM	#9
djct_watt Drives: 2010 NCP91 5spd Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Thailand Posts: 449	In a real life shoot-to-kill situation, you're not going to firing shots like a jon woo film. You'd be seriously out of your mind to empty an entire clip. . . even with a 45. IMO, you wants those rounds to have the maximum impact possible. I mean, you really shouldn't be shooting someone if you don't intend to use deadly force. Unless you are a terrible shot or plan on fighting off the spanish inquisition, I'd go with a 45. The only reason I can see that you'd want to carry a 9mm is for a concealed carry and outdoor use where you could potentially get into a shoot-out situation (highly unlikely as well). Most times when guns are actually used, only a few rounds are actually fired, unless it's some idiot holding it sideways doing a drive-by (where they always hit EVERYTHING BUT the target). IMO, 6 rounds is plenty for defensive purposes. __________________ The best modification you can make is between the steering wheel and driver's seat.

12-18-2010, 03:49 PM	#10
MadMax Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback (Sprocket) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas! Posts: 2,799	While the truth is that in most police-involved shooting incidents, only 2-3 rounds are fired, I would still advise owning something with a capacity greater than six rounds! And I can as easily conceal a full-sized .45 semi-auto like my XD as well as any smaller, compact 9mm. The point is, the effectiveness will come down to the skill of the shooter no matter what firearm is used. So instead of spending a lot of money on a Kimber 1911 or something similar, buy a pistol that you can afford to train with; and by train I don't mean standing at the range, taking careful aim at a paper target 10-15 yards away, and shooting at it. There are drills and even competitive shooting events such as IDPA that will allow you to be more efficient with your weapon and that will make you better prepared if it ever came to using it! So find what works for you, and train as much as you can with it! Cheers! M2 __________________

12-18-2010, 04:06 PM	#11
djct_watt Drives: 2010 NCP91 5spd Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Thailand Posts: 449	^ I can agree with that. I definitely wouldn't advise only 6 rounds. . . but I'm just saying it would be adequate for most situations. The clip capacity of most any 45 is more than enough! However, my personal preference for a concealed carry is something a little smaller than a 45. . . but you're 100% correct about it being more about the shooter than the gun. But with the tub-larded-ness of most people nowadays and the amount of drugs people do, I'd personally want more stopping power than 9mm. I've heard many stories about needing more than 1 round to neutralize a threat. IMO, that's too many. __________________ The best modification you can make is between the steering wheel and driver's seat.

12-18-2010, 04:14 PM	#12
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	I have a M&P 9MM. I love the feel of the gun, fits perfect with the interchangeable grips. Like others have said above me, the stopping power is close to one another, just the 9mm travels at a higher velocity. Rounds are cheaper. If you are going to go to the range alot get the 9mm. I have hollows for my carry clip.

12-18-2010, 04:34 PM	#13
djct_watt Drives: 2010 NCP91 5spd Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Thailand Posts: 449	Man, reading forum posts on an iPhone sucks... I missed a lot of relevant posts by other people that made some of my comments look even more retarded. When I browse on a computer, I read every post. Sorry for the forum idiocy on my part. I had no idea that 45 and 9mm were so close on stopping power. Most of my weapons education has been in Thailand, and this is THE land of misinformation. __________________ The best modification you can make is between the steering wheel and driver's seat.

12-18-2010, 06:21 PM	#14
nemelek DWEED Drives: 3DR 2008 Metorite Metalic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,161	I have an assortment of fire arms. The loaded one in the night stand is a 9mm. The rest are in a safe. __________________ Making a decision without following it with an action is still a fantasy.

12-18-2010, 06:39 PM	#15
severous01 Drives: 2008 yaris, stripped, red Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SE Texas Posts: 977	my uncle has a colt 1911, a XDm 9mm and several other pistols. my dad has a .22 pistol, .38, .357m and a few others of different caliber. the 1911 was awesome, accurate and had a good feel but was extremely long. rounds are expensive as well unless you make your own, which uncle can do. the xdm 9mm was awesome in hand, it was the 4" version and was perfect for my hands. the .357 magnum was way too much, and was way too big and clunky feeling in hand (revolver....they're out of the question). .22 was good but no stopping power. .38 was good as well, but felt light and small in hand, and i wasnt very accurate with it due to it's small feel. so i guess i'll be buyin an XDm of some caliber and like mentioned above, it will be based on price of rounds.

12-19-2010, 12:02 AM	#17
Palmer812 Drives: 2010 Meteorite Metallic LB Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 251	My daily concealed carry is a .40 (Glock 27). It is the same size as the 9mm Glock 26 and is only 1 round less. Target ammo is almost as cheap as 9mm (usually about $2 more per 50 rounds) but I get carry ammo for free so that helps. I have handguns from .22 all the way up to 500 S&W Magnum and love them all. Here is some gun porn. DSCI0170-1.jpg

12-19-2010, 09:07 AM	#18
SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	I'm just glad I live somewhere that doesn't make me feel like I need a "daily carry", or ANY "carry", come to that. I have a 20-gauge side-by-side and a Winchester 52 target rifle, all locked up snug - haven't pulled them out for use since we sold the farm. Travelling anywhere in New England, I have yet to feel "the need" for a carry-along. And that suits me fine.