25 Car With Mpg Good As Hybrids

[bronsin]

http://www.mpgomatic.com/25-fuel-eff...weatherchannel

[jack black]

Yep, but that's only for hwy numbers. Look at city mpg or combined mpg and the gap is huge. I commute in city only and when switched from corolla to prius, I instantly doubled mpg from 28 to 55. My kid who drives Yaris in city also gets 28 mpg. She is not a hypermiller for sure.

[bronsin]

True dat.

Now factor in the increased expense incurred in buying a hybrid over a car like a Yaris and run the numbers again.

BTW I get 35 mpg in my Yaris driving 6.5 miles twice a day going to work.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Now factor in the increased expense incurred in buying a hybrid over a car like a Yaris and run the numbers again.

Also, 7 of the 25 are diesels, and (at least here) diesel costs quite a bit more per gallon than 87 octane gasoline.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

BTW I get 35 mpg in my Yaris driving 6.5 miles twice a day going to work.

Yeah , I don't think I've gotten much under 37 MPG (if under 37 at all) on an all city tank in at least a couple of years.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Also, 7 of the 25 are diesels, and (at least here) diesel costs quite a bit more per gallon than 87 octane gasoline.

This is true. That and increased initial cost and largely offsets any savings from increased mpg.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Yeah , I don't think I've gotten much under 37 MPG (if under 37 at all) on an all city tank in at least a couple of years.

It nice and hot in Houston and I bet thats why.

[roxy1]

while a hybrid has the big advantage in the city, keep in mind that if true city driving is most of your commute, the number of miles is much less than for others.

I used to drive exclusively in Chicago traffic at 50 miles per week. while the hybrid mileage would be great, at 25 mpg's, I would only use about $8 per week for gas. at 50 mpg in a hybrid I would need 1 gallon, so $4.

so, the hybrid city advantage sounds great, but is it? in my scenario I would save $4 per week, $208 per year.

it would take 10 years to save roughly $2000.


now, I have a mostly rural and light suburban commute, similar to my brother, who drives a prius. he averages 46 mpg, I average 42+. that saves him $128 per year if we both drive 15,000 miles per year.

[SKurj]

My commute is 50 miles each way at 60-80mph.. No point in my buying a hybrid, even if there wasn't a premium price attached to them. Now a diesel.. maybe but of course the only real diesel option yet is the VW's and no thanks! Even the premium price for the diesel and then the more costly service.. and then the fluctuating price of diesel.. make it hard to justify.

Now when I can buy a hybrid or even plug in, that can do 150-200 miles on a charge at highway speeds .. maybe then.. so long as the price doesn't out weigh the fuel savings.

and wtf is with all the 80mph prius's ... treehugger by night.. lumberjack by day?

[NYC-SE]

Originally Posted by SKurj

Now a diesel.. maybe but of course the only real diesel option yet is the VW's and no thanks!

I came from a VW TDI. Finally gave up after 4 years of problems. Yes they get better MPG but factor in the added cost, higher diesel prices and expensive maintenance and it's just not worth it, and that's if everything is working right. Now throw in break downs, shop time, vehicle unavailability and it's REALLY not worth it.

I bought a 2014 Yaris SE and life is good now.

[jack black]

Originally Posted by roxy1

now, I have a mostly rural and light suburban commute, similar to my brother, who drives a prius. he averages 46 mpg, I average 42+. that saves him $128 per year if we both drive 15,000 miles per year.

Now, you do realize that comparing prius to yaris with MT is like apples to oranges, right? Prius is midsize while Yaris is compact. Prius has eCVT.

You should either compare Prius to Matrix with AT or Prius C to Yaris AT.

In my case, the hybrid premium over Matrix melted in 50,000 miles of city driving (yes, I drive a lot in city).

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

It nice and hot in Houston and I bet thats why.

Yeah, the heat shortens the life of batteries, but the absence of the cold you guys get (as well as other northern parts of the U.S. and just about all of Canada) means we don't really get winter MPG dip solely attributable to temperature. The NAPA Legend battery (same one CTScott uses) that I got at 274,086 miles = a few cents of difference when compared to the previous 2 batteries combined.....$130.99 net (120.99 net + 10.00 installation at a local place) vs $131.52 ----- ($70.09 including install for a 1yr guarantee Sears that I milked to exactly 3 yrs and 86,891 miles (after getting 138,055 and just under 3yrs re the OEM battery).....then $61.43 including installation for a 1yr guarantee Wal-Mart battery that lasted 16 months and 49,860 miles).....but the NAPA Legend is light years better.....SO worth the extra cost.

[bronsin]

Hmm my wifes Camry battery lasted 6 years and my ECHOs battery seven....the Yaris still has it org one and its five years old.

[roxy1]

I took a trip to Ann Arbor and back yesterday.

cargo: Me (220 lbs), Dad (185 lbs), 2 dogs (90 lbs), misc (30 lbs)

182 miles each way

going: U.S. highway-45-62 mph with a scattering of small towns to drive through. moderately hilly.

return: I-94 most of the way. 65-75 mph for about 80% of the return. the rest rural.

364 miles driven. 8.12 gallons used. 44.8 mpg's. dash computer showed 45.1, so pretty accurate.

the interstate on the way home drug it down, as the mpg reading going there was 48.8.

hyvrid schmybrid!!

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Hmm my wifes Camry battery lasted 6 years and my ECHOs battery seven....the Yaris still has it org one and its five years old.

Exactly. The heat index in your area doesn't get as high during the summer nor stay as relentlessly high as it does here. That this heat shortens the life of car batteries here is a rule of thumb to the automotive people I've spoken with. I wondered aloud (on a thread, last year IIRC) the 'what causes what' re this, and CTScott posted the precise details.

On the other end of the spectrum, perhaps you are too far south to get clobbered by lower MPG re how cold it gets, but I've read quite a few posts from Canadian Yarisworld members detailing such laments .

Perhaps the number of miles I've driven in that heat also effects the life of my batteries?......(IDK about that.....I don't think that was part of my 'wondering aloud' on that past thread). I don't think it helped that my first two batteries after the OEM were such 'cheapies' and that they were series 26R not series 35 (the series 35 cheapest Sears and series 35 cheapest Wal-Mart wouldn't fit in my Yaris because the bar that secures the battery in place wouldn't fit over either of those batteries).

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by roxy1

I took a trip to Ann Arbor and back yesterday.

cargo: Me (220 lbs), Dad (185 lbs), 2 dogs (90 lbs), misc (30 lbs)

182 miles each way

going: U.S. highway-45-62 mph with a scattering of small towns to drive through. moderately hilly.

return: I-94 most of the way. 65-75 mph for about 80% of the return. the rest rural.

364 miles driven. 8.12 gallons used. 44.8 mpg's. dash computer showed 45.1, so pretty accurate.

the interstate on the way home drug it down, as the mpg reading going there was 48.8.

hyvrid schmybrid!!

[jack black]

Originally Posted by roxy1

I took a trip to Ann Arbor and back yesterday.

cargo: Me (220 lbs), Dad (185 lbs), 2 dogs (90 lbs), misc (30 lbs)

182 miles each way

going: U.S. highway-45-62 mph with a scattering of small towns to drive through. moderately hilly.

return: I-94 most of the way. 65-75 mph for about 80% of the return. the rest rural.

364 miles driven. 8.12 gallons used. 44.8 mpg's. dash computer showed 45.1, so pretty accurate.

the interstate on the way home drug it down, as the mpg reading going there was 48.8.

hyvrid schmybrid!!

You must be a very accomplished hypermiller.
Yaris real life MPG is mid to high 30's:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris

On the other hand, Prius averages 47 MPG in real life:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius

If you drove a Prius with your hypermilling skills, you would get 60 MPG easily.

I'm not even going to get to the argument that Yaris is subcompact while Prius is midsize.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by jack black

You must be a very accomplished hypermiller.
Yaris real life MPG is mid to high 30's:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris

On the other hand, Prius averages 47 MPG in real life:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius

If you drove a Prius with your hypermilling skills, you would get 60 MPG easily.

I'm not even going to get to the argument that Yaris is subcompact while Prius is midsize.

other than not gunning away from stops and not keeping on the gas all the way to the lights, i do not do any hypermiling. i literally just drove there and drove back. there wasn't even much stopiing involved on either leg.

ive seen plenty of others get in the mid 40's with the manual yaris. people getting mid-upper 30's has to be driving a bit hard. i would have to try to get under 40.