stick vs. auto acceleration

[abcando]

does anyone know how much better is stick acceleration on the yaris compared to automatic?

[riceboy]

My personal opinion is that with a car this small, and with such limited hp.. you absolutely need the stick.

[stuffy]

i don't think it actually makes a big difference, mine is a stick but i routinely drive automatic yarises, both are peppy but obviously not super fast in relation to cars with more hp.
i think it is a lot more fun to drive stick with a small car, or any car for that matter.

[bulldogs2k]

its maybe 1 sec. faster in a quarter mile with a stick, and thats with a good driver. still slow lol !!

[fnkngrv]

I test drove the auto before buying my stick and as far as I am concerned the auto feels a lot more sluggish than the stick....but that is just my opinion.

[Chaad32]

The auto is vey sluggish. When going up hills I press, and press, and press, and press, and press, and press, and press........and I still keep going just as slow as before. But hay...It's an econo-box. What do you expect.

[ctrj]

We test drove an auto before ordering our 5 speed and the auto felt very sluggish. I really think the auto hampers the car and takes any fun out of driving it.

[pennystocks]

Originally Posted by Chaad32

The auto is vey sluggish. When going up hills I press, and press, and press, and press, and press, and press, and press........and I still keep going just as slow as before. But hay...It's an econo-box. What do you expect.

Putting the shifter down a couple of gears helps . The stick will only be better off the line (0-10mph) So instead of running 20 in the 1/4 you run 19.5 Personally i'd take the auto. Less screwing around. Now if you bought something with 300 hp, take the stick .

[Chaad32]

Good idea. I guess with the gated shifter all you have to do to get mre power is push left!

[Jola1]

Autos should be reserved for disabled persons only!!!!

They are unheard of in many parts of the planet and the performance and control is definently inferior to manual.

Drive the car......................

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Jola1

Autos should be reserved for disabled persons only!!!!

They are unheard of in many parts of the planet and the performance and control is definently inferior to manual.

Drive the car......................

I don't really care about how slow the auto is.. With this limited hp, 5sp vs. auto just like 9 sec vs 10 sec from 0-60 mph..
But the benefit from the auto is giving me a good time in traffic.

BTW, I am not a disable, but I have a 6sp. Mini Cooper S and a AT Yaris. They serve for different purpose.

[Boo]

FYI, the Tiptonic S in the latest 997 Turbo is faster than the 6 sp. manual.

[pennystocks]

Originally Posted by Jola1

Autos should be reserved for disabled persons only!!!!

They are unheard of in many parts of the planet and the performance and control is definently inferior to manual.

Drive the car......................

Bah, automatics are so much easier. Its just like having climate control or heated seats. Its not needed but wanted.

Pros of an auto:

Its impossible to shift as fast as an automatic
No screwing around in traffic
You never destroy your first automatic
There is no $600 maintenance
It's setup to shift at the right rpm to get you the best mileage
You can never get it stuck between 3rd and 5th gear somehow and have to take both hands to yank it out (oy, that was a bad miss-shift)
Higher resale value

Pros of a manual:

Its fun
You can drop the clutch at 4k rpm
You can chirp the tires with a stock clutch
1 more mile per gallon (us)
You can start the car with a dead battery

Really comes down to what you like. I say normal cars should have automatics.
There is really no need for sticks. And the transmissions that they put into 4 bangers dont have that "feel". Now a T56 6-speed is a transmission and feels like your driving a machine.
The only cars that should really have sticks are trucks and sports cars (cars that are slower than 14.9 in the 1/4 or 400 meter are not sports cars )

[swng]

In order to rejoin this friendly and interesting discussion, I am afraid I would have to "repost" some of my humble opinions. Today's better designed automatic gear boxes do allow significant control by the drivers. More and more control can be gained as the drivers become more and more experienced and skillful. If my memory serves me right, even Formula One cars have semi-automatic shifts nowadays in the sense that they do not require the drivers to use any clutch.
Back to our lovely Yarii, in a sense, one may consider an auto gear box as a clutchless manual box if one knows how to control/enjoy it.
Having said that, don't get me wrong stick fans, I fully agree that standard shifts are the way to go if driving fun and the last drop of performance are of utmost importance.

[TRD_Yaris]

I'm sorry, but until the F1 guys are playing "penis princess" with automatics..i think i'll be rocking a stick and a clutch....

[07WYarisRS]

I hate to bust your bubble but FI cars use a manual start semi automatic sequential-shift transmission.

yes they have a clutch only for stoping and starting but once moving they are completely automatic just like the transmission in cars like the mini cooper S, Lexus, and no clutch is needed
They do this because as already said it's more reliable and constant then power shifting a standard transmission and automatics shift 5X faster for much faster acceleration. And there is no fear of missing a shift.

[swng]

Originally Posted by 07WYarisRS

I hate to bust your bubble but FI cars use a manual start semi automatic sequential-shift transmission.

yes they have a clutch only for stoping and starting but once moving they are completely automatic just like the transmission in cars like the mini cooper S, Lexus, and no clutch is needed
They do this because as already said it's more reliable and constant then power shifting a standard transmission and automatics shift 5X faster for much faster acceleration. And there is no fear of missing a shift.

You describe it better than I do. I only have a vague idea/memory of what F1 cars have. Apart from clutchless shifting (whilst racing), they also shift with flap buttons attached to the steering wheel, right?

[07WYarisRS]

Correct although some F1 cars have a back up shifter on the side as well. It's basically a Three way switch. Tap it forward to gear down tap it back to gear up.

Many of the transmissions can shift automatically or be shifted manually with out a clutch. Even some of the newer Honda ATV's have this same basic design of transmission. All drivers shift manually to keep the engine in the powerband at all times.
Some others designs use an electricically controled clutch that is activated while shifting but regardless the style F1 cars do not use a standard transmission, they are all classed as Semi auto.

My sisters mini cooper S has this style transmission with the shifter flaps on the steering wheel.