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Old 09-27-2013, 11:20 AM   #1
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Spoon Rigid Collars NCP91

Check this video out. Spoon makes collars for Vitz/Yaris now. I just installed RZCrew Garage Collars on my Yaris. They make a big differrnce. Theres also another European company selling rigid collars online, (rigidcollars.com) for our cars.
http://youtu.be/zWyUD6UXfog
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:25 PM   #2
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wow thats awesome! interesting video
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:54 PM   #3
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Check this video out. Spoon makes collars for Vitz/Yaris now. I just installed RZCrew Garage Collars on my Yaris. They make a big differrnce. Theres also another European company selling rigid collars online, (rigidcollars.com) for our cars.
http://youtu.be/zWyUD6UXfog
Does your car still have all the stock bushings? Hard to imagine any improvement being felt, or even measured, when you have massive rubber control arm and shock bushings in place - the upper shock mount alone has about a 1/2" of play in it. There is so much flex in the OE suspension, the subframe would be the last thing I would worry about. I also don't like the idea of lifting the body by placing a spacer between it and the subframe.

Interesting in the video... When they compare the two cars the blur on the "after" cars wheels seems to make it look like it was going faster when it hit the block, making the suspension instead of the chassis take the load - it would be easy to synch the videos in post production. Also the tire on the after car seem to deflect a lot more, another indicator of increased speed or lowered tire pressure.
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Old 09-27-2013, 01:10 PM   #4
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Why are there two threads about this?
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:17 PM   #5
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Why are there two threads about this?
Sorry bout that. This is more about the Spoon one, so thought it was ok to open another thread.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:35 PM   #6
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Does your car still have all the stock bushings? Hard to imagine any improvement being felt, or even measured, when you have massive rubber control arm and shock bushings in place - the upper shock mount alone has about a 1/2" of play in it. There is so much flex in the OE suspension, the subframe would be the last thing I would worry about. I also don't like the idea of lifting the body by placing a spacer between it and the subframe.

Interesting in the video... When they compare the two cars the blur on the "after" cars wheels seems to make it look like it was going faster when it hit the block, making the suspension instead of the chassis take the load - it would be easy to synch the videos in post production. Also the tire on the after car seem to deflect a lot more, another indicator of increased speed or lowered tire pressure.
Yes im stock bushings all around still. My car is fairly new, 5k miles on it. I put the RZRCrew ones two weeks ago. Very obvious and noticeable difference even in my fairly new car. Tighter more solid feel immediately noticeable. Our roads here in the Philippines are sub par, alot of potholes and uneven surface conditions, worse than New Yor City, haha. I could really feel the difference when hitting these surfaces. I used to hear another sound other than just the rubber of the tires on the surfaces. Now, mostly all I hear is the rubber. I notice my car used to rock and wobble a bit just from these surfaces and jolts of acceleration. It doesnt do that anymore. Better handling and steering response. Prior to installation, My car was fully strutted on UR bars minus mid bar and rear upper. H&R springs on stock shocks.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:47 PM   #7
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It definetely feels like a more expensive car. My father has an IS 300. Collars bring it closer to that feel. In more expensive cars they dont take as many manufacturing shorcuts. Oh, and ride height is unchanged.
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Old 09-27-2013, 03:29 PM   #8
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Interesting in the video [...]. Also the tire on the after car seem to deflect a lot more, another indicator of increased speed or lowered tire pressure.
I did notice that the tire in the "after" shot looked under-inflated. I guess I'm not alone on this...
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:52 PM   #9
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Does your car still have all the stock bushings? Hard to imagine any improvement being felt, or even measured, when you have massive rubber control arm and shock bushings in place - the upper shock mount alone has about a 1/2" of play in it. There is so much flex in the OE suspension, the subframe would be the last thing I would worry about. I also don't like the idea of lifting the body by placing a spacer between it and the subframe.

Interesting in the video... When they compare the two cars the blur on the "after" cars wheels seems to make it look like it was going faster when it hit the block, making the suspension instead of the chassis take the load - it would be easy to synch the videos in post production. Also the tire on the after car seem to deflect a lot more, another indicator of increased speed or lowered tire pressure.
QFT.

Echo's don't have this collar, but Jason's right on point - the factory suspension has way more flex than any positive effect this would ever have...
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:06 PM   #10
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Are you able to get these garm i went to the website they dont have shipping to us
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:03 AM   #11
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QFT.

Echo's don't have this collar, but Jason's right on point - the factory suspension has way more flex than any positive effect this would ever have...
True, but your'e dealing with two fairly independent systems. Like stated in the video, on race cars, these areas where the bolts are that connect the body to the subframe, these parts are actually welded. Its not really the suspension its working on but rather the connection of the engine, transmission and suspension to the subframe which is a rather lose and you can say primative connection on alot of non luxury or more expensive sports cars. The effect of play in the stock suspension is independent of of the effect of rigid collars since they are separate areas in a cars makeup. Thats like saying if you add a front upper strut bar, there would be no positive effect unless a rear strut bar were added as well.
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Note: I have the UR front lower 4 point stress bar. Apparently, these are four of the bolts that connect the body to the subframe. The collars go in first and strut bar slaps on after.
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:01 AM   #13
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Are you able to get these garm i went to the website they dont have shipping to us
Hope youre able to hook up with a set. Just FYI, this site in Europe is selling the rear collars online. Price is in Brittish pounds. Although there are six more that go in the front of the car. http://www.rigidcollar.com/index.php...cp91-rear.html

Also check RZRCrewgarage.com in Singapore. They make em too for many makes and models. Allthough they dont look as high tech and great as the Spoon.
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:42 AM   #14
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I have had a similar setup installed in Thailand.
They are made of aluminum, machined to replicate Spoon's.
Copper grease was also applied to prevent seizure.

I can confirm it has a noticeable effect on my Yaris.
The car feels 'heavier' -- 'more European-ish'
Front caster angles were also increased, due to change in subframe position.

I'll say it's pretty best bang for the buck mod.
I paid for just approx. US$80 here. (They have service life of 3 years, however.)

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Old 09-29-2013, 12:26 PM   #15
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Sure, or we can make them.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:54 PM   #16
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That play is how caster is corrected during an alignment, as the top of the strut is fixed in place and has no adjustment.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:16 AM   #17
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This is how the rear collars look.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:24 AM   #18
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I have had a similar setup installed in Thailand.
They are made of aluminum, machined to replicate Spoon's.
Copper grease was also applied to prevent seizure.

I can confirm it has a noticeable effect on our Yaris.
The car feels 'heavier' -- 'more European-ish'
Front caster angles were also increased, due to change in subframe position.

I'll say it's pretty best bang for the buck mod.
I paid for just approx. US$80 here. (They have service life of 3 years, however.)
I felt my car heavier too right after install. Its deceiving because they weigh close to nothing. ** The Spoon ones supposedly last forever.
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