Anyone running Royal Purple? - Page 3 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Tamago · 02-16-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLAZINBLUEVITZ

i use oil from the mexican joint down the street. when i hit the block im smelling like bean burritos......

that sounds excellent... what weight is the oil?

Yaribhini · 02-16-2009, 04:54 PM

I would use ATLEAST a 5w oil with a timing chain. TSB interpretation or not, a timing chain configuration needs some oil weight.

The Shape · 02-16-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Shape

So is four quarts of Castrol 5w-30 way to much?? I checked it and it is over the full line a little bit , but not drastically.

No one knows???

1stToyota · 02-16-2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaribhini

I would use ATLEAST a 5w oil with a timing chain. TSB interpretation or not, a timing chain configuration needs some oil weight.

Funny thing is that Toyota leaves NO room or need for an interpretation...they list the exact models and engines that can use 0w-20 and which models can use 5w-20 in their updated TSB. No where will you find 0w-20 being recommended by Toyota for the Yaris 1.5, period.

1stToyota · 02-16-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Shape

No one knows???

It's not enough to really worry about.

but 3.5 to 3.7ish is what should be in there.

The Shape · 02-16-2009, 06:51 PM

Yeah but going strictly by Toyota's recommended specs (whis I have no problem with doing I used 5W-30) I should need 4.3 quarts of oil in my Yaris instead of the 3.5-3.7 you recommend. http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/goo...007yaris_s.pdf

1stToyota · 02-16-2009, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Shape

Yeah but going strictly by Toyota's recommended specs (whis I have no problem with doing I used 5W-30) I should need 4.3 quarts of oil in my Yaris instead of the 3.5-3.7 you recommend. http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/goo...007yaris_s.pdf

I think it says more because that's actually a dry-fill, and you don't get it all out with an oil drain...some oil stays in the head, etc...even some oil stays in the pan if the drain plug isn't located on the bottom. Ever want to see how much oil stays in the engine try pulling an oil pump/oil pump housing...even the oil sending switch will be holding/blocking enough to put a big puddle of oil on the floor when removed.

TheSilkySmooth · 02-16-2009, 08:12 PM

The last updated TSB I read stated in a red box at the TOP of the page: NOTICE: 'Use the oil viscosity recommended oil on the oil filler cap or in the owners manual'. I must say its a terribly written TSB that has more loopholes than the Federal Tax LAW. The TSB .. 018 is in regards to the API SM rating. NOT a capability to use "alternate" oil weights. My owners manual ALSO recommends the use of a HEAVIER weight oil in severe operating conditions such as high speed highway - doesnt say anthing about urinating in the engine and applying vaseline(r) to your new leaky Fram filter. My engine can BARELY tolerate THE BEST synthetic thats formulated at the thin end of API 30 wt spec - never mind a piss 20 wt. But blowing your engine is a good economic stimulus for the Toyota service center. Dont Blame Me (or 1st T) for your misinterpretation of a TSB that is NOT for general readership.

Yar Is Word · 02-18-2009, 01:18 AM

From Silverglow #19 attachment

Toyota Supports ASE Certification Page 1 of 2
EG018-06
Title:
ILSAC GF-4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION
Models:
All ’06 – ’07 Toyota & Scion Technical Service BULLETIN
March 29, 2006
TSB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. EG001–06.
TSB No. EG001–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded.
Toyota Motor Corporation manufacturing plants have begun using ILSAC GF–4 engine oil. This engine oil is recommended due to its superiority in terms of fuel economy and engine protection and due to its benefits for both the customer and the environment.
ILSAC GF–4 can be used in all Toyota and Scion engines.
NOTE:
The recommended viscosity grade for this oil differs according to vehicle model. Use the recommended grade specified on the oil filler cap or in the Repair Manual or Owner’s Manual for each vehicle.
For Prius vehicles, refer to TSB No. EG050–04, “Engine Oil Specifications.”
2006 – 2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles.
OP CODE DESCRIPTION TIME OFP T1 T2
N/A Not Applicable to Warranty – – – –
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
This oil has been set as the Toyota genuine engine oil, starting in February 2006 for the U.S. This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance.
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
This oil has even better fuel efficiency and cold starting performance than 5W–20. Initial application for 0W–20 is in the 2006 model year 2AZ–FE engine and will be used in new engines to be developed.
ENGINE
Introduction
Applicable Vehicles Warranty Information Recommended Engine Oils

ILSAC GF–4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION – EG018-06 March 29, 2006
Page 2 of 2
Engines That Can Use 5W–20 and 0W–20:
OIL ENGINE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
AZ series
GR series
JZ series
MZ series
NZ series
RZ series
UZ series
VZ series
1ZZ–FE
2TR–FE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
(Beginning with 2006 MY)
2AZ–FE Camry
2AZ–FE Solara
2AZ–FE Highlander
2AZ–FE RAV4 (ACA3#)
NOTE:
DO NOT use these oils in engines other than those listed above. These low–viscosity oils cannot maintain lubrication effectiveness in engines with older designs and could result in smoke emissions from the tailpipe and/or unusual engine noise.

bdc87 · 02-18-2009, 01:28 AM

Use RP 5-20 with KN Oil Filter.

TheSilkySmooth · 02-18-2009, 08:53 AM

Rp street oil is not synthetic so why spend the money for an Sh/Sj oil when you can go out and buy John Deere tractor oil at your home center? OOOhhh its purple (at least for a day)! Recent UOA on BITOG show shearing to 20W during service of 5W-30 street oil. Now RP application specific racing oils are a diff story altogether .... Only Redline and Some Amsoils are true synthetics that are readily available; so, if youre going to pay a premium whay not get the "real" stuff - Unless your a "faker" and a "phoney".

TheSilkySmooth · 02-18-2009, 08:59 AM

Back to the TSB EG018-06: So, if your oil filler cap or manual requests 5W-20 as a recommended grade, you can use ILSCA-GF4 instead of the API SL/GF3 in the manual. I cant see any other way to interpret this TSB.

1stToyota · 02-18-2009, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yar Is Word

From Silverglow #19 attachment

Toyota Supports ASE Certification Page 1 of 2
EG018-06
Title:
ILSAC GF-4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION
Models:
All ’06 – ’07 Toyota & Scion Technical Service BULLETIN
March 29, 2006
TSB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. EG001–06.
TSB No. EG001–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded.
Toyota Motor Corporation manufacturing plants have begun using ILSAC GF–4 engine oil. This engine oil is recommended due to its superiority in terms of fuel economy and engine protection and due to its benefits for both the customer and the environment.
ILSAC GF–4 can be used in all Toyota and Scion engines.
NOTE:
The recommended viscosity grade for this oil differs according to vehicle model. Use the recommended grade specified on the oil filler cap or in the Repair Manual or Owner’s Manual for each vehicle.
For Prius vehicles, refer to TSB No. EG050–04, “Engine Oil Specifications.”
2006 – 2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles.
OP CODE DESCRIPTION TIME OFP T1 T2
N/A Not Applicable to Warranty – – – –
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
This oil has been set as the Toyota genuine engine oil, starting in February 2006 for the U.S. This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance.
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
This oil has even better fuel efficiency and cold starting performance than 5W–20. Initial application for 0W–20 is in the 2006 model year 2AZ–FE engine and will be used in new engines to be developed.
ENGINE
Introduction
Applicable Vehicles Warranty Information Recommended Engine Oils

ILSAC GF–4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION – EG018-06 March 29, 2006
Page 2 of 2
Engines That Can Use 5W–20 and 0W–20:

OIL ENGINE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20

AZ series
GR series
JZ series
MZ series
NZ series
RZ series
UZ series
VZ series
1ZZ–FE
2TR–FE

ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
(Beginning with 2006 MY)

2AZ–FE Camry
2AZ–FE Solara
2AZ–FE Highlander
2AZ–FE RAV4 (ACA3#)

NOTE:
DO NOT use these oils in engines other than those listed above. These low–viscosity oils cannot maintain lubrication effectiveness in engines with older designs and could result in smoke emissions from the tailpipe and/or unusual engine noise.

SO...Toyota says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris 1.5L NZ series engine, and Glow keeps providing that TSB link as proof the he likes to use the wrong oil in his Yaris...

Thank you.

Tamago · 02-18-2009, 12:06 PM

:facepalm:

this thread is still going?

1stToyota · 02-18-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Back to the TSB EG018-06: So, if your oil filler cap or manual requests 5W-20 as a recommended grade, you can use ILSCA-GF4 instead of the API SL/GF3 in the manual. I cant see any other way to interpret this TSB.

Yeah, my cap says 5w-30 and I don't know why I'd ever want to switch to 5w-20 eventho' the TSB says it's okay. The 5w-30 is in the owner's manual and appears to be the superior grade, at least where Pennzoil Platinum is concerned:

5w-30 (ACEA A5/B5)
5w-20 (ACEA A1/B1) ...maybe because 5w-20 has a higher "piss" content?

Red Horse · 02-18-2009, 01:55 PM

What happen if I mix 2 quarts of royal purple and 1 quart of amsoil for the next oil change ?

Tamago · 02-18-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Horse

What happen if I mix 2 quarts of royal purple and 1 quart of amsoil for the next oil change ?

that creates a gold/ruby/ivory blend.. it's generally reserved for the Suzuki Swift.

i'm not sure the lowly 1NZFE can handle the power benefits of this oil change

Red Horse · 02-18-2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

that creates a gold/ruby/ivory blend.. it's generally reserved for the Suzuki Swift.

i'm not sure the lowly 1NZFE can handle the power benefits of this oil change

LOL that means its ok to mix it cause I have 1 quart amsoil leftover from the last oil change.

02-16-2009, 08:12 PM	#44
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	The last updated TSB I read stated in a red box at the TOP of the page: NOTICE: 'Use the oil viscosity recommended oil on the oil filler cap or in the owners manual'. I must say its a terribly written TSB that has more loopholes than the Federal Tax LAW. The TSB .. 018 is in regards to the API SM rating. NOT a capability to use "alternate" oil weights. My owners manual ALSO recommends the use of a HEAVIER weight oil in severe operating conditions such as high speed highway - doesnt say anthing about urinating in the engine and applying vaseline(r) to your new leaky Fram filter. My engine can BARELY tolerate THE BEST synthetic thats formulated at the thin end of API 30 wt spec - never mind a piss 20 wt. But blowing your engine is a good economic stimulus for the Toyota service center. Dont Blame Me (or 1st T) for your misinterpretation of a TSB that is NOT for general readership. Last edited by TheSilkySmooth; 02-16-2009 at 08:35 PM. Reason: dis-inclarifictation of the factiodal fragmetations

02-18-2009, 01:28 AM	#46
bdc87 HISTORY REPEATED 11/04/08 View User's Garage Drives: 07' MM Vitz LB Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA Posts: 355	Use RP 5-20 with KN Oil Filter. __________________

02-18-2009, 08:53 AM	#47
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	Rp street oil is not synthetic so why spend the money for an Sh/Sj oil when you can go out and buy John Deere tractor oil at your home center? OOOhhh its purple (at least for a day)! Recent UOA on BITOG show shearing to 20W during service of 5W-30 street oil. Now RP application specific racing oils are a diff story altogether .... Only Redline and Some Amsoils are true synthetics that are readily available; so, if youre going to pay a premium whay not get the "real" stuff - Unless your a "faker" and a "phoney". Last edited by TheSilkySmooth; 02-18-2009 at 09:03 AM. Reason: gobbledygook

02-18-2009, 01:55 PM	#52
Red Horse View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris sedan A/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Costa mesa, California Posts: 353	What happen if I mix 2 quarts of royal purple and 1 quart of amsoil for the next oil change ? __________________

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02-16-2009, 04:54 PM	#38
Yaribhini Banned Drives: Yaris Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Posts: 20	I would use ATLEAST a 5w oil with a timing chain. TSB interpretation or not, a timing chain configuration needs some oil weight.

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The Shape Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 56	Yeah but going strictly by Toyota's recommended specs (whis I have no problem with doing I used 5W-30) I should need 4.3 quarts of oil in my Yaris instead of the 3.5-3.7 you recommend. http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/goo...007yaris_s.pdf

02-18-2009, 01:18 AM	#45
Yar Is Word Drives: Yaris 5 door liftback Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 648	From Silverglow #19 attachment Toyota Supports ASE Certification Page 1 of 2 EG018-06 Title: ILSAC GF-4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION Models: All ’06 – ’07 Toyota & Scion Technical Service BULLETIN March 29, 2006 TSB UPDATE NOTICE: The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. EG001–06. TSB No. EG001–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded. Toyota Motor Corporation manufacturing plants have begun using ILSAC GF–4 engine oil. This engine oil is recommended due to its superiority in terms of fuel economy and engine protection and due to its benefits for both the customer and the environment. ILSAC GF–4 can be used in all Toyota and Scion engines. NOTE: The recommended viscosity grade for this oil differs according to vehicle model. Use the recommended grade specified on the oil filler cap or in the Repair Manual or Owner’s Manual for each vehicle. For Prius vehicles, refer to TSB No. EG050–04, “Engine Oil Specifications.” 2006 – 2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles. OP CODE DESCRIPTION TIME OFP T1 T2 N/A Not Applicable to Warranty – – – – ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20 This oil has been set as the Toyota genuine engine oil, starting in February 2006 for the U.S. This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance. ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20 This oil has even better fuel efficiency and cold starting performance than 5W–20. Initial application for 0W–20 is in the 2006 model year 2AZ–FE engine and will be used in new engines to be developed. ENGINE Introduction Applicable Vehicles Warranty Information Recommended Engine Oils ILSAC GF–4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION – EG018-06 March 29, 2006 Page 2 of 2 Engines That Can Use 5W–20 and 0W–20: OIL ENGINE ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20 AZ series GR series JZ series MZ series NZ series RZ series UZ series VZ series 1ZZ–FE 2TR–FE ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20 (Beginning with 2006 MY) 2AZ–FE Camry 2AZ–FE Solara 2AZ–FE Highlander 2AZ–FE RAV4 (ACA3#) NOTE: DO NOT use these oils in engines other than those listed above. These low–viscosity oils cannot maintain lubrication effectiveness in engines with older designs and could result in smoke emissions from the tailpipe and/or unusual engine noise.

02-18-2009, 08:59 AM	#48
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	Back to the TSB EG018-06: So, if your oil filler cap or manual requests 5W-20 as a recommended grade, you can use ILSCA-GF4 instead of the API SL/GF3 in the manual. I cant see any other way to interpret this TSB.