5spd vs automatic - Toyota Yaris Forums

m-arco · 12-09-2006, 11:23 AM

I know rpms at hightway speeds are lower on the automatic than the 5spd.

On the yaris specs the 5spd gives 40 mpg agains 39mpg on the auto. If the auto rpms are lower on the highways....wouldn't it be more frugal ?

I've driven a yaris automatic a lot...and it is ok....engine noise is louder than my 5spd echo. What are the rpms on the yaris 5spd at let's say...

100km/h ?
120km/h?
140km/h ?

I am going to buy a yaris soon....I do mostly highway driving, I don't mind spending th extra $$ for the auto box....I just need to decide...

Thnx

acrbill · 12-09-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m-arco

I know rpms at hightway speeds are lower on the automatic than the 5spd.

On the yaris specs the 5spd gives 40 mpg agains 39mpg on the auto. If the auto rpms are lower on the highways....wouldn't it be more frugal ?

I've driven a yaris automatic a lot...and it is ok....engine noise is louder than my 5spd echo. What are the rpms on the yaris 5spd at let's say...

100km/h ?
120km/h?
140km/h ?

I am going to buy a yaris soon....I do mostly highway driving, I don't mind spending th extra $$ for the auto box....I just need to decide...

Thnx

Automatic transmission have more parasitic power loss. There is no direct connection between the engine and transmission unless the converter is locked up. Weight is also another factor.

why? · 12-09-2006, 06:23 PM

http://www.toyota.com/yaris/specs.ht...TN_YARIS_SPECS

Weight is usually some of the difference, but usually there is also different gear ratios as well.

swng · 12-09-2006, 08:16 PM

In addition, the differential ratios are different too

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Please go there and see the technical specifications:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16

The Technical Specifications List is at Post #2 of the linked page.

foober · 12-09-2006, 11:52 PM

I'd say that if you live in a high congestion area with alot of stop and go traffic you might want automatic. But if you don't then go manual.

BMGYaris · 12-10-2006, 01:51 AM

well, seeing as how this car isnt a weekend sports car and your not getting it for fast driving, it makes sense to make it as comfortable as possible. So--id say automatic,and get a fast weekend car in manual since there isnt much mpg difference

acrbill · 12-10-2006, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMGYaris

well, seeing as how this car isnt a weekend sports car and your not getting it for fast driving, it makes sense to make it as comfortable as possible. So--id say automatic,and get a fast weekend car in manual since there isnt much mpg difference

To me and a lot of people, having a manual transmission is a necessity in such a small car. It has nothing to do with initial cost,MPG or being a sports car.
It has to do with getting every bit of the 106HP and being more connected to the car.

druggist · 12-10-2006, 10:54 AM

Absolutely. That's why I got a 5-speed.

60 Somethings · 12-10-2006, 01:38 PM

The stick is just a lot more fun - keeps me awake, too.

The term automatic transmission makes me think of the gas powered cars we got to drive as kids on the Disneyland Autopia ride. You'd put your foot down to the floor and eventually they would pick up speed!

At least our brakes don't go on automatically when we lift our foot off of the gas!!!

(From someone who was there on the 3rd day Disneyland was open in 1955.)

KSIbucky · 12-10-2006, 05:15 PM

5speed more power

YarisPR · 12-11-2006, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acrbill

To me and a lot of people, having a manual transmission is a necessity in such a small car. It has nothing to do with initial cost,MPG or being a sports car.
It has to do with getting every bit of the 106HP and being more connected to the car.

X2

Typer73 · 12-11-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 60 Somethings

The term automatic transmission makes me think of the gas powered cars we got to drive as kids on the Disneyland Autopia ride. You'd put your foot down to the floor and eventually they would pick up speed!

(From someone who was there on the 3rd day it was open in '55.)

The automatics are not as sludgy as you would think. Mine has plenty of get up and go. I live in a portion of GA that has no access-control on the highway and the speed limit of 65 mph seems to be just a suggestion. My automatic has NO trouble hopping on the highway with cars going 70-80 mph WITHOUT on ramps! BTW--I also call my silver lb, Yari!

BMGYaris · 12-11-2006, 09:25 PM

yea:) anway i just have to throw it out there again, if this is your only car i can see wanting to feel attached to it. but if its for early morning and after work commutes, or city traffic, then thats time to relax and have some comfort. i say if you want to feel connected to a car get yourself a manual that does better than 0-60 in 9.5 you know? relax and drink some coffee in your comutter car, and kick ass in an older faster car:) but this is just me being bored, i'll stay off this thread from now on :P

07WYarisRS · 12-12-2006, 01:38 AM

My automatic yaris is just as quick as my Chevy Xtreme with 4.3L V6 auto was. That truck had 200 hp and 250ft.lbs of torque.
The yaris will run within' a second in the 1/4 mile of the standard.
You guys make it sound like the manual will leave the autos sitting still. at the end of the 1/4 mile there are just a few car lenghts between them.

Katana · 12-14-2006, 12:30 PM

Manual trans forever!

Tamago · 12-14-2006, 02:56 PM

if the gearing is similar to the scions (i have not yet delved into the gear and final drive ratios of the yaris) you're gonna have a very sad life at highway speeds (70-80mph).. connecting rods aren't known to be very strong in the 1nzfe

.coming from someone who knows.

mikeukrainetz · 12-14-2006, 05:32 PM

Parasitic power loss for auto/manual is different but not as bad as it used to be, 40-60hp on the old fords, chevs etc.
Ive had my fair share of compact automatics, theyre great initially but it isnt long before your tired engine and tired trans make your 85hp look like 40. Not that im saying the manual (as stated previously) makes it a perpetual rocket ship but youll get more out of your small hatch in the long run with the manual.
Longevity, full use of the 106hp and parts replacement costs were the top reasons for buying the manual. Way too much experience in 10yr old turds.

12-09-2006, 11:23 AM	#1
m-arco Drives: 2002 Echo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Quebec Posts: 3	5spd vs automatic I know rpms at hightway speeds are lower on the automatic than the 5spd. On the yaris specs the 5spd gives 40 mpg agains 39mpg on the auto. If the auto rpms are lower on the highways....wouldn't it be more frugal ? I've driven a yaris automatic a lot...and it is ok....engine noise is louder than my 5spd echo. What are the rpms on the yaris 5spd at let's say... 100km/h ? 120km/h? 140km/h ? I am going to buy a yaris soon....I do mostly highway driving, I don't mind spending th extra $$ for the auto box....I just need to decide... Thnx

12-09-2006, 06:23 PM	#3
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	http://www.toyota.com/yaris/specs.ht...TN_YARIS_SPECS Weight is usually some of the difference, but usually there is also different gear ratios as well. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

12-09-2006, 08:16 PM	#4
swng Drives: 06 3-dr auto RS Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,051	In addition, the differential ratios are different too. Please go there and see the technical specifications: http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16 The Technical Specifications List is at Post #2 of the linked page.

12-10-2006, 01:38 PM	#9
60 Somethings Old Folks View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris LB, 2006 4Runner V8 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver, USA Posts: 222	The stick is just a lot more fun - keeps me awake, too. The term automatic transmission makes me think of the gas powered cars we got to drive as kids on the Disneyland Autopia ride. You'd put your foot down to the floor and *eventually* they would pick up speed! At least our brakes don't go on automatically when we lift our foot off of the gas!!! (From someone who was there on the 3rd day Disneyland was open in 1955.) __________________ We are the proud owners YARI - He's a loaded Silver LB with ATTITUDE! Last edited by 60 Somethings; 12-14-2006 at 10:30 PM.

12-10-2006, 05:15 PM	#10
KSIbucky View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris manual dark silver Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fond du Lac, WI Posts: 694	5speed more power __________________ 7 Color Tach Fujita Intake Momo pedals Shift knob and boot. Full TRD SSK. Blitz exhaust Megan Lowering Springs (Next is DC Header)

12-09-2006, 11:52 PM	#5
foober Drives: two yaris liftbacks Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kalispell, montana Posts: 351	I'd say that if you live in a high congestion area with alot of stop and go traffic you might want automatic. But if you don't then go manual.

12-10-2006, 01:51 AM	#6
BMGYaris Drives: Yaris 3dr Hatchback Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 255	well, seeing as how this car isnt a weekend sports car and your not getting it for fast driving, it makes sense to make it as comfortable as possible. So--id say automatic,and get a fast weekend car in manual since there isnt much mpg difference

12-10-2006, 10:54 AM	#8
druggist Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 2	Absolutely. That's why I got a 5-speed.

12-11-2006, 09:25 PM	#13
BMGYaris Drives: Yaris 3dr Hatchback Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 255	yea:) anway i just have to throw it out there again, if this is your only car i can see wanting to feel attached to it. but if its for early morning and after work commutes, or city traffic, then thats time to relax and have some comfort. i say if you want to feel connected to a car get yourself a manual that does better than 0-60 in 9.5 you know? relax and drink some coffee in your comutter car, and kick ass in an older faster car:) but this is just me being bored, i'll stay off this thread from now on :P

12-12-2006, 01:38 AM	#14
07WYarisRS HardlyDangerous Drives: 09 Yaris LE, H/B, auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ridgeway Ontario Posts: 573	My automatic yaris is just as quick as my Chevy Xtreme with 4.3L V6 auto was. That truck had 200 hp and 250ft.lbs of torque. The yaris will run within' a second in the 1/4 mile of the standard. You guys make it sound like the manual will leave the autos sitting still. at the end of the 1/4 mile there are just a few car lenghts between them. __________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

12-14-2006, 12:30 PM	#15
Katana Drives: Yaris LB 1.3lt 06 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Under the hood! Posts: 1,124	Manual trans forever! __________________ It's not the ride, it's the rider!

12-14-2006, 02:56 PM	#16
Tamago Start another Oil Thread! View User's Garage Drives: ZZW30 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 4,890	if the gearing is similar to the scions (i have not yet delved into the gear and final drive ratios of the yaris) you're gonna have a very sad life at highway speeds (70-80mph).. connecting rods aren't known to be very strong in the 1nzfe .coming from someone who knows.

12-14-2006, 05:32 PM	#17
mikeukrainetz View User's Garage Drives: 2006 Toyota Yaris Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 564	Parasitic power loss for auto/manual is different but not as bad as it used to be, 40-60hp on the old fords, chevs etc. Ive had my fair share of compact automatics, theyre great initially but it isnt long before your tired engine and tired trans make your 85hp look like 40. Not that im saying the manual (as stated previously) makes it a perpetual rocket ship but youll get more out of your small hatch in the long run with the manual. Longevity, full use of the 106hp and parts replacement costs were the top reasons for buying the manual. Way too much experience in 10yr old turds. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2336679

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