Toyota sandbagging the Yaris

[jambo101]

"but when I went to the Toyota site, it's listed only at 29/36."
A quote from another forum when i suggested the Yaris for the op's search for an economical car thats not a hybrid
I'm sure every one here knows the Yaris is easily capable of +40mpg with easy driving style, how come Toyota hasnt figured it out?.
In fact its almost as if Toyota doesnt like the Yaris as i see no advertising for the Yaris lineup

[yarrr]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

[jpmck03]

Originally Posted by yarrr

...the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

I've gotten 42 mpg on a very safe trip driving to my parents place and back. It involved properly inflated tires, following the speed limit, and none of that dangerous rolling-downhill-with-the-engine-off-and-running-through-stop-signs hypermiling crap. It's very doable.

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Originally Posted by jpmck03

I've gotten 42 mpg on a very safe trip driving to my parents place and back. It involved properly inflated tires, following the speed limit, and none of that dangerous rolling-downhill-with-the-engine-off-and-running-through-stop-signs hypermiling crap. It's very doable.

bu only flat and slow. can't do that with 'ordinary average use' for epa rating

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by yarrr

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

Ummm....prolly should make sure that if you are going to make a statement like that then you back it up rather than just a one liner. There are plenty of safe habits that can easily bump you into the 40+ range if that is your cup of tea. I did it on a regular basis prior to my mods without "dangerous" habits. For example making sure that you shift before hitting the 2k RPM mark when feasible will get you over the 36MPG mark they claim. You are not over inflating your tires for example if you put them to the max of 40-42 PSI. I know with my Falken's Falken actually instructed me to inflate to that pressure for my 912's. Just sayin...

[SilverBack]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Ummm....prolly should make sure that if you are going to make a statement like that then you back it up rather than just a one liner. There are plenty of safe habits that can easily bump you into the 40+ range if that is your cup of tea. I did it on a regular basis prior to my mods without "dangerous" habits. For example making sure that you shift before hitting the 2k RPM mark when feasible will get you over the 36MPG mark they claim. You are not over inflating your tires for example if you put them to the max of 40-42 PSI. I know with my Falken's Falken actually instructed me to inflate to that pressure for my 912's. Just sayin...

Exactly. I'm running Falken 502's @ 40 PSI all around without hypermiling, and right now I'm averaging 36/38 MPG. Anyone who's claiming MPG readings close to 30 is full of shit. Sorry

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by SilverBack

Exactly. I'm running Falken 502's @ 40 PSI all around without hypermiling, and right now I'm averaging 36/38 MPG. Anyone who's claiming MPG readings close to 30 is full of shit. Sorry

I get 33 mpg. =[

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by yarrr

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

[brg88tx]

Originally Posted by yarrr

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

wrong, i do not overinflate or do any other hypermiling techniques and i got a little over 40 mpg on my last tank of about 50% city, 50% highway driving, running the a/c most of the time.

[Hershey]

Originally Posted by yarrr

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

Not so , I keep tire pressure at 34 > 36 p.s.i. and use ECO-METER to easily achieve 40+ m.p.g.. The warmer the weather the better the performance . Don't turn off car when stopped or coasting . That's getting risky ( for me ) . Have nailed 40+ many times without the assistance of the E.M.. Both are automatics . Most times include 2 people ( other 1/2 and I ) . 40+ with 3 riding on occasion . Pulse and glide . Learned that from the '07 PRIUS we had . Can be applied to YARIS or any other vehicle for improving fuel economy .

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by yarrr

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

The EPA may have that number representing the Yaris but obviously Toyota Approves of it as thats the numbers it posts on its website,
My car with no mods and 35psi in the tires gets 44 to 45mpg when cruising on the highway at 70mph and if i go 55mph that figure goes up close to 50mpg,there may be many people who are looking for a car with that kind of economy as an alternative to a hybrid but if Toyota is advertising 29/36 rather than 38/50 those people may look elsewhere.

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by jambo101

The EPA may have that number representing the Yaris but obviously Toyota Approves of it as thats the numbers it posts on its website,
My car with no mods and 35psi in the tires gets 44 to 45mpg when cruising on the highway at 70mph and if i go 55mph that figure goes up close to 50mpg,there may be many people who are looking for a car with that kind of economy as an alternative to a hybrid but if Toyota is advertising 29/36 rather than 38/50 those people may look elsewhere.

You don't seem to understand the laws. Neither Toyota or any other company are allowed to claim anything other than the government generated EPA numbers. Every car can easily beat EPA estimates but that doesn't mean the company can advertise the potential MPG.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

You don't seem to understand the laws. Neither Toyota or any other company are allowed to claim anything other than the government generated EPA numbers. Every car can easily beat EPA estimates but that doesn't mean the company can advertise the potential MPG.

true. I 'potentially' can get 348mpg rolling out my driveway and down the first hill, coast to a stop and shut off the motor. can I claim the Yaris gets 348 mpg ?


real world, it gets 36 mpg. epa estimates are pretty accurate.

[Canuck]

Bottom line is that all the cars are tested the same way. We can sit and and bitch about the testing methods, but if a car's EPA beats the Yaris, then driving that car like some of us drive our Yaris would yield even better results.

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by jambo101

The EPA may have that number representing the Yaris but obviously Toyota Approves of it as thats the numbers it posts on its website,
My car with no mods and 35psi in the tires gets 44 to 45mpg when cruising on the highway at 70mph and if i go 55mph that figure goes up close to 50mpg,there may be many people who are looking for a car with that kind of economy as an alternative to a hybrid but if Toyota is advertising 29/36 rather than 38/50 those people may look elsewhere.

That's pretty good. If I average 70 MPH, I usually get 35-36 MPG and if I'm fortunate 37 MPG. I've been able to get 39 MPG only driving 55 MPH one way and 70 MPH on the way back hitting traffic. 60 MPH usually yields 37-38 MPG for me.

There's a lot of factors that affect the MPG such as terrain, weather, A/C, driving style, tire pressure, ethanol gas, etc. The old EPA standards used to have a professional driver drive at 50 MPH on a closed circuit course. The newer EPA standards (2008) are supposed to bring more realistic results of people driving above the speed limit using A/C, etc. Easy going driving will yield results like yours and many can beat the new EPA standards.

[D Unit]

How big of a factor is the transmission (manual vs. automatic)? I also have a 2008 Scion XB and average about 28 to 29 mpg (70 highway/30 city) in my automatic, but the manual tranny guys average anywhere from 2 to 4 miles better. Is it the similar situation in the Yaris world too?

[Astroman]

Pretty much, but some automatics have gotten 40+mpg. I have an 07 auto modded, and a stock 09 manual. My modified auto gets about 36 on the highway, while the stock 09 manual gets 44.

Mods on mine are the RS front bumper, VIS vented carbon fibre hood, C-ONE replica carbon fibre spoiler, DC sports header, NST lite pulley set, AEM CAI, 17" drag dr-9 wheels with nitto neo gen tires, and a 1zz TB swap (they weigh 40lbs total each, vs. 33lbs for the stock 15" steely). *mods i've done that could affect MPG

[R2D2]

Originally Posted by D Unit

How big of a factor is the transmission (manual vs. automatic)? I also have a 2008 Scion XB and average about 28 to 29 mpg (70 highway/30 city) in my automatic, but the manual tranny guys average anywhere from 2 to 4 miles better. Is it the similar situation in the Yaris world too?

Yep-the auto is harder on FE. It's just not as efficient a means of transferringpower. The real killer in my case (especially in the winter) is the fact fourth gear is locked out until the engine gets warmed up which when extremely cold can take miles. Since most of my trips tend to be 10 miles or so, it makes quite an impact. An engine block heater helps some in this regard.

Still love the auto though!

R2