Mobil-1 5W-30 does not meet SM/SL standards? - Page 3 - Toyota Yaris Forums

TheSilkySmooth · 01-11-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

Surprise! An 'independant' study commissioned and paid for by Valvoline proves their oil is better! Wow, shocking!

Oh, another EOM stooge enters the argument, He he. You Men in Silver are everywhere. LOOK OUT! OK. Valvoline states the MOBIL 1 5W-30, available (where'd it go??) on the shelves, does not meet API SM/SL specification on samples submitted to their own lab and independent lab. NO ONE can argue this point. Now, this results from a pissing contest EOM started: Mobil said their oil was the best, Valvoline said their oil was better, Mobil said prove it, and along the way M1 was found to be deficient. Tough Cookie - take your lumps. I am a fan of NEITHER. The fist time i got improperly formulated oil it came out of a Valvioline bottle. Poured like kerosene and smelled the same.

TheSilkySmooth · 01-11-2009, 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=auxmike;216723]This stuff gives me a headache.....

My Dad gets the synth change at the Toyo dealer on the '04 Tacoma and the '06 Corolla, and I believe it IS M1. They give him a reciept so it IS warr. covered if something goes wrong....
QUOTE]Ha ha, NOPE! Dealer changes the oil, you change the oil , doesn’t matter to Toyota regional.. MOBIL is at fault and the ball would be in their court IF the oil was found to be deficient and caused the failure. And YOU are stuck in the middle, pal. Don’t be naive. Toyota won’t take the blame for it or pay the bill. Mobil1 is not a Toyota warranteed part. Call you dealer.

Altitude · 01-11-2009, 09:05 PM

EOM stooge? I don't give a crap whose oil is better. I treat most all studies with suspicion - especially those where the competition pays someone else to test the other's product. The only ones worth paying attention to are those performed by people with no skin in the game.

Money talks - that's all this is - and it's how the world works.

Companies that perform a service for a fee are far more likely to come out in favor of the servicee's desired result. Why? Because if they want to stay in business and get future business from a given company they will give positive results. It wouldn't make sense to keep paying a company that says your product is crap.

TheSilkySmooth · 01-12-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

EOM stooge? I don't give a crap whose oil is better. I treat most all studies with suspicion - especially those where the competition pays someone else to test the other's product. The only ones worth paying attention to are those performed by people with no skin in the game.

Money talks - that's all this is - and it's how the world works.

Companies that perform a service for a fee are far more likely to come out in favor of the servicee's desired result. Why? Because if they want to stay in business and get future business from a given company they will give positive results. It wouldn't make sense to keep paying a company that says your product is crap.

I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". Now, Do you believe the samples Failed this "expensive" sequence iva test or they are lying outright? I believe that the product sampled DID fail. Its a tough test. I think Ashland had the independent lab VERIFIY the result they found in their own lab. Ashland has in-house capabilities to perform a number these API/ ISLAC tests.

auxmike · 01-12-2009, 07:55 PM

"I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". "

Huh?

SilverGlow · 01-12-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Run it, have engine failure, Warranty wont cover due to oil not meeting manufacturer\'s spec, Now you have to prove to E.O.M. that their oil is bad(ha!) and caused failure, wait 3 years maybe get some money if you are lucky. In the meantime you pay $4500. for engine repair. Sure I want to use that stuff!

You continue to bolding speak lies, nonesense, and your bravado proves your ignorance.

Using EP will not cause engine failure. It has never caused engine failure. It is too bad that there are many newbies to cars that could read your BS and think it is fact. I just hope that most of the people reading your flippant sarcastic comments see past your know-it-all attitude and lack of knowledge.

And I'm not even a M1 EP user....

auxmike · 01-12-2009, 10:26 PM

I swear this must be "Grumpy in NH".
What ever happend to him?
Yeah, don't feed the trolls, boys.

1stToyota · 01-13-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverGlow

You continue to bolding speak lies, nonesense, and your bravado proves your ignorance.

Using EP will not cause engine failure. It has never caused engine failure. It is too bad that there are many newbies to cars that could read your BS and think it is fact. I just hope that most of the people reading your flippant sarcastic comments see past your know-it-all attitude and lack of knowledge.

And I'm not even a M1 EP user....

You got pretty close to speaking that same lie again. Engine failed due to an oil related issue in a late model chevy pickup that used nothing but M1, Mr know-it-all.

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverGlow

You continue to bolding speak lies, nonesense, and your bravado proves your ignorance.

Using EP will not cause engine failure. It has never caused engine failure. It is too bad that there are many newbies to cars that could read your BS and think it is fact. I just hope that most of the people reading your flippant sarcastic comments see past your know-it-all attitude and lack of knowledge.

And I'm not even a M1 EP user....

I would respond, but you are too ignorant to formulate an argument using logic. So have a Bad day

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by auxmike

"I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". "

Huh?

Hey there's nothing really bad about being a moron. Its just your geneology and upbringing - It's not your fault Mr . Mikey

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:42 PM

MODERATER:
Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

gid · 01-13-2009, 12:44 PM

someone got up and out the wrong side of their YARIS this morning .

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gid

someone got up and out the wrong side of their YARIS this morning .

Yeah, Silverglow and Auxmike - I'm not going to tolerate this kind of verbal abuse from a couple illogical dolts. How 'bout discussing the argument points instead of going on the personal attack? I guess they have no logical argument.

gid · 01-13-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Yeah, Silverglow and Auxmike - I'm not going to tolerate this kind of verbal abuse from a couple illogical dolts. How 'bout discussing the argument points instead of going on the personal attack? I guess they have no logical argument.

I was referring to you . You insulted me as well as of lately . What's up with the attacks ?

Altitude · 01-13-2009, 05:08 PM

Silky(s) - no need to get all huffy about it. Just read that article you posted carefully.. Notice anything peculiar? Hint: Marketers...

The bottom line is that someone using Mobil 1, Valvoline or any other oil and who also does regular oil changes and doesn't beat the crap out of the car will be able to drive it until the thing falls apart. Who cares if my 200K engine has slightly more wear than someone else's 200k engine. The thing has served its purpose and it's time to get a new car!

And please... like you didn't know your post would stir things up?

1stToyota · 01-13-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

Silky(s) - no need to get all huffy about it. Just read that article you posted carefully.. Notice anything peculiar? Hint: Marketers...

The bottom line is that someone using Mobil 1, Valvoline or any other oil and who also does regular oil changes and doesn't beat the crap out of the car will be able to drive it until the thing falls apart. Who cares if my 200K engine has slightly more wear than someone else's 200k engine. The thing has served its purpose and it's time to get a new car!

And please... like you didn't know your post would stir things up?

I probably should keep my nose out of it, but if you want to talk about stirring things up that'd be Silk's little fanboi Silver. Probably 70%-80% of his postings is to jump on Silk's postings with personal insults, the rest being reserved to telling Yaris owners to run 0w-20 in their cars, eventho' the Toyota TSB absolutely states that 0w-20 isn't to be used in the Yaris. That's bad and potentially very costly advice he's handing out. I don't have any problems with Silky.

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Hey there's nothing really bad about being a moron. Its just your geneology and upbringing - It's not your fault Mr . Mikey

...sticks and stones.......
BTW, I'm not a moron.
You've done quite well with no help showing everybody just what kinda chap you are.
Take it easy.....

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

MODERATER:
Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

I agree. It appears to have been taken over by name callers too.....

01-12-2009, 07:55 PM	#41
auxmike Drives: 2008 HB, A/T, Power W/L/M Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LI, New Yawk Posts: 2,063	"I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". " Huh? __________________ Never take eyes off opponent - Bruce Lee

01-12-2009, 10:26 PM	#43
auxmike Drives: 2008 HB, A/T, Power W/L/M Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LI, New Yawk Posts: 2,063	I swear this must be "Grumpy in NH". What ever happend to him? Yeah, don't feed the trolls, boys. __________________ Never take eyes off opponent - Bruce Lee

01-13-2009, 12:44 PM	#48
gid Drives: '08 Yaris sedan , '08 Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northeast Posts: 643	someone got up and out the wrong side of their YARIS this morning . Last edited by gid; 01-13-2009 at 01:01 PM.

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01-11-2009, 07:25 PM	#38
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	[QUOTE=auxmike;216723]This stuff gives me a headache..... My Dad gets the synth change at the Toyo dealer on the '04 Tacoma and the '06 Corolla, and I believe it IS M1. They give him a reciept so it IS warr. covered if something goes wrong.... QUOTE]Ha ha, NOPE! Dealer changes the oil, you change the oil , doesn’t matter to Toyota regional.. MOBIL is at fault and the ball would be in their court IF the oil was found to be deficient and caused the failure. And YOU are stuck in the middle, pal. Don’t be naive. Toyota won’t take the blame for it or pay the bill. Mobil1 is not a Toyota warranteed part. Call you dealer.

01-11-2009, 09:05 PM	#39
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	EOM stooge? I don't give a crap whose oil is better. I treat most all studies with suspicion - especially those where the competition pays someone else to test the other's product. The only ones worth paying attention to are those performed by people with no skin in the game. Money talks - that's all this is - and it's how the world works. Companies that perform a service for a fee are far more likely to come out in favor of the servicee's desired result. Why? Because if they want to stay in business and get future business from a given company they will give positive results. It wouldn't make sense to keep paying a company that says your product is crap.

01-13-2009, 12:42 PM	#47
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	MODERATER: Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

01-13-2009, 05:08 PM	#51
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	Silky(s) - no need to get all huffy about it. Just read that article you posted carefully.. Notice anything peculiar? Hint: Marketers... The bottom line is that someone using Mobil 1, Valvoline or any other oil and who also does regular oil changes and doesn't beat the crap out of the car will be able to drive it until the thing falls apart. Who cares if my 200K engine has slightly more wear than someone else's 200k engine. The thing has served its purpose and it's time to get a new car! And please... like you didn't know your post would stir things up?