Whiteline Bushing Install Questions - Toyota Yaris Forums

KTS · 03-28-2014, 10:13 PM

Good day/evening/night everyone,
I just purchased the Whiteline W53303 and I notice the hole for the bolt is off center which I assume allows for the caster correction.
Questions:
1) Does the off center hole face the front or rear of the car?
2) Are the washer/spacer installed as in the pic or inversed?
I have attached a photo of the bushings
Thanking everyone in advance

KTS · 03-29-2014, 07:46 AM

I think I just figured it out

If the offset hole is to the rear of the car it pushes the bottom of the cradle forward resulting in positive caster and if the offset hole is to the front of the car it pulls the cradle back and results in negative caster.
When installed and being professionally aligned the technician will adjust the caster accordingly.
Although the work will be done by professionals I always like to know what they are doing or have to do so I can have peace of mind.
Do correct me where necessary.

CTScott · 03-29-2014, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTS

I think I just figured it out

If the offset hole is to the rear of the car it pushes the bottom of the cradle forward resulting in positive caster and if the offset hole is to the front of the car it pulls the cradle back and results in negative caster.
When installed and being professionally aligned the technician will adjust the caster accordingly.
Although the work will be done by professionals I always like to know what they are doing or have to do so I can have peace of mind.
Do correct me where necessary.

The installation guide that I ran into for the kit is pretty worthless. You will have to post some pics once they are installed.

1.5 · 03-29-2014, 11:53 AM

ToyotaBuzz has installed these, maybe PM him he is super helpful

KTS · 03-29-2014, 07:44 PM

Yes I agree the installation guide isn't helpful. I will take pictures n post as I planning to do this Tuesday.

I will try and PM ToyotaBuzz but I don't want to be harassing anyone will he be ok with a random PM

Klick

malibuguy · 03-30-2014, 12:38 AM

I put mine diagonally from the ballpoint like the voids in the bushing

KTS · 03-31-2014, 01:26 PM

^^^ wouldn't putting them diagonal also affect the camber?

Bluevitz-rs · 03-31-2014, 02:52 PM

Actually, if you draw a triangle as in the shape of the control arm, the bushings need to either face the inside of the car or outside of the car to adjust for caster. Because what you're actually doing is pulling the rear of the controller in towards the center of the car or pushing it out.

KTS · 03-31-2014, 07:26 PM

^^ now u have me confused lol

Klick

Jason@SportsCar · 03-31-2014, 07:53 PM

The idea is to push the back end of the lower control arm towards the outside of the car, this rotates the entire arm forward, giving you additional caster.

Looking from above: depending on if the hole is towards the center of the car, or the outside, determines the location of the ball joint because it twists the entire arm. Push the ball joint forward gains caster, pull it back and you lose caster.

Bluevitz-rs · 03-31-2014, 08:13 PM

^^
Exactly

KTS · 03-31-2014, 09:53 PM

That makes a lot of sense. The cradle pivots at the front bushing and rotates accordingly. Well at lest I was on the right track

Thanks everyone for assisting.
Ill do my best to provide some pics.

KTS · 04-01-2014, 06:23 PM

Is this suppose to fit a vitz RS. Doesn't seems so to me. There is a ridge under the bushing that doesn't allow the washer to move toward the centre of the car. This prevents the top n bottom washer from lining up with the bushing centre. Any help will be appreciated.

Klick

Bluevitz-rs · 04-01-2014, 06:25 PM

What chassis code is it supposed to be for? NCP##

Sent from my iPod Touch

KTS · 04-01-2014, 06:36 PM

Ncp91 as far as I know. Also when the top washer fits into the groove of the chassis it is off center so the bolt cannot go thru it.

Klick

KTS · 04-01-2014, 06:42 PM

I don't know what to do at this point seems like a waste of bout $250usd as I doubt it can't work or be returned at this time.

Klick

KTS · 04-01-2014, 06:57 PM

Well gonna put in d old bushings tomorrow...such a waste

Klick

KTS · 04-01-2014, 08:26 PM

Vehicle 2007 Vitz RS NCP91
Pic 1 shows W53301 fits good and correct no problem
Pic 2 shows W53303 this is the bushing I am having difficulty fitting
Pic 3 and 4 shows where the washer provided need to fit however when the washers are fitted they didn't line up thus the bolt doesn't go thru them.
If I need this to work I need to Make the washer holes larger/oval and cut off the tabs that hold the washers.
Is this advisable?

03-29-2014, 11:53 AM	#4
1.5 Form>Function Drives: 07 Flint Sedan Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,018	ToyotaBuzz has installed these, maybe PM him he is super helpful __________________ Instagram: @southernstreets_phil Facebook.com/southernstreetsempire

03-30-2014, 12:38 AM	#6
malibuguy Obsessed with 1.5L Drives: '10 PW Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Westminster, MD Posts: 907	I put mine diagonally from the ballpoint like the voids in the bushing __________________ -Greg...the Exhaust Freak. -10 PW sedan 107whp/110wtq, full exhaust, suspension bits, TRD LSD -06 Highlander 3mzfe Limited AWD -82 Malibu, 1uzfe swap -97 Tercel coupe, 1nzfe/4.31 -96 Tercel coupe, Turbo 5efe, autoX -96 Tercel 4dr

03-31-2014, 07:53 PM	#10
Jason@SportsCar Drives: 2015 H Production Yaris Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Debary, FL Posts: 1,953	The idea is to push the back end of the lower control arm towards the outside of the car, this rotates the entire arm forward, giving you additional caster. Looking from above: depending on if the hole is towards the center of the car, or the outside, determines the location of the ball joint because it twists the entire arm. Push the ball joint forward gains caster, pull it back and you lose caster. __________________ 2005-2008 SCCA Solo BS National Champion 2017-2018 SCCA H Prod National Champion Last edited by Jason@SportsCar; 03-31-2014 at 08:06 PM.

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03-29-2014, 07:46 AM	#2
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	I think I just figured it out If the offset hole is to the rear of the car it pushes the bottom of the cradle forward resulting in positive caster and if the offset hole is to the front of the car it pulls the cradle back and results in negative caster. When installed and being professionally aligned the technician will adjust the caster accordingly. Although the work will be done by professionals I always like to know what they are doing or have to do so I can have peace of mind. Do correct me where necessary.

03-29-2014, 07:44 PM	#5
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	Yes I agree the installation guide isn't helpful. I will take pictures n post as I planning to do this Tuesday. I will try and PM ToyotaBuzz but I don't want to be harassing anyone will he be ok with a random PM Klick

03-31-2014, 01:26 PM	#7
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	^^^ wouldn't putting them diagonal also affect the camber?

03-31-2014, 02:52 PM	#8
Bluevitz-rs 1NZ-6spd View User's Garage Drives: '05 6-Spd Vitz RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,967	Actually, if you draw a triangle as in the shape of the control arm, the bushings need to either face the inside of the car or outside of the car to adjust for caster. Because what you're actually doing is pulling the rear of the controller in towards the center of the car or pushing it out.

03-31-2014, 07:26 PM	#9
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	^^ now u have me confused lol Klick

03-31-2014, 08:13 PM	#11
Bluevitz-rs 1NZ-6spd View User's Garage Drives: '05 6-Spd Vitz RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,967	^^ Exactly

03-31-2014, 09:53 PM	#12
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	That makes a lot of sense. The cradle pivots at the front bushing and rotates accordingly. Well at lest I was on the right track Thanks everyone for assisting. Ill do my best to provide some pics.

04-01-2014, 06:23 PM	#13
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	Is this suppose to fit a vitz RS. Doesn't seems so to me. There is a ridge under the bushing that doesn't allow the washer to move toward the centre of the car. This prevents the top n bottom washer from lining up with the bushing centre. Any help will be appreciated. Klick

04-01-2014, 06:25 PM	#14
Bluevitz-rs 1NZ-6spd View User's Garage Drives: '05 6-Spd Vitz RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,967	What chassis code is it supposed to be for? NCP## Sent from my iPod Touch

04-01-2014, 06:36 PM	#15
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	Ncp91 as far as I know. Also when the top washer fits into the groove of the chassis it is off center so the bolt cannot go thru it. Klick

04-01-2014, 06:42 PM	#16
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	I don't know what to do at this point seems like a waste of bout $250usd as I doubt it can't work or be returned at this time. Klick

04-01-2014, 06:57 PM	#17
KTS Drives: Vitz RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 272	Well gonna put in d old bushings tomorrow...such a waste Klick