Motor Oil and filters

[slvryaris]

I am running Royal Purple 5W-30 and Wix filter in mine. Seems to be doing real well and runs alot smoother and quieter.

[Shroomster]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

-the Bro


Papa

Please for the love of god get separate screen names

[linny]

I use mobile 1 synthetic 0w20 oil in my yaris since my first oil change. I live near the coldest city in North America and my yaris seems to be quite happy with the thin oil at start up. This morning it was -32 F when I turned the key and it came right to life..
After switching to this grade oil I noticed a 3mpg increase in gas mileage.
Now, if I could only get some good heat in the cabin..

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by Tamago

most dealers pump oil out of a common 500 gallon tank.. they use recycled oil, whatever the local petroleum supply sells..

it's crap oil..

but seriously, a 30 to 20 weight change on the high end of viscosity is NOT GOING TO SPIN A BEARING. there has to be another factor that caused the damage.

Why not? This is operating end of spec, And the viscosity is much less. SAE 30 is ~ 65% more viscous than SAE 20. 5.6 vs 9.3 cSt MIN. That bearing wont run out of hydrodynamic range too long before it gets hammerd egg shape at the top center of the top bearing shell, rod big end. Then you have Clack clack clack. Easily predictable failure - ignoramus EPA pushing AUtomakers to show higher CAFE numbers, Stupid managers making stupid decisions. Lucky toyota with the 60K engine warranty. I'll trade car at dealer that ruined it. I'll run 60W race oil to get it there.

- bro

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by Shroomster

Please for the love of god get separate screen names

Got it, schroom, the Fam is getting silly. Sis is kicked off because the site is "too technical" with not enough Trance and Disco discussions .... and .... she didn't get any marriage offers. Maybe if she would shave ANYWHERE once in a while she might have some luck

[Chupacabra]

There is no way in hell you spun a bearing due to the change from 5-30 to 5-20. Try putting some oil in the car.....

[gid]

geesh ... talk about being to the point ...

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

And regardless of what that Toyota TSB actually says?

It clearly states that 5w-20 is fine to use now, but the note at the top of the TSB says to stick with what's listed in the service manuals, owner's manual and oil cap, which happens to be 5w-30.

Looks like the dealer drew his own conclusions about what's best, just like you did when you started using and recommending Yaris owners to use 0w-20 because of UOAs for non-Yaris motors, and because the TSB said 0w-20 was okay to use in a Corolla, Scion XD, etc...but if I can read between the lines I'm guessing that you drained out the 0w-20 and took the dealer's advice about the 5w-20.

Nope, I'm still running 0w-20 because I know that at operational temps 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection. And the UOA's I've seen are for Yaris SPECIFICLY.

I have the TSB in front of me and it says that the Yaris engine can use the 20 weight. So where is the confusion? Where is the ambiguity?

It's very, very clear. If you have a Yaris, you can use 20 weight safely, and Toyota is behind what I wrote.

And if you look at the AMSOIL site (and Mobil1 too), you too will see that their 0w-20 can be used in ANY MOTOR that is spec'd for 5w-20. Safely.

So is your beloved AMSOIL wrong? Not!

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Our Camry engine is dead now from dealer using the 5W-20 ONCE on a tsb. My Spouse did not "hear" the engine disintegrating and I didin't find out until I went for a trip to her friends house. I said to her, " ... your engine has spun a rod beaing - get it to the dealer right away!", But Now she is 4000 miles OVER the warranty and we are S>O>L and money and good car.

So all you 20-weight proponents can stick it in your ear. This engine ran good on the 5W30 oil I was putting in. Dealer wrecked it. I will Trade for Nissan Rogue or sinilar, and Silver"worm"glow can buy my spouses destroyed trade-in because the oil is perfect. Moronic Nonsense!

Papa

There are MILLIONS of Camry and other Toyota vehicles running 20 weight right now. MILLIONS. And those MILLIONS have no engine problems.

MMMMIIIIILLLLLLLLIIIIOOONNNSSSSS. All over the nation.

I would suggest an adult night school course in statistics for you. It seems you need to educate yourself.

[gid]

the day I see 5w-20 stamped on the oil cap of an YARIS is when I'll consider using a 20 weight . Has to be same engine as the '07 > '09s .

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by gid

the day I see 5w-20 stamped on the oil cap of an YARIS is when I'll consider using a 20 weight . Has to be same engine as the '07 > '09s .

Then use 0w-30 and be happy.

[gid]

nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .

[nsmitchell]

Originally Posted by gid

nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .

Ummm... 0W-30 is a replacement oil for 5W-30 and 10W-30. All are 30 weight oils.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...el_Economy.asp

http://www.synthetic-oil-tech.com/d....weight_oil.htm

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by gid

geesh ... talk about being to the point ...

I apologize for the acuteness of the post but let's be real. I mean, that was/ is a blatant lie. There is a much, much highter liklihood that the oil pan was dry and he spun a bearing than he did from using 20wt. I hate when people blatantly lie like that and try to whip up everybody in a frenzy.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

Nope, I'm still running 0w-20 because I know that at operational temps 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection. And the UOA's I've seen are for Yaris SPECIFICLY.

Then quit quoting the Toyota TSB and acting like you know something if you're going to continue using a viscosity that the TSB says is NOT to be used in the Yaris 1NZ-FE motor.

I have the TSB in front of me and it says that the Yaris engine can use the 20 weight. So where is the confusion? Where is the ambiguity?

It doesn't say to use straight 20 weight, it doesn't say to use 0w-20, it says 5w-20

It's very, very clear. If you have a Yaris, you can use 20 weight safely, and Toyota is behind what I wrote.

Absolutely false...it never, never says that 0w-20 is to be used, you're confusing the 0w-20 being okay for a Corolla and the XD, etc... and 5w-20 being okay for the Yaris.

And if you look at the AMSOIL site (and Mobil1 too), you too will see that their 0w-20 can be used in ANY MOTOR that is spec'd for 5w-20. Safely.

But that contradicts the guidelines of Toyota's TSB, and that's what Toyota will go by, what their TSB states, not AMSOIL's override.

So is your beloved AMSOIL wrong? Not!

Check my sig. Not using AMSOIL anymore because to get API approval ACEA A1/B1 is what I get, with no API approval I can get A5/B5, but if I ever have any warranty issues I want an oil that is API approved....and better than A1/B1 for my own reasons.

And they are wrong when their statements clash with Toyota's TSB guidelines, and still have to wonder why you're soooo worried about 0w-20 when you live in southern Ca that wouldn't know what a real winter was.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by gid

nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .

And iirc, not stated on the Toyota TSB either. SilverGlow likes to juggle those TSB viscosity numbers, and the Scion XD and Yaris motors to his own liking and start handing out those recommendations, even though what he says won't be found anywhere on Toyota's TSB. Bad and dangerous, and ignorant advice, if you ask me.

[Chupacabra]

I am not going to say that I am right or wrong but I can't see any reason WHY somebody would want to run the 0-20. I mean, clearly the 5-30 is the best all around choice and I could even see 5-20 for some I guess but I am confused as to why somebody wants to run the 0wt.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

I am not going to say that I am right or wrong but I can't see any reason WHY somebody would want to run the 0-20. I mean, clearly the 5-30 is the best all around choice and I could even see 5-20 for some I guess but I am confused as to why somebody wants to run the 0wt.

I can see it, if they live in Fargo or the Yukon, and want to run it when the climate starts getting cooler, can't see it tho' for a guy that lives in an area that never sees a white winter and needs a TSB in hand that can't ever seem to backup his own 0w-20 for a Yaris statements.