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Old 01-15-2017, 04:41 AM   #1
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Kia and Hyundai.

What the heck is going on with these two?

They have upped their game in a few years.

Now what is all this talk about stinger rwd sedan and 130 N AWD monster. What is it they can't do? they have surprised people.Hope KIA changes that badge though.

I am becoming a fan. Toyota, Honda, and Mazda better lift their game up.

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Old 01-15-2017, 04:55 AM   #2
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I own a KIA Sportage and driven a hyundai ILOAD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89s4jin9qw8

Hyundai ILOAD. Now this Van has impressed me on how it drives. It's like a car not a van.It also has potential to turn into a camper van. I have driven a HIACE and that thing felt like a truck compared to the ILOAD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myCaBLGVH_8


KIA sportage. This car didn't really impress me initially but after owning the 2 liter diesel for a year.This car grows on you it is easy to drive. Comfortable, smooth has enough pick on the highway. Very reliable it's just does the job with no complaints.It does everything good.

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Old 01-15-2017, 09:27 AM   #3
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Too many black circles in CR RELIABILITY RATINGS FOr me to consider buying one of them.

No matter how good they drive.
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Old 01-15-2017, 02:08 PM   #4
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I see how the are constructed in the body shops, yuck. don't their engines fall apart at 80,000 miles? yuck.
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Old 01-15-2017, 05:38 PM   #5
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I see how the are constructed in the body shops, yuck. don't their engines fall apart at 80,000 miles? yuck.

Yuck? how come. My sportage got into a collision and guess who came off second best. Not my car, hers..These things are built solid as fark..the only thing that go damaged was the radiator and air con unit.
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Old 01-16-2017, 05:24 PM   #6
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Hyundai and Kia are undeniably world-class auto makers nowadays. I've driven everything from a Kia Rio to a Hyundai Genesis, and they're great. It's a company that knows where its going and has really learned how to build good cars and appeal to the right markets. Good on them.
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:52 PM   #7
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Hyundai and Kia are undeniably world-class auto makers nowadays. I've driven everything from a Kia Rio to a Hyundai Genesis, and they're great. It's a company that knows where its going and has really learned how to build good cars and appeal to the right markets. Good on them.
Just don't get a flat tire in one...This world class company doesn't think you will ever need a spare tire. Also, better check your actual gas mileage in an older one...yea, they overstated their performance there a few years back....and got busted....world class.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:37 PM   #8
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Just don't get a flat tire in one...This world class company doesn't think you will ever need a spare tire. Also, better check your actual gas mileage in an older one...yea, they overstated their performance there a few years back....and got busted....world class.
There are plenty of manufacturers offering cars without spare tires. BMW, Subaru, Mercedes, Chevrolet, Toyota (some Prius models don't have a spare) and the list goes on and on. Fact of the matter is, most people call AAA or road-side assistance these days. Do you know how many people don't even know how to change a tire? (Apparently, 60% of people are not confident in the ability to change at tire).

Yeah, Hyundai and Kia weren't measuring up to fuel economy standards. No manufacturer is immune to issues. Ever Googled "Toyota Sludge?"

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Consumers saddled with sludge-clogged Toyota engines may soon get some help from the Japanese auto giant under the terms of a class-action lawsuit settlement that covers roughly 3.5 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles damaged by engine oil sludge.
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Just sayin'.
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Old 01-22-2017, 11:22 PM   #9
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There are plenty of manufacturers offering cars without spare tires. BMW, Subaru, Mercedes, Chevrolet, Toyota (some Prius models don't have a spare) and the list goes on and on. Fact of the matter is, most people call AAA or road-side assistance these days. Do you know how many people don't even know how to change a tire? (Apparently, 60% of people are not confident in the ability to change at tire).


Are those cars parts of current lineups (regarding no spare tire) ? Just curious as I thought every daily driver modern car had a spare and basic tire changing equipment. Although I could see a Smart no having one due to the very small space available.

They should make tire change part of the practical driving exam when you get your license.

Last I checked, all the Huyndai at the dealership had a nice spare tire under the rear cargo deck with a jack, jack handle, billy club and tow hook.

Maybe it's part of our Canadian federal laws for manufacturers to include such equipment (like the mandatory km/h speedometer, DRL, etc). All the cars I've been into (pretty much most common models of all makes) had spare tires.




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Old 01-22-2017, 11:35 PM   #10
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Maybe it's part of our Canadian federal laws for manufacturers to include such equipment (like the mandatory km/h speedometer, DRL, etc).

No, it is not mandatory Canadian law. Lots of makes/models are now sold here with only a tire inflation kit provided.


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Just don't get a flat tire in one...This world class company doesn't think you will ever need a spare tire.
I cannot believe that statement was actually made. Talk about speaking without knowing a shred of fact.
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Old 01-23-2017, 05:24 AM   #12
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I cannot believe that statement was actually made. Talk about speaking without knowing a shred of fact.
I have Koreamobile. Spare tire does not exist. It has big styrofoam piece in the trunk where spare tire should go. Hyundai will be happy to sell me a spare tire kit for the low cost of almost $300 though...
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I cannot believe that statement was actually made. Talk about speaking without knowing a shred of fact.
So you come on here and slam me for stating they have no spare tire. When I open my daughters trunk...no spare tire. That is a fact. In my mind, that is not world class. Also, bringing up other manufacturers that have also lowered their standards on a kia thread does not make the kia all of a sudden a better car. My daughter lives 5 hours away and had her car a year before I found out she was without a spare. Do you think I should have gotten on here and expressed how impressed I was? Yea, I looked in that empty trunk and the first thing that came to my mind was...world class. Sorry I bothered you.
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:37 AM   #14
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As nice as they look these days, they've never passed my ol' kick the tires and test drive tests. The way the doors sound and feel when they actuate, how they feel on the road, etc.

For me, they're still leagues behind manufacturers like Honda and Toyota. I'd say it's all in my head, but the reliability reports Bronsin referenced and the regular use of that 100k mile warranty seem to confirm my bias.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:36 PM   #15
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Id say theyre World Class like Ford, Dodge, and Mitsubishi are World Class.

Theres NO WAY any of those guys are getting my money!

Im reading in CR that the Honda Fit is only average in reliability.

That ones off my list too.

And if Toyota drops to average, I ll drop kick them too!
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:14 PM   #16
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Well, I guess it depends on how much faith you have in CR. I have very little. :)

The bottom line is that Kia and Hyundai are doing something very right and people are taking notice.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:44 PM   #17
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...people are taking notice.
No denying that. Sales have been happening.

I keep looking out for a post from scratchpaddy (or was it dodge aries?) about their experience with an Elantra. As anecdotal as it may be, it didn't sound like it went well and I know there's been interest in the Elantra GT from others on the forum.
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The Aries guy is the one who got an Elantra due to the Takata airbag thing. I don't think he had problems with it, he just doesn't like it near as much as the Yaris.

From what I've seen and experienced, Kia and Hyundai interiors feel kind of cheap and don't hold up near as well as Toyota interiors, but they're not too bad mechanically and are generally easy to maintain. And man, they are CHEAP on the used market. A Toyota or a Honda might have a few less issues down the road, but that Kia costs half as much. I would not buy one new, but they can give you big bang for the buck used.

Consumer Reports (JD Power, too) only look at cars 3 years old or less. They think Audi has excellent reliability. The average car on the road is 11 years old. I don't think their findings have much relevance in the real world.
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