|
04-04-2012, 12:42 AM | #1 |
Drives: 09 Meteoric Metallic 3 door HB Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Atlanta Georgia
Posts: 419
|
200 NA horses?
Hey guys,
I would like to eventually get around 200 horses out of the 1NZ in my Yaris, but if possible I would like to do it naturally aspirated. I know it will be more expensive then a turbo/supercharge, but to me there's something about a N/A engine that I really love, and as far as I know nobody has made a 200 HP N/A Yaris yet, and I like to do things differently then everyone else. So i'm wondering how and/or if it would be possible to do so with the 1NZ-FE, I know a little about cars but not enough as most of you so i'm wondering how you people might think that could be possible. Thanks! |
04-04-2012, 02:02 AM | #2 |
ULTIMATE
Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007
Location: Canoga Park, CA
Posts: 14,859
|
high compression motor build, ITB's, standalone management, extensive head work, custom exhaust, a few other little expensive tricks and you could get close. Maybe all the way to 200.
__________________
Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific. |
04-04-2012, 02:14 AM | #3 |
Mr. 155 and climbing
Drives: Seriously Modded 07 Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In The Hotbox
Posts: 4,742
|
There is a certain individual out there that swears his company is working on a 1nz that will be NA and put out 225, but so far it hasn't come to fruition AFAIK. I say go for it! Like my moto says, Dream Big, do Bigger! I personally would be stoked to see it. Too many folks out there think that our 1.5 doesn't have the DNA to be strong and I am thinkin with the progress made they are sadly mistaken.
__________________
Team Tiamat Racing on Facebook Youtube Channel: Team Tiamat Racing Class record holder in Land Speed @ 154.5mph for 1.5 mile and 145.5mph in the mile in the F (2.016 to 3.014 L), G (1.524 to 2.015 L), and H (1.016 to 1.523 L) classes. |
04-04-2012, 11:10 AM | #4 |
Form>Function
Drives: 07 Flint Sedan Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 4,018
|
possible but it will be a massive and expensive build.
|
04-04-2012, 11:37 AM | #5 | |
Mr. 155 and climbing
Drives: Seriously Modded 07 Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In The Hotbox
Posts: 4,742
|
Quote:
That would be a very valid point. The next question I would have is the OP looking to essentially have a larger displacement or is that a concern. For my purposes for example I cannot change the displacement otherwise it will put me into a different class and I will get my ass handed to me by other 1.6-1.8l motored cars. Not that most folks are looking to race these, but it can be a concern depending upon the situation.
__________________
Team Tiamat Racing on Facebook Youtube Channel: Team Tiamat Racing Class record holder in Land Speed @ 154.5mph for 1.5 mile and 145.5mph in the mile in the F (2.016 to 3.014 L), G (1.524 to 2.015 L), and H (1.016 to 1.523 L) classes. |
|
04-04-2012, 12:52 PM | #6 |
ULTIMATE
Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007
Location: Canoga Park, CA
Posts: 14,859
|
If someone went to the trouble to build this and DIDN'T race it, it would be a tragedy.
Dyno queens =
__________________
Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific. |
04-04-2012, 01:07 PM | #7 |
daily driver
|
I doubt 200whp n/a is possible from a 1nzfe
__________________
|
04-04-2012, 01:16 PM | #8 | |
Drives: 2015 H Production Yaris Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Debary, FL
Posts: 1,953
|
Quote:
Honestly, if you want 200hp all motor, just do a swap. You could pick up the 2ZZ and 6spd for less than you will have into the 1NZ head. Those will hit 200hp with little work.
__________________
2005-2008 SCCA Solo BS National Champion 2017-2018 SCCA H Prod National Champion |
|
04-04-2012, 01:24 PM | #9 |
ULTIMATE
Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007
Location: Canoga Park, CA
Posts: 14,859
|
150-160 with n/a throttle response would be awfully fun to drive, my question is where the 200 came from? Just a nice round number to shoot for?
How about a built supercharged 1NZ? - easier and more reliable with many of the same benefits of an n/a project.
__________________
Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific. |
04-04-2012, 01:28 PM | #10 |
ULTIMATE
Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007
Location: Canoga Park, CA
Posts: 14,859
|
I believe it can be done as well. Of course you can build for a desired number. The question is whether the OP would also be looking for reliability, longevity or any other considerations in attempting this project. More information is better, right?
So it's post #13 now -- maybe Black Griffon can share his thoughts about the discussion so far.
__________________
Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific. |
04-04-2012, 01:34 PM | #11 | |
Drives: 2015 H Production Yaris Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Debary, FL
Posts: 1,953
|
Quote:
Good luck.
__________________
2005-2008 SCCA Solo BS National Champion 2017-2018 SCCA H Prod National Champion |
|
04-04-2012, 02:06 PM | #12 | |
Only Happy When it Rains
|
Quote:
__________________
Colin Chapman disciple |
|
04-04-2012, 06:40 PM | #13 |
Drives: Scion xA Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 449
|
I don't think a stroker kit would be wise, considering the stroke is already long on our motors. Plus you are going to want to rev it high, and with a stroker motor that is defeating the purpose. It will be better to get some custom high compression pistons, and rods.... Then focus on the head. Larger valves with some radical cams, and focus on making the power up top. Shoot for a 9k Redline. All you have to do, is look up what the all motor drag cars are doing... Hondas forums wouldn't be a bad idea to get
ideas.
__________________
Ptuning.com |
04-04-2012, 08:04 PM | #14 | |
Drives: 2005 Toyota Echo Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brampton, ON
Posts: 505
|
Quote:
It will have a long, low power curve, like an RX8, unlikely to be friendly below 2k, but will be fun. There's no doubt in my mind that it could be done, but whether or not it's worth it is a personal judgement. If I wanted big power I would swap motors, no questions asked.
__________________
2006 Saturn Ion Redline 2005 Toyota Echo RS 4dr hatch - Cyl #3 bad - sold 2000 Toyota Echo 2dr coupe - The track car - rusty & scrapped |
|
04-04-2012, 09:50 PM | #15 |
Drives: Scion xA Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 449
|
Yes, many people don't realize that under racing conditions you will never see low rpm anyhow.... When you shift into the next gear you are already at what, 4500 rpm or so? With a raised rev limiter that number raises as well odviously. Horsepower is what gets you down the track quicker, torque is just the onset of horsepower.
__________________
Ptuning.com |
04-05-2012, 12:05 AM | #16 |
Drives: 2005 Toyota Echo Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brampton, ON
Posts: 505
|
A more accurate way of saying it ;) and yes, we're agreeing to the same point.
__________________
2006 Saturn Ion Redline 2005 Toyota Echo RS 4dr hatch - Cyl #3 bad - sold 2000 Toyota Echo 2dr coupe - The track car - rusty & scrapped |
04-05-2012, 08:18 AM | #17 |
Drives: Scion xA Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 449
|
Yes lol. There is a point to where it hurts, I have been to that point with an over sized turbo. I think the best power bands are the ones which hold a flat torque curve all the way to Redline, such as the f20 s2k motor and the 370z.
__________________
Ptuning.com |
04-05-2012, 06:37 PM | #18 | |
Drives: Scion xA Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 449
|
Quote:
You have to realize that our 1nz fe has the same stroke as a k20 already using main caps which are not part of a girdle plus the caps are half the size. Our motors are already "stroker" motors, the bore to stroke ratio is already silly. I build motors, and have done stroker motors.... A stroker kit is really only beneficial for a motor which is already efficient, the 1nzfe is not. If you put longer rods, that extra load on the crank ( from inreased rod movement, more leverage per say) will for sure crack the main caps if you try to rev it past 6300rpm... I for see this happening. 1nzfe is no F1 motor. The motor is nothing but a pump to move air, stroking is one way to move more air but is not a good idea on our motor. The other way to move more air.... Spin that pump faster! Plain and simple. You want to make the 1nzfe more to the specs of a f1 or Hayabusa motor, produce air volume through efficiency with higher compression and high lift cams... Then rev it out.
__________________
Ptuning.com Last edited by Blown_xa; 04-05-2012 at 06:58 PM. |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Driven 2012 200 miles | mr9865 | Third Gen Yaris General Discussion | 8 | 12-20-2011 12:03 AM |
200 Unopened Hotwheel cars from early 2001-03? | kustom play | Items for Sale by private party | 0 | 07-18-2009 10:58 PM |
Video for Over 200 Km for my Yaris sedan 1.3L | fezba | Photo-Video-Media Gallery | 11 | 06-27-2007 01:27 AM |
tires for 200? | nqd | Off-topic / Other Cars / Everything else Discussions | 2 | 06-18-2007 04:21 PM |