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praivo · 11-09-2018, 03:36 PM

I'll add one thing that isn't directly related to the car (or any Yaris for that matter) but is related to the kind of repairs I'm doing here.

After I bought the car and found how badly I screwed up, my dad pretty much just called be a f****g i***t and said that I'd p****d him off and that if *he* were buying anything like that he'd bring someone else with him (which I didn't, regretting it afterwards).

Fast forward to last Wednesday. He calls and says that he found a tiny camper trailer for sale that he wants to buy on Friday, and that he wants me to go with him (it's about 120 km/~75 miles away). I'm like, "You've got to be kidding me, right? You got mad at me for impulse buying a 42k CZK/$1800 car, and now you want to impulse buy a 36k CZK/$1600 trailer?" but he insists. OK, I'll go (because if I didn't and he bought a POS it would have been my fault for not going with him)...

We get there and while he's with the seller looking at the inside and at a cracked window, I'm lying under the thing checking out the frame and the fiberglass shell. It doesn't take long for me to notice paint flaking off the frame with rust underneath it and a large hole in the shell above the left wheel (which has the tire mounted backwards, by the way).

I point this out to the two, saying that I definitely wouldn't buy this for that price. The seller acts like he's never seen the hole before, and dad insists that it's not a big problem because it's fiberglass (yeah, it is, but it's quite thick and that's not exactly a pinhole) and that he wants to buy it anyway, for the full price!

I'm now starting to get angry, as the guy who gave me s**t for buying the Yaris alone and not checking it carefully enough now wants to buy a vehicle in a similar condition for a similar price despite making me go there and tell him repeatedly how badly he's about to screw up. I keep finding other sketchy s**t (more holes, more cracks in windows, suspicious rust on the frame, tires as old as the trailer itself (*1982), one of the lights not working probably due to a broken cable...), yet he's still determined to buy it. I'm starting to see myself finishing the Yaris just to spend another few months on this.

Well, this is our front yard a few hours later:

If that weren't enough, the trailer is now missing both wheels after what the seller said was one wheel bearing starting to go bad turned out to be BOTH bearings bad, with the right wheel having a huge amount of play in the hub due to a bent axle.

These are only available in Poland and cost 85 PLN ($22) a piece. But buying them wouldn't really help - I doubt that the hub bearings (which are available here, 220 CZK ($10) per side) are intact. And neither of us has a press to replace them anyway (although do I plan on building one eventually).

It would be mechanically possible to replace the whole torsion axle assembly, but:

1. The trailer uses wheels from a Fiat 126p (which it's supposed to be used with, hence the name). These are 4.5×12" ET who-knows-what, 4×98 bolt pattern with a 56.1-mm center bore, using 145/70/12 tires. New axles with 4×100 hubs are fairly common and cost around 3000 CZK ($130), but they tend to use a larger center bore (58 mm). That would mean new wheels - which aren't available in the size required and the ones that are (770 CZK/$30 each) would be offset too much. This could be solved by using a wider axle assembly, choosing very carefully in order not to change the track width.

2. It would also change the construction of the trailer and make it technically illegal on public roads.

I'll be surprised if the frame turns out NOT to have rust holes in it.

On top of all that, he now gets angry at me whenever I even suggest that he's bought just as big a lemon as I did. I did admit that I'd made a big mistake, he refuses to, saying that he can sell the trailer for more than be bought it for whenever he wants to. He can't be that delusional, can he?

And that's not all. The car dad wants to tow this with is his 2006 Škoda Fabia Combi 1.2 HTP 47 kW/64 HP. The trailer has a maximum allowed weight of 450 kg (100 lbs), so it normally wouldn't be a problem (after all, those Fiats did it with less than half the power) - but the HTP engine is known for overheating oil (to up to 150 °C at high loads) and the timing chain on this particular one already rattles like crazy at idle and low speeds even though the car has only done 144k km (<90k miles), which he hasn't done anything about yet, because buying a shitty trailer is somehow more important than keeping the car running. And no, with that attitude I will NOT let him use my other Yaris for that.

11-09-2018, 03:36 PM	#27
praivo Drives: 2000 SCP10, 2001 NCP13 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: CZ Posts: 54	A somewhat off-topic, single-post rant: Dad bought a lemon... I'll add one thing that isn't directly related to the car (or any Yaris for that matter) but is related to the kind of repairs I'm doing here. After I bought the car and found how badly I screwed up, my dad pretty much just called be a f**g it and said that I'd p**d him off and that if he* were buying anything like that he'd bring someone else with him (which I didn't, regretting it afterwards). Fast forward to last Wednesday. He calls and says that he found a tiny camper trailer for sale that he wants to buy on Friday, and that he wants me to go with him (it's about 120 km/~75 miles away). I'm like, "You've got to be kidding me, right? You got mad at me for impulse buying a 42k CZK/$1800 car, and now you want to impulse buy a 36k CZK/$1600 trailer?" but he insists. OK, I'll go (because if I didn't and he bought a POS it would have been my fault for not going with him)... We get there and while he's with the seller looking at the inside and at a cracked window, I'm lying under the thing checking out the frame and the fiberglass shell. It doesn't take long for me to notice paint flaking off the frame with rust underneath it and a large hole in the shell above the left wheel (which has the tire mounted backwards, by the way). I point this out to the two, saying that I definitely wouldn't buy this for that price. The seller acts like he's never seen the hole before, and dad insists that it's not a big problem because it's fiberglass (yeah, it is, but it's quite thick and that's not exactly a pinhole) and that he wants to buy it anyway, for the full price! I'm now starting to get angry, as the guy who gave me st for buying the Yaris alone and not checking it carefully enough now wants to buy a vehicle in a similar condition for a similar price despite making me go there and tell him repeatedly how badly he's about to screw up. I keep finding other sketchy st (more holes, more cracks in windows, suspicious rust on the frame, tires as old as the trailer itself (*1982), one of the lights not working probably due to a broken cable...), yet he's still determined to buy it. I'm starting to see myself finishing the Yaris just to spend another few months on this. Well, this is our front yard a few hours later: If that weren't enough, the trailer is now missing both wheels after what the seller said was one wheel bearing starting to go bad turned out to be BOTH bearings bad, with the right wheel having a huge amount of play in the hub due to a bent axle. These are only available in Poland and cost 85 PLN ($22) a piece. But buying them wouldn't really help - I doubt that the hub bearings (which are available here, 220 CZK ($10) per side) are intact. And neither of us has a press to replace them anyway (although do I plan on building one eventually). It would be mechanically possible to replace the whole torsion axle assembly, but: 1. The trailer uses wheels from a Fiat 126p (which it's supposed to be used with, hence the name). These are 4.5×12" ET who-knows-what, 4×98 bolt pattern with a 56.1-mm center bore, using 145/70/12 tires. New axles with 4×100 hubs are fairly common and cost around 3000 CZK ($130), but they tend to use a larger center bore (58 mm). That would mean new wheels - which aren't available in the size required and the ones that are (770 CZK/$30 each) would be offset too much. This could be solved by using a wider axle assembly, choosing very carefully in order not to change the track width. 2. It would also change the construction of the trailer and make it technically illegal on public roads. I'll be surprised if the frame turns out NOT to have rust holes in it. On top of all that, he now gets angry at me whenever I even suggest that he's bought just as big a lemon as I did. I did admit that I'd made a big mistake, he refuses to, saying that he can sell the trailer for more than be bought it for whenever he wants to. He can't be that delusional, can he? And that's not all. The car dad wants to tow this with is his 2006 Škoda Fabia Combi 1.2 HTP 47 kW/64 HP. The trailer has a maximum allowed weight of 450 kg (100 lbs), so it normally wouldn't be a problem (after all, those Fiats did it with less than half the power) - but the HTP engine is known for overheating oil (to up to 150 °C at high loads) and the timing chain on this particular one already rattles like crazy at idle and low speeds even though the car has only done 144k km (<90k miles), which he hasn't done anything about yet, because buying a shitty trailer is somehow more important than keeping the car running. And no, with that attitude I will NOT let him use my other Yaris for that.