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Old 01-10-2013, 03:41 PM   #1
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When to go from 1st to 2nd to 3rd and so...

Hi,

I own a Yaris 2012 Sedan with 5 speed manual transmission. Mine is in kmph (not mph) because I'm from South America. This is my first car and never before drove anything except my bike

I actually have my driver's license and I'm already driving my Yaris but I still find it a little hard to get used to the manual speed. When I was on the driver's school I was instructed on both manual and automatic cars and I have to say that I was in love with automatic cars but since those are $1,000 than the manual version and eat more gas, I bought a manual. So far I have to say that I'm a little disappointed about the comfort (I live in a traffic-intense city) but since it has been only one week driving my car I still hope to get used to the manual speed

Since I know that 1kilometer=0.62miles it's ok to me if you reply with values in mph (I'll do the conversions at my end). I have heard that it's not about mph when you have to shift from 1st to 2nd and so but it's all about RPMs however since we all have Yaris I believe that we can safely speak about mphs because I guess that all our cars have similar RPMs at each speed (since all are Yaris) or at least all the Yaris 2012 should be, if I'm wrong please let me know.

Well now please tell me what are the best moments to go from:

1st -> 2nd = XX mph
2nd -> 3rd = XX mph
3rd -> 4th = XX mph
4th -> 5th = XX mph

And also the reverse:

5th -> 4th = YY mph
4th -> 3rd = YY mph
3rd -> 2nd = YY mph
2nd -> 1st = YY mph

If you have some spare time and can tell me more about the RPMs and how should I use that indicator to use my manual speed I'll really appreciate your help.

Finally the Toyota guy told that since it's a new car I should not drive it at more than XX kmh until I reach 1,000km. Issue here is that I don't remember what speed limit he told me How it was in your case? What was your mph speed limit until you reach a certain amount of milles on your new Yaris?

Thank you!
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Old 01-10-2013, 03:51 PM   #2
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Shifting at XX kph is irrelevant. It's all about load on the engine.

For casual, every day driving, shifting would occur between 2,500 and 3,500 RPM, regardless of gear. You'll soon learn to recognize optimal shifting points by the sound of the engine, and how the car responds when you've released the clutch.
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:50 PM   #3
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I shift about 2500 rpm and it seems to work for me.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:28 PM   #4
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Your driving instructor should refund you. During training these questions should have been resolved. In any case, get to know your car. Drive it, take your time and you will soon learn how/when to shift. Forums won't teach you this.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:20 PM   #5
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Your driving instructor should refund you. During training these questions should have been resolved. In any case, get to know your car. Drive it, take your time and you will soon learn how/when to shift. Forums won't teach you this.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:23 PM   #6
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Shifting at XX kph is irrelevant. It's all about load on the engine.

For casual, every day driving, shifting would occur between 2,500 and 3,500 RPM, regardless of gear. You'll soon learn to recognize optimal shifting points by the sound of the engine, and how the car responds when you've released the clutch.
^^^^^ and this
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:29 PM   #7
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I shift about 2500 rpm and it seems to work for me.
I would guess I shift at about that point (I don't have a tach, but have had one in most other cars I've owned). I try to shift at the lowest rpm point I can without 'bogging' because......I'm thrifty .
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:18 PM   #8
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You can also shift by sound, especially if your car doesn't have a tachometer. Here is a video for reference.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:29 PM   #9
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You can also shift by sound, especially if your car doesn't have a tachometer. Here is a video for reference.
That's what I've done in other low horsepower, small engined, no tach cars I've had where I've had to 'work the gearbox' to get the most out of the torque curve to keep the car from 'getting in its own way'. I've never felt that way re my Yaris.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:09 AM   #10
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I have the 2012 Yaris 5MT and I shift just before I get to 2,000 RPMs. I've done this in all of my other MT cars, and it seems to work well.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:54 PM   #11
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Well, the yaris isn't exactly responsive from low end, first to second gear isn't smooth.This is why you find it

a bit harsh. I hear the mazda 2 and 3 have smooth and precise shift due to a much suave and sexier gear box.

To answer the question maybe around 2500 grand to 3000 rpm should be enough. But you can't keep looking at the rpm.You

will know with experience when to change. Gracias Amigo!
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:24 PM   #12
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The MAZDA 2 has silky smooth shifting and clutch . Best encountered for now . A synthetic GL-4 75w-90 gear oil such as REDLINE MT-90 ( http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-lube-75w-90/ ) or AMSOIL MTG (http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-lube-75w-90/ ) will help the shifting immensely . Maybe the 2 uses a synthetic gear oil , the last generation Pontiac VIBE did ( Corolla , Matrix , XD too ? ) . That was second to the 2 . The KIA Soul had the worse shifting .

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Old 01-11-2013, 03:06 PM   #13
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I have the 2012 Yaris 5MT and I shift just before I get to 2,000 RPMs. I've done this in all of my other MT cars, and it seems to work well.
A newbie would probably stall out at 2K. Shifting that low comes with experience which, as we've stated, will come as he learns the car.
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The MAZDA 2 has silky smooth shifting and clutch . Best encountered for now . A synthetic GL-4 75w-90 gear oil such as REDLINE MT-90 ( http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-lube-75w-90/ ) or AMSOIL MTG (http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-lube-75w-90/ ) will help the shifting immensely . Maybe the 2 uses a synthetic gear oil , the last generation Pontiac VIBE did ( Corolla , Matrix , XD too ? ) . That was second to the 2 . THe KIA Soul had the worse shifting .
The Mazda 2 is great, it just doesn't quite cut it (IMO) re real world combined MPG from the numbers I've gleaned from owner posts on other sites.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:37 AM   #15
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from owner's manual ;
—1219 m (4000 ft.) or lower
gear km/h (mph)
1 to 2 or 2 to 1 24 (15)
2 to 3 or 3 to 2 40 (25)
3 to 4 or 4 to 3 64 (40)
4 to 5 / 5 to 4 72/64 (45/40)
High altitude
—Higher than 1219 m (4000 ft.)
Upshifting
gear km/h (mph)
1 to 2 24 (15)
2 to 3 64 (40)
3 to 4 75 (47)
4 to 5 87 (54)
Downshifting
gear km/h (mph)
2 to 1 24 (15)
3 to 2 40 (25)
4 to 3 64 (40)
5 to 4 64 (40)
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:36 AM   #16
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The Mazda 2 is great, it just doesn't quite cut it (IMO) re real world combined MPG from the numbers I've gleaned from owner posts on other sites.
Should be able to milk 40 out of it on occasion . Do like the design .
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A newbie would probably stall out at 2K. Shifting that low comes with experience which, as we've stated, will come as he learns the car.
What do you mean by "stall out?"
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What do you mean by "stall out?"
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