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Old 03-15-2006, 04:36 PM   #1
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A 9/11 video everyone should watch

whether it's crazy talk or not, you owe it to yourselves to be informed about an event that shapes the world we live in today (even if you don't live in the US).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change
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Old 03-15-2006, 07:35 PM   #2
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Anyone that really believes that has some serious psychological problems.

Those "facts" are so scattered as to be a joke. not to mention the WTC was first targeted by the terrorists in 1993.
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Old 03-16-2006, 12:23 AM   #3
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how do you explain the smaller explosions and the WTC towers imploding on themselves after burning for 15 mins? that's what strikes me the most about the video
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:19 AM   #4
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You saw how much debris was spouted around. 100+ story towers THAT large would throw massive amounts of debris. Have you ever been inside either of the towers? Each story was at least an acre, prolly more. The debris that was thrown was not all small pieces, but massive gurders and other large metal pieces were also thrown about as if they were nothing.

Again, to even think that anyone would do something like that to his own country shows some very scary psychological issues.
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Old 03-16-2006, 02:35 PM   #5
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to accept everything at face value and not even consider something from another point a view is even my scarey ;)
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Old 03-16-2006, 04:04 PM   #6
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Master , Where do u live? Inside or outside the USA?

As an outsider, it seems to me that most people within USA are too patriotic to believe anything else --- theres SO MUCH that doesnt match up it's not funny. The biggest thing that still makes no sense is the 'Plane' that flew into the Pentagon, caused a hole and a fire, but didnt knock out any of the major strutre poles etc..... and the engine that was on teh scene was nowhere near as big as the plane that was said to have crashed!
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:49 PM   #7
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We have been discussing this since the attack. Since it is now 2006, that is about 5 or so years.

I've heard all the so called "facts." I've seen all of the "proof."

Unless and until someone has concrete proof that there was a major conspiracy theory, it is simply such a major leap as to be ludicrous.

Not only that, but to really believe the President of the USA has not only the desire but the guts to murder his own people is simply insane.

Because he would know that IF it was a conspiracy, which is doutbful, and IF he was ever found out, not only would he and all the conspirators be convicted and executed for treason, but they would also bring down there entire political party, and they would prolly send the country into civil war.
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Old 03-17-2006, 02:31 AM   #8
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A conspiracy theory is not that far fetch.
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Old 03-17-2006, 02:58 AM   #9
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i live in the US (San Francisco) so i may be more liberal than most americans.

why?: like a quote on the simpsons: "who will police the police." people do such things to achieve something they believe is greater than the costs of their actions. think of it as collateral damage.

to me it seems like the facts are there and it shows that there are no real "facts" involving the events of 9/11. there's lingering questions that can be answered so easily by the government. i bet they would put these theories to rest if they just realease the video surveillance of the pentagon being hit by an actual plane, then most of us nut jobs will shut the fuck up ;)

so far your only answer to things is that this is too crazy to be done by our own government. yea where's the facts in that?
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Old 03-17-2006, 09:07 AM   #10
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Oh give me a break. It was RUSH HOUR in DC when the plane hit. Hundreds of people report seeing the plane strike the pentagon.

Did you know the Pentagon is only 100 feet or so from a MAJOR Highway?

I know people who SAW the plane fly low and strike the pentagon.

The government ignores ideas like yours because even most of the looney left acknowledges how far out they are.
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:58 PM   #11
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i found this old thread and i had to rejuvenate it,

i've seen both of the loose change videos, and the second one is way better than the first. it is more objective by far, and they got rid of a lot of the far-out things like missiles fired from the planes and what-not.
while it doesn't really prove anything, there is as much evidence (if not more) to support a government conspiracy rather than a foreign-terrorist conspiracy.

but if the media reinforces the idea continually, people inevitably will believe it.
the media has not asked any of the important questions concerning 9/11, and has basically let the u.s. government off the hook concerning the farce of an investigation it conducted, then the farce of a commission that was held.

as far as accounts of what hit the pentagon, there are many eye witnesses who say varying things; from a large plane, to a small plane, to a missile. you have to imagine that these witnesses would probably have had only a fraction of a second to "witness" whatever it was that hit the pentagon.
one thing is virtually obvious, it wasn't a large plane.
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Old 04-06-2006, 07:38 PM   #12
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Nothing is obvious.

Most of the witnessess were on their morning commute, during rush hour, so there were a lot of witnessess, as a major highway passes within 100 or so yards of the Pentagon.

The government conspiracy theory is just so far out there with absolutely no concrete proof.
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Nothing is obvious.

Most of the witnessess were on their morning commute, during rush hour, so there were a lot of witnessess, as a major highway passes within 100 or so yards of the Pentagon.

The government conspiracy theory is just so far out there with absolutely no concrete proof.
What is worse? Someone who blindly believes everything his/her Government tells them, or someone who questions what they are being told?

Just remember that in order to go anywhere being a politician, you are required to lie and cheat your way ahead of your competition. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs to take a step out of their dreamworld and face reality.

And now that I'm on the subject of lying and cheating - I would like to point out what you said about your President. You say "to really believe the President of the USA has not only the desire but the guts to murder his own people is simply insane". Yet, money talks. Let's say September 11th never actually happened. The US economy was on a crash course, to put it simple enough. Jobs weren't being created fast enough, and the tech sector was falling behind from the dot-com bust. Then, the unthinkable happened. Terrorist attacks, which ultimately lead to a war against 'terrorism'. This war ended up creating billions of dollars for the US. How? Military contracts, consultants, etc. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself (IE: Search Google for economic figures for the year 1999 - 2005, Military budget, Military defense contracting after September 11th, etc.)

In the end, I suppose, it's up to everyone to make their own decisions on whether or not they believe whatever happened. Just take what the Government feeds you with a grain of salt. Remember that all they want is money and power, and sometimes they have to kill a few people to get it, unfortunately.

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Old 04-16-2006, 06:07 PM   #14
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Another Canadian liberal. What else needs to be said?

Oh yea, you don't have a clue, like most canadians who try to talk about US politics.

First off, don't assume I believe everything or like everything anyone in MY- remember, I'm the US citizen-not you, government. If you believe the only way to get ahead in politics is to lie and cheat then you've obviously, oh wait, your from Canada, of course you've never tried to run for office in the USA. The canadian government might be a bunch of liberal pansy liars, but that doesnt mean all governments are.

About our economy, just like most canadians, you don't have a clue. The attacks on Sept 11 was the main cause of the mini depression. Without them their might have been no depression at all.

Remember, you're canadian. This is my country, not yours. And anyone who believes an elected leader would choose to kill the people who elected them needs to be in an insane asylum.
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oh well, being liberal is not so bad why?,
it usually means that you are laid back and not scared of the boogie-man.

studies have shown that whiny, insecure children usually grow up to be conservative.
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Another Canadian liberal. What else needs to be said?

Oh yea, you don't have a clue, like most canadians who try to talk about US politics.

First off, don't assume I believe everything or like everything anyone in MY- remember, I'm the US citizen-not you, government. If you believe the only way to get ahead in politics is to lie and cheat then you've obviously, oh wait, your from Canada, of course you've never tried to run for office in the USA. The canadian government might be a bunch of liberal pansy liars, but that doesnt mean all governments are.

About our economy, just like most canadians, you don't have a clue. The attacks on Sept 11 was the main cause of the mini depression. Without them their might have been no depression at all.

Remember, you're canadian. This is my country, not yours. And anyone who believes an elected leader would choose to kill the people who elected them needs to be in an insane asylum.
I'm a Canadian that knows a lot about the American culture and way of life. Sometimes when you don't live somewhere, you get to know more about the country than if you were actually a resident there. Don't be so quick to judge.

Pansy liberal? Just because your country is a socialist republic whose democracy is scarcely reminiscent to that of Stalin back in the USSR doesn't give you the right to bash liberals. As far as I'm concerned, the liberal way of thinking is the lesser of the other evils when it comes to political parties. See, the Government shouldn't be about the state, it should be about the people who live in the state. In the US, it would seem that it is the opposite.

But I guess I'm just a 'pansy liberal' who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

And in any case - arguing about politics online is the worst possible place to do it. Get me in an auditorium any day and I'll eat your heart out.
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Old 04-16-2006, 08:21 PM   #17
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again why.... i don't think you've seen the film

do yourself a favor and watch it before you make judgements.

i take the time to watch the news everyday and hear what kind of crap they're feeding us about how we need "homeland security" and the patriot act.

it's not about sides. it's just about being informed. we all ultimately want the same thing
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Another Canadian liberal. What else needs to be said?

Oh yea, you don't have a clue, like most canadians who try to talk about US politics.

First off, don't assume I believe everything or like everything anyone in MY- remember, I'm the US citizen-not you, government. If you believe the only way to get ahead in politics is to lie and cheat then you've obviously, oh wait, your from Canada, of course you've never tried to run for office in the USA. The canadian government might be a bunch of liberal pansy liars, but that doesnt mean all governments are.

About our economy, just like most canadians, you don't have a clue. The attacks on Sept 11 was the main cause of the mini depression. Without them their might have been no depression at all.

Remember, you're canadian. This is my country, not yours. And anyone who believes an elected leader would choose to kill the people who elected them needs to be in an insane asylum.
Hey, be nice. Not all Canadians are stupid, or "don't have a clue". Let's keep the politics to another site.
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