MT-90 in the cold - Toyota Yaris Forums

Ryan042 · 04-25-2014, 08:34 PM

Hey guys, I noticed in the winter time my transmission was really hard to shift with MT-90 oil into first gear. Even right now there's definitely some resistance shifting into the first gear. Does anyone else have this issue, and/or have a different oil recommendation that would help? I am using the under hood short shifter kit without the bracket, but even before it was brutal to move in the winter.

GrayYaris · 04-25-2014, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan042

Hey guys, I noticed in the winter time my transmission was really hard to shift with MT-90 oil into first gear. Even right now there's definitely some resistance shifting into the first gear. Does anyone else have this issue, and/or have a different oil recommendation that would help? I am using the under hood short shifter kit without the bracket, but even before it was brutal to move in the winter.

Yes, sometimes I have to double clutch in the winter to get into first. For some stupid reason I thought the car would shift better with mt-90 in the cold but it was worse. I think I will be changing it before next winter. To be fair this winter was insane in upstate ny. Once the temps were 20-30 degrees, I still had plenty of resistance pushing into first but it was much easier shifting than in the sub zero temps I experience for most of the winter.

Edit: just to clarify I'm using the fahrenheit system

B2FiNiTY · 04-25-2014, 10:55 PM

I've had the same experience with MT90 in colder weather. Takes longer to warm up.

MUSKOKA800 · 04-28-2014, 03:45 PM

Isn't 75-90 the Toyota Specification?
I have both the under-hood and in-cabin shift kits installed and have absolutely no shifting issues running 75-90 Synthetic.
Shifts are crisp and clean.

IllusionX · 04-28-2014, 04:02 PM

I am using AMSoil 75w90 synthetic, and no issues.
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...?code=MTGQT-EA

I always have some resistance when shifting in 1st on a rolling stop, but it's never an issue when i'm stand still, although shifter might seem stiffer under extreme cole (10 to 0F)

Ryan042 · 04-28-2014, 08:16 PM

MT-90 is 75w90 synthetic GL-4, it shifted great before the winter. The -40C weather must have killed it.

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=46

I may look at AMSoil, does anyone have any other suggestions? I was going to look and see what Motul has.

BobTheYaris · 04-28-2014, 08:40 PM

I've been using Royal Purple for years and it did seem harder to shift this winter. Never had an issue before or with other cars. Switched to Valvoline Synthetic because of cost when I did my clutch recently, hafta see how it goes.

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BobTheYaris · 04-28-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IllusionX

I am using AMSoil 75w90 synthetic, and no issues.
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...?code=MTGQT-EA

I always have some resistance when shifting in 1st on a rolling stop, but it's never an issue when i'm stand still, although shifter might seem stiffer under extreme cole (10 to 0F)

The resistance while coming to stop is from Toyota being cheap and not putting a synchro between 1st and 2nd. Took me a few months to unlearn that habit.

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Ryan042 · 04-29-2014, 12:12 AM

Could my resistance be from a master or slave cylinder gone bad? It seems to be pretty notchy. Is there a way to test the cylinders? I was looking at motul and found one that looks pretty good but is GL-4/GL-5 does anyone know if this will work?

https://www.motul.com/ca/en-US/produ...%5Brange%5D=25

GrayYaris · 04-29-2014, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan042

MT-90 is 75w90 synthetic GL-4, it shifted great before the winter. The -40C weather must have killed it.

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=46

I may look at AMSoil, does anyone have any other suggestions? I was going to look and see what Motul has.

Weird now that it's warmer I haven't experienced any problems.

why? · 04-29-2014, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheYaris

The resistance while coming to stop is from Toyota being cheap and not putting a synchro between 1st and 2nd. Took me a few months to unlearn that habit.

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No it isn't. First gear is not designed to be shifted into anywhere above 10 miles an hour. It is geared to be almost useless outside of starting. There might not be a syncro there, but that doesn't matter, the gear is almost useless.

Ryan042 · 04-29-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GrayYaris

Weird now that it's warmer I haven't experienced any problems.

It's not as bad as during the winter but there's more resistance there. It was silky smooth before the winter.

IllusionX · 04-29-2014, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by why?

No it isn't. First gear is not designed to be shifted into anywhere above 10 miles an hour. It is geared to be almost useless outside of starting. There might not be a syncro there, but that doesn't matter, the gear is almost useless.

can't agree more with that. But, i've also found that when the engine is still cold, it could be hard to shift in 1st, since the idle is over 1000rpm!

Bluevitz-rs · 04-29-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheYaris

The resistance while coming to stop is from Toyota being cheap and not putting a synchro between 1st and 2nd. Took me a few months to unlearn that habit.

There is most definitely a synchronizer between 1st and 2nd gear. You wouldn't be able to move the lever into first while moving at all without girding the piss out of the gears otherwise without rev matching the input shaft to the output shaft.

A synchronizer is like a brake that acts between each gear. As you apply pressure to it, it slows/speeds-up the input shaft to the same speed as the output shaft to allow the gears to mesh. Some gear oils are too slippery and thick for the synchronizer to grab the input shaft and spin it up to speed, and that's what makes it difficult to shift into first while moving.

If you put it into neutral, let the clutch out and blip the throttle, then quickly put the clutch back in and shift to first, you help the syncro out by manually speed up the input shaft with the engine.

Ryan042 · 04-30-2014, 07:05 AM

I'm gonna try switching over to Amsoil MTG eventually, I'll let you guys know if it helps.

JDMeg · 05-03-2014, 04:13 PM

I put mt-90 in my hatchback over the winter. Had a lot of -20 days. I found it just slightly harder to shift into first the first couple of shifts, but it felt normal by the time the cool light went off. Stock transmission fluid did the same thing. Made my shifts way smoother feeling overall, and cleaned up a lot of an ongoing issue I have downshifting into second gear.

04-25-2014, 08:34 PM	#1
Ryan042 Drives: 2006 Yaris RS Hatchback Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 13	MT-90 in the cold Hey guys, I noticed in the winter time my transmission was really hard to shift with MT-90 oil into first gear. Even right now there's definitely some resistance shifting into the first gear. Does anyone else have this issue, and/or have a different oil recommendation that would help? I am using the under hood short shifter kit without the bracket, but even before it was brutal to move in the winter.

04-28-2014, 03:45 PM	#4
MUSKOKA800 Drives: '08 Yaris Sedan, Aero Package Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,720	Isn't 75-90 the Toyota Specification? I have both the under-hood and in-cabin shift kits installed and have absolutely no shifting issues running 75-90 Synthetic. Shifts are crisp and clean. __________________ TRD Upgrades: 18" Wheels wrapped in 215/35/18 PZero's, Sportivo Shocks/Struts, Lowering Springs, Swaybar, Axle-Back Exhaust, Oil Cap, Rad Cap, Signage. Aftermarket Goodies: Piggies SS, K&N Drop-In, Blitz S/C, DC Header, NST Pulley) Toyota Options/Accessories: Sport Pedal Covers, Sport Shift Knob, Ipod Interface, Summer Mats, Winter Mats, Cruise Control, Auto-Dim Mirror, Echo steelies with winter boots.

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B2FiNiTY Drives: Prius C Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: US Posts: 240	I've had the same experience with MT90 in colder weather. Takes longer to warm up.

04-28-2014, 04:02 PM	#5
IllusionX It's the illusion you see View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Aero Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brossard, QC Posts: 3,888	I am using AMSoil 75w90 synthetic, and no issues. http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...?code=MTGQT-EA I always have some resistance when shifting in 1st on a rolling stop, but it's never an issue when i'm stand still, although shifter might seem stiffer under extreme cole (10 to 0F)

04-28-2014, 08:16 PM	#6
Ryan042 Drives: 2006 Yaris RS Hatchback Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 13	MT-90 is 75w90 synthetic GL-4, it shifted great before the winter. The -40C weather must have killed it. http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=46 I may look at AMSoil, does anyone have any other suggestions? I was going to look and see what Motul has.

04-28-2014, 08:40 PM	#7
BobTheYaris View User's Garage Drives: '08 Yaris HB 2 dr Join Date: May 2013 Location: United States Posts: 102	I've been using Royal Purple for years and it did seem harder to shift this winter. Never had an issue before or with other cars. Switched to Valvoline Synthetic because of cost when I did my clutch recently, hafta see how it goes. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk

04-29-2014, 12:12 AM	#9
Ryan042 Drives: 2006 Yaris RS Hatchback Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 13	Could my resistance be from a master or slave cylinder gone bad? It seems to be pretty notchy. Is there a way to test the cylinders? I was looking at motul and found one that looks pretty good but is GL-4/GL-5 does anyone know if this will work? https://www.motul.com/ca/en-US/produ...%5Brange%5D=25

04-30-2014, 07:05 AM	#15
Ryan042 Drives: 2006 Yaris RS Hatchback Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 13	I'm gonna try switching over to Amsoil MTG eventually, I'll let you guys know if it helps.

05-03-2014, 04:13 PM	#16
JDMeg Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: May 2013 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 3	I put mt-90 in my hatchback over the winter. Had a lot of -20 days. I found it just slightly harder to shift into first the first couple of shifts, but it felt normal by the time the cool light went off. Stock transmission fluid did the same thing. Made my shifts way smoother feeling overall, and cleaned up a lot of an ongoing issue I have downshifting into second gear.