Intercooler for non-turbo? - Toyota Yaris Forums

TOLMACH · 03-04-2013, 03:49 AM

Need opinions on adding the intercooler for non-turbo car.

Smth like below
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALUMINUM-BAR...fb4fb5&vxp=mtr

Technically, the project is pretty straightforward: I already have a TRD cai which goes under the fender, extending the tubes to the radiator and placing the filter further under the opposite fender is not difficult.

Any potential gains? Cons?

Thx

yarisugi · 03-04-2013, 09:29 AM

lol. no gains.
It's the same thing as extending the piping to the center and placing the filter in the center instead of under the fender.
Cons? Extra baggage that you don't need. Longer air travel. Looks ghey when you open up your hood and don't see a turbo.

why? · 03-05-2013, 09:42 PM

zero upside, and it can only make the air warmer, which will reduce hp.

Yoda · 03-05-2013, 10:04 PM

better off getting the turbo encabulator

cali yaris · 03-06-2013, 09:43 AM

Intercooler with a turbo makes sense because boost is created by hot exhaust gas, and because the air is compressed. Boost from a supercharger also compresses the air; compressed air gets heated up. I don't see much point in a "normal" n/a application.

BEEF · 03-06-2013, 10:12 AM

I have seen extreme guys use an air/water intercooler and actually put ice in the intercooler (with a turbo) to decrease temps even further though I agree that gains would be minimal and probably not even noticeable.

bebeelo · 03-07-2013, 12:15 PM

what he said ^

why? · 03-07-2013, 06:39 PM

on a drag strip with track temps hitting 100 degrees, ice everywhere will help.

yaris2010RS · 03-07-2013, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOLMACH

Need opinions on adding the intercooler for non-turbo car.

Smth like below
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALUMINUM-BAR...fb4fb5&vxp=mtr

Technically, the project is pretty straightforward: I already have a TRD cai which goes under the fender, extending the tubes to the radiator and placing the filter further under the opposite fender is not difficult.

Any potential gains? Cons?

Thx

I would have to disagree with everyone in this thread.

I do believe I am the only one who has actually installed an IC on a non-boosted yaris. although i did not dyno it the ButtDyno did notice a difference.

Also with my OBD2 scanner, I was noticing IAT lower then with just my intake.

Also i noticed possibly due to the longer intake/bigger filtered air volume the car seemed more peppy.

keep in mind i am not claiming HUGE hp gains, but definatly noticed a difference. And it looks dang cool

Bluevitz-rs · 03-08-2013, 01:07 PM

How can the intake air be any colder than ambient temps? A proper COLD AIR INTAKE is drawing in air at ambient temps, so adding an intercooler will only add restriction REDUCING hp.

tooter · 03-08-2013, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluevitz-rs

How can the intake air be any colder than ambient temps? A proper COLD AIR INTAKE is drawing in air at ambient temps, so adding an intercooler will only add restriction REDUCING hp.

I think intake air should be routed through the air conditioner.

TOLMACH · 03-08-2013, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluevitz-rs

How can the intake air be any colder than ambient temps? A proper COLD AIR INTAKE is drawing in air at ambient temps, so adding an intercooler will only add restriction REDUCING hp.

The problem is that there is no proper air intake on the market that would draw air at ambient temperature.. to achieve this air would have to be drawn from in front of the radiator

BEEF · 03-08-2013, 04:19 PM

I know my SRI air temps usually run about 5 degrees hotter than ambient (as per my ultragauge) so I don't think you will really see much of an improvement with that small of a difference. think of driving on a cool summer day vs a warm summer day.

TOLMACH · 03-08-2013, 04:44 PM

5 degrees difference sounds negligible

thanks

I guess I need to find the way to measure temperature near the air filter (I use TRD intake) as compare it to the ambient temps myself

7:34pm · 03-08-2013, 06:24 PM

I don't think in my 10+ years of browsing car forums that I've come across such a topic... wow

BEEF · 03-08-2013, 08:38 PM

If your car has the outside temp gauge and you have a scangauge/ultragauge it is really easy to compare the two.

I will admit, it is a very strange topic. we do try to squeeze every bit out of these cars. I think it is good to think outside the box from time to time. sometimes you find something new, sometimes you don't.

yarisugi · 03-08-2013, 09:31 PM

Reminds of the motorcycle rider who bought a can of NOS from 7-Eleven and poured it in his gas tank.

cali yaris · 03-08-2013, 10:22 PM

Quote:

I do believe I am the only one who has actually installed an IC on a non-boosted yaris. although i did not dyno it the ButtDyno did notice a difference.

Got pics?

03-04-2013, 03:49 AM	#1
TOLMACH Drives: soarer Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 954	Intercooler for non-turbo? Need opinions on adding the intercooler for non-turbo car. Smth like below http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALUMINUM-BAR...fb4fb5&vxp=mtr Technically, the project is pretty straightforward: I already have a TRD cai which goes under the fender, extending the tubes to the radiator and placing the filter further under the opposite fender is not difficult. Any potential gains? Cons? Thx

03-05-2013, 09:42 PM	#3
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	zero upside, and it can only make the air warmer, which will reduce hp. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

03-06-2013, 09:43 AM	#5
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	Intercooler with a turbo makes sense because boost is created by hot exhaust gas, and because the air is compressed. Boost from a supercharger also compresses the air; compressed air gets heated up. I don't see much point in a "normal" n/a application. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under microimage seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific. Last edited by cali yaris; 03-06-2013 at 11:14 AM.*

03-06-2013, 10:12 AM	#6
BEEF View User's Garage Drives: 2008 yaris 3d Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: north carolina Posts: 732	I have seen extreme guys use an air/water intercooler and actually put ice in the intercooler (with a turbo) to decrease temps even further though I agree that gains would be minimal and probably not even noticeable. __________________ Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi-

03-07-2013, 12:15 PM	#7
bebeelo ThatYarisGuy View User's Garage Drives: Toyota Yaris 2012 SE Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 126	what he said ^ __________________

03-04-2013, 09:29 AM	#2
yarisugi やりすぎだ～ View User's Garage Drives: Me: Nuts: Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ハワイ Posts: 2,041	lol. no gains. It's the same thing as extending the piping to the center and placing the filter in the center instead of under the fender. Cons? Extra baggage that you don't need. Longer air travel. Looks ghey when you open up your hood and don't see a turbo.

03-05-2013, 10:04 PM	#4
Yoda Drives: 2008 Black Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: FL Posts: 966	better off getting the turbo encabulator

03-07-2013, 06:39 PM	#8
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	on a drag strip with track temps hitting 100 degrees, ice everywhere will help. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

03-08-2013, 01:07 PM	#10
Bluevitz-rs 1NZ-6spd View User's Garage Drives: '05 6-Spd Vitz RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,967	How can the intake air be any colder than ambient temps? A proper COLD AIR INTAKE is drawing in air at ambient temps, so adding an intercooler will only add restriction REDUCING hp.

03-08-2013, 04:19 PM	#13
BEEF View User's Garage Drives: 2008 yaris 3d Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: north carolina Posts: 732	I know my SRI air temps usually run about 5 degrees hotter than ambient (as per my ultragauge) so I don't think you will really see much of an improvement with that small of a difference. think of driving on a cool summer day vs a warm summer day. __________________ Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi-

03-08-2013, 04:44 PM	#14
TOLMACH Drives: soarer Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 954	5 degrees difference sounds negligible thanks I guess I need to find the way to measure temperature near the air filter (I use TRD intake) as compare it to the ambient temps myself

03-08-2013, 06:24 PM	#15
7:34pm Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: British Columbia Posts: 132	I don't think in my 10+ years of browsing car forums that I've come across such a topic... wow

03-08-2013, 08:38 PM	#16
BEEF View User's Garage Drives: 2008 yaris 3d Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: north carolina Posts: 732	If your car has the outside temp gauge and you have a scangauge/ultragauge it is really easy to compare the two. I will admit, it is a very strange topic. we do try to squeeze every bit out of these cars. I think it is good to think outside the box from time to time. sometimes you find something new, sometimes you don't. __________________ Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi-

03-08-2013, 09:31 PM	#17
yarisugi やりすぎだ～ View User's Garage Drives: Me: Nuts: Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ハワイ Posts: 2,041	Reminds of the motorcycle rider who bought a can of NOS from 7-Eleven and poured it in his gas tank.

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