Smoking Ban? Drinking Ban!

[p123456789]

Maybe they should invent some sort of douche bag screening device at the entrances of bars and sporting events to tell If your going to act like an a hole before you even enter.
I went to my first baseball game and I was stuck next to the bad drinker guy who though it was funny to yell names at the players he didnt like it got super old. I am so glad they killed smoking though its so gross to sit down at a table to see a nasty ash try full of butts makes me throw up. It doesn't matter what it is there will always be the one guy to screw it up for the rest of us.

[chrisj]

^ I agree!

[JumpmanYaris]

Originally Posted by p123456789

Maybe they should invent some sort of douche bag screening device at the entrances of bars and sporting events to tell If your going to act like an a hole before you even enter.
I went to my first baseball game and I was stuck next to the bad drinker guy who though it was funny to yell names at the players he didnt like it got super old. I am so glad they killed smoking though its so gross to sit down at a table to see a nasty ash try full of butts makes me throw up. It doesn't matter what it is there will always be the one guy to screw it up for the rest of us.

dbag alert

[.Kevin.]

Originally Posted by severous01

i think youre wrong. lets give up our rights to have weapons, vote, and drive cars as well...lets see...people get in car accidents...so let's just save everyone's lives by not allowing anyone to drive. all because one kid can't hold his tongue??? no way...put his ass in jail where he belongs. and if he gets there a few more times...death. he deserves it for being a public nuisance.

hmmm...well, deer and bears have rights so lets not allow anyone to have a gun to shoot them...let's make it even more sporty and not allow knives too cuz heaven knows someone's gonna get some balls to go huntin and hell or high waters he's gonna kill something....so, now we have no guns, and no knives. so...how you gonna eat your steaks? oh wait...we're all vegetarians now because noone can kill anything.

wait it gets better...asprin has been known to cause stomach ulcers...lets ban acetamenephin.

power lines cause cancer...so lets ban electricity in all major areas.

mcdonnald's makes people fat and gives heart attacks in a bag...so they're banned too...but you can't ban just one so bye-bye burger king, taco bell, wendys', whataberger, jack in the box, subway, chilis, outback, chedars, ryan's, luby's, joe's crabshacks,


point is...where's it gonna stop? if you're an idiot and wanna drink and drive...get caught, lose your license once and then die the next time...i say any way.

sorry to be so hard, but attitudes so loose as to throw away our rights i worked for ... pisses me off. i'm a vet, and i may not agree with what you say but you cross the bounds when you start talking about taking liberties away because some idiot can't hold his liquor. i can...why should i be punished? i worked for my freedom...have you? i put in 6 years, 2 semi-wars, 8 months in the freakin desert, stayed away from my kids for 6 years cuz x-bitch couldnt handle a 'military lifestyle' and bailed...got screwed over when i left, cant find a jobs becuase noone wants a 'hired gun' in their stores or whatever. so you tell me if it's gonna stop at taking alcohol away from public places...no it's not. some idiot's gonna spout off...similar to what you're doing...and say that they dont like soda's cuz they make people fat and causes diabetes...yeah if you drink a 2 liter an hour...


sorry, got a little heated. i came back to edit but it's been done

Drinking and driving gets the person killed - even friends who are sober and other vehicles they hit .

Mcdonalds its YOU who shoves that burger in your own mouth.

Your comparison is completely way off this planet.

Good attempt though

[TLyttle]

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

[.Kevin.]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

It's hard to restrain with such .. impossible arguements makes me wanna just rip my hair out at some of the most oblivious comparisons.

I honestly think wellfare shouldnt get taken away, but it should not be handed out so easy. OH this person decided to let their life slip ! It's our duty to take care of them! Just like handing money to first nations etc not to be racist because its basically the same thing as wellfare.

Ridiculous but thats for another day. Apologies to any offenses I've made.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

Well, I'm glad the forefathers of America had the backbone not to lie down on their flanks with their tails tucked...guess the grit they showed then keeps us from giving our "pledge to the Queen" today. And I've also had a dealing or two...once when I was trying to get into Canada, to spend those nasty American tourist $$, the gentleman informed me that I'd have to pay to get in, and when I asked what the "fine" would be, he asked "How much money do you have?" ...wrong answer

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

Have to say that this post is disturbing.

You're basically saying that less freedom is superior. That socialism is better. And you're proud of that?

I happen to be proud not to have to pledge to a King or Queen.

Even though the left is quickly grabbing all of our freedoms in America, we are going to fight like hell to keep them.

Weapons aren't our first concern, freedom and liberty is.

[Kal-El]

Drinking will never be banned from bars and restaurants. Obviously that would mean abolishing bars.

But I can foresee the argument for banning alcohol at sporting events. Reason being is that public intoxication is already illegal and a stadium of 40,000 people seems pretty public to me. Kind of seems like a double sided rule. Also, a sporting event is filled with kids who may be surrounded by drunks. You don't find kids in bars.

But ultimately, I think the law would be another unnecessary piece of legislation that takes one more bite out of freedom. I personally hate alcohol but regardless, such a freedom shouldn't be taken away.

[frownonfun]

i think we should just ban alcohol out right. i think it would work. lol.

ok i'm kidding but really though i'm not sure why everyone is so bent on protecting a freedom that ultimately just ends up getting people killed. that's really all alcohol does. but this is a tough one to call for me.

on the one hand i feel like as long as the government is allowing you to do it in your own home then what's the harm in taking it away everywhere else? except bars maybe. but on the other hand would that really do anything to curb drinking and driving or people becoming unruly at events that would normally serve alcohol. i'm sure people would just get extremely lit at their houses first as a way to get around this and then go driving drunk to their event of choice. and if they don't kill someone along the way they'll show up and be that drunk jerk regardless.

idk. i definitely see where the OP is coming from but like i said it's a tough one to call for me.

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

i think we should just ban alcohol out right. i think it would work. lol.

ok i'm kidding but really though i'm not sure why everyone is so bent on protecting a freedom that ultimately just ends up getting people killed. that's really all alcohol does. but this is a tough one to call for me.

on the one hand i feel like as long as the government is allowing you to do it in your own home then what's the harm in taking it away everywhere else? except bars maybe. but on the other hand would that really do anything to curb drinking and driving or people becoming unruly at events that would normally serve alcohol. i'm sure people would just get extremely lit at their houses first as a way to get around this and then go driving drunk to their event of choice. and if they don't kill someone along the way they'll show up and be that drunk jerk regardless.

idk. i definitely see where the OP is coming from but like i said it's a tough one to call for me.

Doesn't seem like you are aware of Prohibition and the problems it caused.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibi..._United_States

It causes more problems to a society than having alcohol openly and legally available.


The key to preventing drunk driving is to increase the severity of punishment.

How often do you hear about people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th, ect...drunk driving arrest/accident? All the time, right? How is it that they get that many chances to kill someone?

IMO, your FIRST offense should make your life suck for quite a while.
Jail for 3-6 months, no license for at least 2 years.

Your second offense should put you in jail for over 2 years, maybe 3. No license for 5-7 years.

Strike 3 should render you without a license for 10-15 years, including maybe 5 years in prison. Harsh, but well deserved for such stupidity and putting others lives at risk.

If these reasonable punishments were enacted, how many drunk drivers would you see?

[frownonfun]

well the prohibition comment was a joke. i'm aware of how terribly that went. therein lies the joke. which is why i laugh at the prohibition on other drugs. because we are repeating history having not learned the first time.

i don't know why i type more than one line on a forum because i think that's all people are willing to read.

[chrisj]

I am personally not against alcohol at all, but I have problems with the way alcohol is displayed in ads on TV all day long that children see, and in every sports arena in the country, which I don't think should even be legal. However, there would be no sports arenas or probably no sports themselves without beer. Beer rules. Period.

My point in the beginning was to emphasize how lopsided the laws are and how lopsided peoples' attitudes are toward 2 bad things...tobacco and alcohol. While tobacco may do damage to you long-term, alcohol (in the hands of idiots) can kill or hurt a busload of schoolchildren (as happened here in Kentucky a few years ago).

I don't have a problem with drinking. I drink myself. I just think it's stupid to try and rationalize and be in denial about all the beer ads that are splattered everywhere, making it seem like you can't be "cool" without it. The kids see it, but people would rather ban a video game that supposedly warps kids' minds instead of even taking a look at what beer ads might do. This whole country is in denial about lots of things, alcohol being only one.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

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The key to preventing drunk driving is to increase the severity of punishment.

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And yet, even with the death penalty, people keep murdering people......

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

And yet, even with the death penalty, people keep murdering people......

Yup, unfortunately we will always have stupid people.

I think it comes down to most people believing that they will get away with the crime they are committing. And lets face it, we all get away with breaking petty everyday "crimes", whether that just means going 5 mph over the speed limit. If we lived under such a regime that would actually hook up our cars electronically to monitor speed, and if we passed the speed limit we'd get bills in the mail. Then I doubt many would speed at all.

If people believed that it was a 100% certainty that they'd get caught doing something illegal and have to face the penalty, then wow, we'd have a perfect society (assuming laws were legitimate). Unless the person felt so strongly about the crime that they felt it was worth spending the time in jail or even dying for.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

If we lived under such a regime that would actually hook up our cars electronically to monitor speed, and if we passed the speed limit we'd get bills in the mail.

Then all our cars would be linked together and we'd call it a "bus".
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[why?]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

Doesn't seem like you are aware of Prohibition and the problems it caused.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibi..._United_States

It causes more problems to a society than having alcohol openly and legally available.


The key to preventing drunk driving is to increase the severity of punishment.

How often do you hear about people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th, ect...drunk driving arrest/accident? All the time, right? How is it that they get that many chances to kill someone?

IMO, your FIRST offense should make your life suck for quite a while.
Jail for 3-6 months, no license for at least 2 years.

Your second offense should put you in jail for over 2 years, maybe 3. No license for 5-7 years.

Strike 3 should render you without a license for 10-15 years, including maybe 5 years in prison. Harsh, but well deserved for such stupidity and putting others lives at risk.

If these reasonable punishments were enacted, how many drunk drivers would you see?

Actually the only thing that would stop it is if the first offense you had your drivers license removed forever. Then anyone who did it once would not be able to do it again, and therefor would be off the road. The majority of dd are repeat offenders.

Originally Posted by chrisj

I am personally not against alcohol at all, but I have problems with the way alcohol is displayed in ads on TV all day long that children see, and in every sports arena in the country, which I don't think should even be legal. However, there would be no sports arenas or probably no sports themselves without beer. Beer rules. Period.

My point in the beginning was to emphasize how lopsided the laws are and how lopsided peoples' attitudes are toward 2 bad things...tobacco and alcohol. While tobacco may do damage to you long-term, alcohol (in the hands of idiots) can kill or hurt a busload of schoolchildren (as happened here in Kentucky a few years ago).

I don't have a problem with drinking. I drink myself. I just think it's stupid to try and rationalize and be in denial about all the beer ads that are splattered everywhere, making it seem like you can't be "cool" without it. The kids see it, but people would rather ban a video game that supposedly warps kids' minds instead of even taking a look at what beer ads might do. This whole country is in denial about lots of things, alcohol being only one.

There are a lot of stupid laws that we need to get rid off. Adding new stupid laws is not the solution.

Originally Posted by SailDesign

And yet, even with the death penalty, people keep murdering people......

Enforcement is needed here.Change the laws so they can only appeal once, and they must be put to death when convicted, not left alive 30 years. And jail needs to be made like it use to be, old school chain gains and hell on earth, not the cushy country club it is now. Prisoners have no rights, they should be treated like the slaves they are. Hard manual labor and being forced to do something at least to improve society.

[frownonfun]

i don't think you sway people to not do things with stiffer punishments. you do it through education and awareness. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. this also goes hand in hand with not glorifying beer on tv like ChrisJ is saying. you have to change people's attitudes on a larger scale about what is acceptable behavior and what is not. harsher punishments doesn't do anything imo.

and to think for a moment that taking someone's drivers license away will keep them off the road is just down right silly.

and chris i know exactly what you are saying about laws being bass-ackwards. it's like the seat belt law in texas that i guess is meant to save people's lives but yet driving a motorcycle without a helmet is perfectly legal. so i can get a ticket for not buckling my seat belt to go a block but can ride across the state without a helmet without issue. tell me how that's consistent?