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Old 11-17-2011, 11:58 PM   #37
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I did not need to put snow/winter tires on the last 3 cars I've owned (Corolla, Civic, Accord). All-seasons did the job for me, however for some strange reason with the Yaris snow tires are almost mandatory.

I don't quite know exactly why but it must have something to do with size/weight of this car.


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short wheel base and light weight. you should see a smart car in the snow LOL!!!
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:39 AM   #38
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alright, I am a Michelin fan, but I didn't get here by accident

8 vehicles I have owned myself, have driven about a hundred with all types of tires,
have settled on Michelins because they perform...period. When I go traveling to the Alps
(which I do every chance I get if I have the money) almost everyone up in the mountains with
work vehicles (small cars and vans) use Michelins...I wondered why,
and did some investigating and found out why...

This is my other rig, shod with Michelin LTX M/S, on top of my driveway,
which is 1 mile from the road and up rock ledges and through 2 ponds,
just to park in this spot. These Michelins (3rd set on this 4runner)have never let me down
in winter, nor climbing up to the cabin where it is parked here.

have used and tried dozens and dozens of other tires brands and types
(friends cars, my own, rentals in all conditions...) over the years and
Michelin remain the consistent, no-guess, rock solid, long lasting and safe
tire of all time. that is my personal experience. I find what suits me and
I end up sticking with it after years of seeing other inferior tires, that may have
some things better than Michelin, but often the things that matter are worse.
Those are: tire wear, and resistance to deformation from potholes and edge-hits.
Plus, they grip darn good and resist hydroplaning.

Your mileage and experience may vary, but I would rather be comfortable knowing
I threw the extra cash for Michelins...they have never disappointed me, whereas
other tires disappoint. Again, for my style of driving, which is up tote roads, lots
of highway in 4 seasons New England, and running around short steep roads around town.

anywho...all top tires are good tires. Michelin spends a lot on research, and the tires perform.
I also know a bit about Michelin motorcycle racing tires and the research that goes into
the rubber compounds and millions and millions spent on failed rubber formulas to find the
right ones...
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:19 AM   #39
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ps: those tires ^ have +44,000 miles on them in the pic. Puffy highway miles, and harsh offroad miles, and that tread is still saying 'bring it on'.

those skid marks on the sidewall are not mud, that is dirt and lichens scraped from the side of rocks the whole damn trip up. sidewalls are unaffected after 2 years of this. and these are your mom+pop SUV Michelin M+S. as I said, I find that Michelin just friggin perform, no guesswork.

find me another tire... a mom+pop M+S and can take a beatdown like that and not develop even one warp, bubble, out-of-balance, out-of-round, or crack in sidewall or treadblock after 44,000 miles.

Michelin Xice Xi2 ...entry level tire...hmmmm?

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Old 11-22-2011, 10:59 PM   #40
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Michelin Xice Xi2 ...entry level tire...hmmmm?
here you go! straight from the horses mouth....
and dont take a chev into your cabin lol :p
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Old 11-28-2011, 01:26 AM   #41
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Just got back inside from a hairy drive from Edmonton to Calgary (~300kms). Slushy roads, blowing snow with 150km/h gusts, and they Yaris took it like a champ!

My Goodyear Nordics found the grooves, then rode them like rails the whole way.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:54 AM   #42
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oh THAT chart. from corporate. hence, margins....

that is fine, it means don't care about cornering speeds....just a tire that grips
snow and ice as it's primary function

it doesn't mean entry level in the sense that it is a tire built
with any snow grip compromises...or Michelin 1st time making a
snow tire...the xice has loads of research into it

most tire mfg do not make as many -performance- snow tires as Michelin.
the performance snow tires are not usually rated and surveyed in -most- snow tire
comparisons. for most snow tire reviews and this vs that tire, the Xice more than
holds it's own against Nokian, Goodyear, Bridgestone, continental...each one
has one thing it does well, and something it sucks at. Michelin grips ice and snow
very well, and lasts a long time, but sucks at hydroplaning. Michelin performance
snow tires shown in the chart all do not do as well as the xice in pure ice and snow grip,
but they are hella at cornering and applying horsepower to the road, and also good at profit
margins in the pocket of tire dealers.

if I was up in the great white north I'd be on Nokians or Blizzaks. But I am not, I am
going to be on dry highway for 75% of the miles, and steep steep hills covered in snow
the rest of the time. hence, xice.

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Old 11-28-2011, 10:21 AM   #43
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I think the best way to put it, is this blurb

Get snow tires appropriate to your climate and driving style. If you don't see much snow during the winter, and you like to drive/corner fast on cold, dry roads then look into the H-rated or V-rated high performance snow tires...

These are not the 'entry level' tires

If your area gets heavier snow, you are often driving on packed snow and ice, or if you are willing to give up some dry grip and steering response for maximum safe winter traction then look into a more aggressive snow tire like the Blizzak WS-60, Michelin XIce XI2 or Dunlop Graspic DS-2.

These are considered the 'entry level' tires.

Winter tires like these will offer the best in snow and ice traction, but will give up some dry road responsiveness over an H/V rated snow tires to get it. These two categories are is mostly a personal preference choice for the tradeoff between snow traction versus dry road handling.

example of 2 types of Michelin or tire terminology and the word -entry-:

a) marketing/margins/profits

Michelin marketing speak (the document you photographed)
Xice Xi2 = entry

b) and here is another quote from Michelin about the Xice XI2 tire about actual usage:

Xice Xi2 = Our Best Extreme Winter Tire for Passenger Vehicles.

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Old 11-28-2011, 09:55 PM   #44
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Just got back inside from a hairy drive from Edmonton to Calgary (~300kms). Slushy roads, blowing snow with 150km/h gusts, and they Yaris took it like a champ!

My Goodyear Nordics found the grooves, then rode them like rails the whole way.
those gusts! lol, that was fun wasnt it!
how many Calgary guys do we have on these boards?
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:06 PM   #45
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those gusts! lol, that was fun wasnt it!
how many Calgary guys do we have on these boards?
We had 5-6 people meet up in September iirc.
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:07 PM   #46
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We had 5-6 people meet up in September iirc.
That's better than i thought!
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:47 AM   #47
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what is snow? Go south young man.
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