Cranky's 2ZR-FE swap

[ArmstrongRacing]

Wow! So much awesome information here!

[ArmstrongRacing]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lange

Yeah, the ZSP90 Yaris (factory 2ZR-equipped Yaris) used the same shift cables as the xD, so the xD cables were the proper ones to use. The NCP Yaris cables are shorter for sure.

Jeff

This is not applicable to those just swapping in the 2zr and keeping the Yaris C50. If you use the Yaris trans and mounts, the stock shift cables are fine.

[Jeff Lange]

Originally Posted by ArmstrongRacing

This is not applicable to those just swapping in the 2zr and keeping the Yaris C50. If you use the Yaris trans and mounts, the stock shift cables are fine.

It is applicable if using the 2ZR mounts, even if keeping the Yaris C50. Obviously if you keep using the 1NZ mounts the transmission will still be in the correct location to keep using the original cables.

Jeff

[ArmstrongRacing]

^ There is no need to use Xd mounts on a Yaris C50 trans in the first place. Let's not complicate this, people may get confused if this keeps getting mentioned...

If you have a:

Yaris sedan trans- Use Yaris mounts, (AT driver trans mount). Yaris shift cables. Yaris axles

Xd trans- Use Xd mounts. Xd Shift cables. Xd Axles

[Jeff Lange]

If you use the 2ZR RH mounting bracketry though, I would think it would strain the mounts and/or the engine will not be mounted completely in line with the axle center. I don't think using the Yaris mounts on the Yaris C50 is the best idea.

If the 2ZR sits further forward in the engine bay (which it does), using the 1NZ C50 mounts will keep the transmission side (3 mounts) in the original location, but the RH mount on the timing cover will want to push the engine forward. Unless you modified that or used the 2ZR transmission mounts and cable, it seems best not to mix and match, but I don't know how off it would actually be.

Jeff

[ArmstrongRacing]

OMG here we go....

[ArmstrongRacing]

They seem to have the same measurements

[froger]

Yo have use all three XD mounts for the swap ,if you just try to use the one XD Rh mount for the engine it puts just the engine lower ,So your engine and transmission will sit crooked. The Xd mounts are longer by couple inches and the lower middle stabilizer mount is longer as well.The lower middle stabilizer mount pushes the bottom part of the engine forward so the oil filter assembly clears the sub frame.All this is so that the 2zr engine sits lower because its taller.(You have to use all three mounts in order for the engine to sit right).
You can stretch the yaris shift cables to fit but it will end up ripping out the studs that hold the cables to the body.Use Xd mounts and Xd cables with the yaris c50 transmission, trust me the other combinations won't work properly.

[ArmstrongRacing]

Can you guys provide pictures of your Xd mounts and how your engine is "sitting"....Ill provide pictures of mine with Yaris mounts to compare and we can put this discussion to rest

[Jeff Lange]

LH in photo is 1NZ Yaris C50 mount, RH is 2ZR xD/Yaris C5x mount. You can visibly see the difference in the mounts. The transmission with the 2ZR sits lower/forward of where the 1NZ does.



Is your swap a manual or an automatic?

Jeff

[Jeff Lange]

Toyota's diagrams also show the difference between the two mounts:



Jeff

[Jeff Lange]

I had already posted, but I think because I had linked to the images on another server it was moderating my posts? Not sure. I'll try uploading them to my server instead?

The RH mount is the Yaris 1NZ/C50 mount, the LH is the Yaris/xD 2ZR/C5x mount. You can see the difference in the mounts and how the 2ZR mount will move the transmission/engine primarily downward and a bit forward. The diagrams from Toyota show the same thing.

Was your swap an auto or a manual?




Jeff

[Jeff Lange]

I posted some pictures and info, seems like my posts with pictures are being moderated, so they will need to be approved before they can be seen.

Jeff

[WeeYari]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lange

I posted some pictures and info, seems like my posts with pictures are being moderated, so they will need to be approved before they can be seen.

Jeff

Do a bit of post whoring. I think the magic number is 10 posts, then you can put pictures up for public consumption.

[Jeff Lange]

Interesting, well until the posts pop up, I'll just post a couple of links to be pics:

http://jeff.epicwelding.com/yaris_mounts1.jpg
http://jeff.epicwelding.com/yaris_mounts2.jpg

Jeff

[froger]

TOYOTA PART NUMBERS FOR TRANSMISSION CASE
2011 XD
MIDDLE CASE 33111-12260
BELL HOUSING 31105-52060
END CAP CASE 33102-52020
2011 YARIS
MIDDLE CASE 33111-12260
BELL HOUSING 31105-52060
END CAP CASE 33102-12021
END CAP PIECES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE XD TRANSMISSION MOUNT ALSO BOLTS TO THE SIDE OF THE TRANS MISSION.

The photos bellow are of Xd and Yaris mounts. Xd on the left and Yaris on the right and at the very bottom is a zoom up of the offset of the mount , Xd first,Yaris second.The height difference minimal but the engine seemed to be pushed forward by a bit .

[ArmstrongRacing]

Thanks for posting these!

So what I'm seeing here is that the LH Xd mount is different because of a difference in the two transmission end cases right? I find it strange that the main trans case is not different when the Xd has a larger differential and axles....and the pitch-stop mount being a bit longer is only pivoting the bottom of the trans away from the subframe(probably for clearance of the larger axles).

I still feel that you should use the mounts that go with your specific transmission, but it's your car...feel free to do what you want.

My car has been through 6 races so far, much more stress than any daily driver, I'll let you guys know if something breaks.

[froger]

Let's just agree both ways work , you thought my way didn't work and I thought your way didn't work,we both proved each other wrong.
I too will let everyone know if I have any problems with my car ,after all this information is for the engine swaps to come.

Daily driven and raced since the summer 2014.