Toyota Yaris Forums - Ultimate Yaris Enthusiast Site
 

 


 
Go Back   Toyota Yaris Forums - Ultimate Yaris Enthusiast Site > Second Generation Toyota Yaris Main Rooms > General Yaris / Vitz Discussion
  The Tire Rack

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-20-2011, 09:22 AM   #19
10peep
 
10peep's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 3D LB 5spd
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: VA
Posts: 28
WOW!!! I figured that I would be the only one on here opposed to ABS. You'll be fine. My 2002 Tacoma doesnt have it and I regularly tow with it etc. Plus, in the snow I feel MUCH more in control of my breaking. I hate to disagree with whomever said that it would bring a higher resale value but I dont totally agree with that. Most car buyers nowadays arent like us. They dont care about anything but what theyve got to pay every month. The car could come without a windshield and they wouldnt even notice. Not to mention, if it were really that big of a safety asset (instead of a government mandate) do you really think that Toyota would once again want to throw their a$$ on the line and be viewed as a manufacturer of "unsafe" automobiles? I almost believe that this car is too light for ABS anyway, once the dry straight line pavement disappears anyway.
__________________
10peep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2011, 11:08 AM   #20
RedRide
 
RedRide's Avatar
 
Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Middletown, NY
Posts: 1,500
FWIW......
The Yaris ABS do no prevent the bakes from locking up or hinder the braking in anyway.

They simply just only allow the bakes to be locked up intemitantly.

So, if you never want the brakes to lock up and drive acordingly, you will never know you have ABS. There is absolutly no pedal pulsating, etc.

Saying you would never need ABS is like saying you will never need seat belts, air bags, power steering, bumpers, etc because you are a good driver.
No one can control road conditions or other drivers on the road.

I'm a "stick and rudder" type driver and never liked ABS but, the ABS on the Yaris is a non issue for me.
RedRide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2011, 12:25 PM   #21
Flipper_1938
 
Flipper_1938's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 527
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRide View Post
FWIW......
The Yaris ABS do no prevent the bakes from locking up or hinder the braking in anyway.

They simply just only allow the bakes to be locked up intemitantly.

So, if you never want the brakes to lock up and drive acordingly, you will never know you have ABS. There is absolutly no pedal pulsating, etc.

Saying you would never need ABS is like saying you will never need seat belts, air bags, power steering, bumpers, etc because you are a good driver.
No one can control road conditions or other drivers on the road.

I'm a "stick and rudder" type driver and never liked ABS but, the ABS on the Yaris is a non issue for me.
Based on your comments, you have never experienced the yaris ABS do its thing.

IT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY HINDER THE BRAKING AND THE BRAKE PEDAL DOES PULSATE/PUSH BACK.
Flipper_1938 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2011, 02:44 PM   #22
RedRide
 
RedRide's Avatar
 
Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Middletown, NY
Posts: 1,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flipper_1938 View Post
Based on your comments, you have never experienced the yaris ABS do its thing.

IT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY HINDER THE BRAKING AND THE BRAKE PEDAL DOES PULSATE/PUSH BACK.
My pedal does not pulsate all.
Yes, I have definately initiated the ABS a few times to check them out and have fully experience their function.

Yes, it hinders your braking in the respect that it prevents brakes from locking up steadily.

I don't drive routinely to puposely lock up my brakes.
If one desire a car to track, then perhaps a Yaris is a bad choice to begin with.
RedRide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2011, 06:36 PM   #23
Flipper_1938
 
Flipper_1938's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 527
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRide View Post
My pedal does not pulsate all.
Yes, I have definately initiated the ABS a few times to check them out and have fully experience their function.

Yes, it hinders your braking in the respect that it prevents brakes from locking up steadily.

I don't drive routinely to puposely lock up my brakes.
If one desire a car to track, then perhaps a Yaris is a bad choice to begin with.
I don't abuse my car either.

In low traction situations (snow or ice), it is awful. That is the only condition where has been an issue....but it has been a bad enough of a problem that I would avoid buying another Yaris with ABS if I had to replace my current car.
Flipper_1938 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 09:52 AM   #24
bronsin
 
bronsin's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: nj
Posts: 4,790
My 09 makes a cracking sound at the wheels when the ABS deploys. The pedal does vibrate some also. I wouldnt call it pulsing.
bronsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 03:13 PM   #25
RedRide
 
RedRide's Avatar
 
Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Middletown, NY
Posts: 1,500
I'm a bit confused when some say that their brake pedels pulsate, etc when mine doesn't exhibit any of these problems.
Perhaps some have ABS that is not working properly?

BTW......when the ABS brakes do lock up, they will intermittently unlock and lock a few times a second and maby this is what some are interpeting as "pedel pulsating".
RedRide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 05:31 PM   #26
10peep
 
10peep's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 3D LB 5spd
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: VA
Posts: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRide View Post
..........some say that their brake pedels pulsate, etc when mine doesn't exhibit any of these problems.
Perhaps some have ABS that is not working properly?........
Lol, on every single vehicle that Ive ever owned with ABS (Ive owned 28 vehicles in the last 4 years, MOST of them with ABS), the pedal pulsates when ABS engages. Heres a couple SMALL excerpts from articles that I found on the subject...

"Expect noise and vibration in the brake pedal when your anti-lock brakes are in use. These sensations tell you the ABS system is working properly."

"ABS - Antilocking Braking System prevents the wheels from locking causing the vehicle to either slide or skid out. The system pulsates the pads or shoes of the brakes providing the wheels to still rotate at a slowing rate, maintaining traction and steering control during hard braking.
During hard braking the break pedal with pulsate rapidly - that is the ABS activating. Just keep firm pressure on the pedal and the car with stop in an reasonable stopping distance."

Etc...it goes on and on and on. Not trying to be a jerk, but perhaps it is YOU that have ABS that is not functioning properly, lol.
__________________
10peep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 06:09 PM   #27
RedRide
 
RedRide's Avatar
 
Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Middletown, NY
Posts: 1,500
^^^^

Quote:
......(Ive owned 28 vehicles in the last 4 years, MOST of them with ABS), the pedal pulsates .........
Yeah, most but, not all.
RedRide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 06:40 PM   #28
Yaristeve
 
Drives: 3-door hatch
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 519
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRide View Post
^^^^



Yeah, most but, not all.
I think he meant most of his cars had ABS but all of his cars that did have ABS had pulsating brakes. Early ABS systems were horrible; the brake pedal would actually bounce up and down noticeably. New systems now just cause the pedal to buzz or vibrate.
Yaristeve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 08:03 PM   #29
10peep
 
10peep's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 3D LB 5spd
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: VA
Posts: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaristeve View Post
I think he meant most of his cars had ABS but all of his cars that did have ABS had pulsating brakes. Early ABS systems were horrible; the brake pedal would actually bounce up and down noticeably. New systems now just cause the pedal to buzz or vibrate.
^^^
__________________
10peep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 10:07 PM   #30
Slummy
 
Slummy's Avatar
 
Drives: Black LB
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: D.C.
Posts: 249
If I had it to do over I would opt to not have ABS.
It's not the function that bothers me, it's the problems that may crop up. The last two winters my ABS and break light have come on after heavy snows. The day after the light came on it went off, but from what I've read it's a pricey fix.
Slummy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 04:28 AM   #31
Blue Y job
 
Blue Y job's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 Blue Yaris Hatch
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Placerville
Posts: 32
ABS is great. But only if you have great ABS. If it's really crude and comes in too early, then it's not desireable, if it's well designed then it's an aid to your driving fun. At least from my experience. But my Yari doesn't have ABS, even though I would have preferred it, but it's not a dealbreaker.
Blue Y job is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 04:54 AM   #32
Mikeey01nzl
91octane $2.24nzd / litre
 
Mikeey01nzl's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 5d 1.3 CVT
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 21
I think ABS is an important safety feature.

The Vitz is my wifes daily driver, drop kids off to the schools and work etc.
With ABS in ours I have some confidence when she panic brakes she might stand a fighting chance of swerveing to avoid something.
__________________
Mikeey01nzl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 05:07 AM   #33
Blue Y job
 
Blue Y job's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 Blue Yaris Hatch
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Placerville
Posts: 32
Exactly. That's what ABS is about, helping the average driver. And if it's well designed, it can help out the sporting driver, unless he/she is hardcore, I want to to everything myself.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Blue Y job is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 07:47 AM   #34
Flipper_1938
 
Flipper_1938's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 527
Under most conditions it is a great idea. On slick roads, it makes the car almost undriveable and is downright dangerous when ABS prematurely activates.

My Echo was great in the snow; it would go anywhere. The Yaris needs to be parked until EVERYTHING melts.
Flipper_1938 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 12:13 PM   #35
Yaristeve
 
Drives: 3-door hatch
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 519
Slummy: "Pricey" is right. The ABS actuator failed on my mom's 1995 Accord. $1,000 to replace and this was a relatively unsophisticated system.

Blue Y: I disagree that ABS adds to the driving fun. I've posted in another thread how the ABS in my 2004 IS300 killed my perfectly balanced braking. The tires were humming at max threshold when all of a sudden the ABS kicked in and reduced the braking force (felt the front end come up). ABS may be good in uneven traction situations, but it sucks in the dry for sure and probably in the rain as well.

I am a little undecided about ABS in a FF car, though. With so much weight up front and even more weight due to weight transfer under heavy braking, it might be a good idea for the rears...
Yaristeve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 01:14 PM   #36
carnageehw
 
Drives: 2010 Fusion Hybrid
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 88
I'm a driving instructor, and I can promise you that in my 113,000 kms I've braked more with the ABS on than anyone else here. In fact, with every student we practice slamming on the brakes at 60 and 80 kms/hour. That's a LOT of braking.

A few things:

The Pedal WILL PULSATE back at you when you slam on the brakes. But so what? It's not a big deal when you know what that what the ABS does.

In good conditions the abs will only come on with hard braking at about 60km/h, or 40-ishmph. Drive well and you likely never need the abs to come on.

In the snow, I can see ABS being annoying. ABS brakes won't work as well on loose surfaces, and the extra control might be nice.

Other than that one area, I wouldn't want a car without ABS. They work great and studies show they stop you sooner on a dry road. Yes, you can pulse your brakes (threashold braking) but in a real emergency, I'd rather focus on where I need to move the car to and not waste time and energy thinking about not locking the brakes.

I don't really think ABD is a "nanny" any more than power steering is a "nanny".
carnageehw is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NEWS: TOYOTA REVEALS ALL-NEW YARIS SEDAN AT 2006 LOS ANGELES AUTO SHOW VitzBoy General Yaris / Vitz Discussion 7 09-20-2023 07:50 AM
2007 Yaris Pricing Info ! YarisBueller New YARIS Purchase Forum 104 06-24-2009 04:54 PM
Why you should buy a Yaris. justoneyaris New YARIS Purchase Forum 9 11-02-2008 02:05 PM
Would Americans Buy a Diesel Yaris? Would it Sell Well in North America? gabagooo General Yaris / Vitz Discussion 23 12-11-2006 09:51 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:09 PM.




YarisWorld
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.