2011 Toyota Yaris Hybrid

[ka0sx]

Originally Posted by roxy1

id rather have them concentrate their efforts on making gas engine cars lighter and more efficient and bringing us some truly high mileage deisel vehicles.

If the government released back the patents of the turbine drive that it bought from Chrysler in the 70's hybrids would actually be a good thing. The Chrysler turbine drive put down 400 hp in the high end and still got 28mpg, but had issues with slow take off as it lacked torque in the low end. However this system with the advances in turbine technology will push 39-46mpg on a 200hp turbine, with a hybrid transmission synergy system you eliminate the no torque at low end problem as electric motors have max. torque at the low end the added benefit of it being a hybrid system is it would be pushing 60mpg depending on which fuel you decide to pump and quite more on a light car such as something weighing 2400lbs and not 4000lbs like what the engine was originally in. These turbine systems had the benefits of being efficient, low polluting, did not need much oil, maintenance free, and could burn any combustible liquid as fuel (diesel, gasoline, whiskey...)

[roxy1]

the Polo is coming here

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090116....ding-to-the-us

the quesdtion is: which version will we get. i love the looks of the new polo and will be all over it if the mileage , price, and warranty are acceptable. that's a big if.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by supmet

Increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg or from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as increasing the mileage of a 60 mpg car to a trillion mpg.

Same gas savings for going from 5 to 5.4545 as well. Diminishing returns are a bitch

:D

thats why i have trouble getting excited over 40-50-60 mpg cars. it just wont make much difference from the 40 mpg a yaris can do now. i'll get excited when we can produce reasonably affordable vehicles that require no gasoline.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

the Polo is coming here

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090116....ding-to-the-us

the quesdtion is: which version will we get. i love the looks of the new polo and will be all over it if the mileage , price, and warranty are acceptable. that's a big if.

That's it. I'm not excited about the new Polo until I see pulling of the same numbers as the one current in Europe. VW has confirmed that the US version of the Polo will be in sedan and 5 door form, longer wheelbase and higher roofline. That the Polo in Europe is too small for Americans. hopefully they don't think Canadians are too fat for the real Polo either, even though we are just as fat as the US.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

thats why i have trouble getting excited over 40-50-60 mpg cars. it just wont make much difference from the 40 mpg a yaris can do now. i'll get excited when we can produce reasonably affordable vehicles that require no gasoline.

If I could go from 50 to 80 US mpg I would save $2 a day in gas and have to fill in gas every 13 days vs every 9. Those are significant numbers for me.

[Pars]

Originally Posted by voodoo22

That's it. I'm not excited about the new Polo until I see pulling of the same numbers as the one current in Europe. VW has confirmed that the US version of the Polo will be in sedan and 5 door form, longer wheelbase and higher roofline. That the Polo in Europe is too small for Americans. hopefully they don't think Canadians are too fat for the real Polo either, even though we are just as fat as the US.

If the Polo is standard with the diesel engine, it should be able to pull a fatter version of itself and still return the good consumption.

If the Polo can do 45mpg, it'll probably match CRZ's consumption, but the real test would be at the lights and the quickest around the turns. In which case, it'll need the euro version to even stand a chance.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by voodoo22

If I could go from 50 to 80 US mpg I would save $2 a day in gas and have to fill in gas every 13 days vs every 9. Those are significant numbers for me.

for every 10,000 miles, 50 mpg=200 gallons needed=$400
for every 10,000 miles, 80 mpg=125 gallons needed=$250

so, every 10,000 miles saves $150

to save $2/day in gas, you would have to drive 10,000 miles every 2 1/2 months ($2/day x75 days=$150), which means you drive 48,000 miles per year. most people arent putting anywhere near that kind of mileage their cars. for those that do, yeah, it could make a difference.

...and taking that 80 mpg vehicle another 30 mpg to 110 mpg would require 90.9 gallons, saving only $68 every 10000 miles. as was said, diminishing returns are a bitch.

[Bredayaris]

If u consider to buy a VW in the future you have to calculate a lot of reparationcosts also off course.
The boring looks of a Polo and carnival lights in the dash or a bad electrical system wich alow you to go to your VW dealer every month is standard too.
Oh did i mention the price of a average VW is way to high and the standard equipment is embarassing.

I hope for u that there is not only a hybrid Yaris coming but also a diesel Yaris.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by Bredayaris

If u consider to buy a VW in the future you have to calculate a lot of reparationcosts also off course.
The boring looks of a Polo and carnival lights in the dash or a bad electrical system wich alow you to go to your VW dealer every month is standard too.
Oh did i mention the price of a average VW is way to high and the standard equipment is embarassing.

I hope for u that there is not only a hybrid Yaris coming but also a diesel Yaris.

diesel would be a better answer than hybrids, imo, since hybrids are only a bridge to other forms of locomotion. i will more likely lean toward the new Fiesta or next gen yaris.

for me to buy a VW Polo (or any VW for that matter, VW would have to stand behind it with a very long, comprehensive warranty.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

for every 10,000 miles, 50 mpg=200 gallons needed=$400
for every 10,000 miles, 80 mpg=125 gallons needed=$250

so, every 10,000 miles saves $150

to save $2/day in gas, you would have to drive 10,000 miles every 2 1/2 months ($2/day x75 days=$150), which means you drive 48,000 miles per year. most people arent putting anywhere near that kind of mileage their cars. for those that do, yeah, it could make a difference.

...and taking that 80 mpg vehicle another 30 mpg to 110 mpg would require 90.9 gallons, saving only $68 every 10000 miles. as was said, diminishing returns are a bitch.

You're applying American prices to a Canadian.

I use about 5 litres of gas a day.

going from 4.7l/100km to 2.9l/100km would reduce my daily cost of gas by close to $2 a day at current gas prices and by over $2 a day when the prices return to last summers highs that would be well over $2 a day.

50-80mpg might be not be significant enough for people in the US, but for many people in Canada and places like Europe, it's very significant.

The problem here isn't that it isn't significant enough of a return, the problem is that gas is too cheap in the US and that's a problem I cannot relate to.

**andI forgot that next July the Ontario Government is going to be adding the 8% provincial tax to gas, so that will make this change even more significant**

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by voodoo22

You're applying American prices to a Canadian.

I use about 5 litres of gas a day.

going from 4.7l/100km to 2.9l/100km would reduce my daily cost of gas by close to $2 a day at current gas prices and by over $2 a day when the prices return to last summers highs that would be well over $2 a day.

50-80mpg might be not be significant enough for people in the US, but for many people in Canada and places like Europe, it's very significant.

The problem here isn't that it isn't significant enough of a return, the problem is that gas is too cheap in the US and that's a problem I cannot relate to.

**andI forgot that next July the Ontario Government is going to be adding the 8% provincial tax to gas, so that will make this change even more significant**

of course, it would be a nice problem to have if we could be worried about getting ONLY 50 mpg.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by roxy1

of course, it would be a nice problem to have if we could be worried about getting ONLY 50 mpg.

touche